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posted May 01, 2003 10:57 PM |
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Yet another stereotype. The Balkans are not different than the rest of Europe in that way. Or the rest of the world, for that matter.
Did I say they were? no. Did I point to other examples like Northern Ireland? Yes. Read again, this time pay attention, at no point did I mention that this was solely a balkan thing.
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What's this got to do with the war crimes discussion? I cannot see the link between liberating war criminals and reaching peace? On the contrary, they must be prosecuted for the sake of lasting peace.
It's really quite simple, basically these generals are usually quite powerful with a lot of influence politically in their respective countries. You can TRY to bring them to justice, but good luck frankly, at some point you have to accept that at the end of wars people WILL forget such crimes if the people are either to powerful to remove or too usefull to the country/the countries politicians they are in. Look at America post WWII, Verhner Von Braun, Klaus Barbie etc. It's a shamefull fact of life and war that at the end these people escape justice. People will tolerate them if they are usefull, simple as that.
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This isn't the matter of seeing both sides of the coin, PH. This is about supporting war crimes
Ohhh no, won't pin that on me, I'm trying to say tough, you won't, or are unlikely to bring these people to trial, I never said they weren't guilty, and I NEVER supported their actions. I just was pointing out the simple reality. Post wars people get shafted by politicians and peacemakers and you'll never escape such things.
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Oh boy, are you wrong here
Oh really, want me to list some german Gestapo officers given jobs in America after WWII, or Industrialists given jobs in Britain after WWII?
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Again, I am a Serb who says that all war criminals must be prosecuted.
And I'm saying, lovely dream, utterly unrealistic, it simply WILL NOT HAPPEN. Want a recent example? Take Tariq Aziz, former 2nd in command of Iraq. The british want to use british and american TAX PAYERS MONEY to give this guy a big house and security so he can tell us all his little secrets. You think he might ever come to trial? Please, you need to accept the world as it IS not as you want it to be. Of course war criminals SHOULD be prosecuted, but the simple fact is they won't.
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On the contrary. But that general, just like many others, was wanted by an international court of justice. European officials remind the Croat authoroties every month to arrest them. However, due to the nationalists who started and waged the war, justice has not been served.
Of course it won't, they serve a purpose in those countries and unless you threaten each with realistic force they'll probably never hand them over until they run out of uses for them. Happens the world over, has happened for thousands of years, will continue to happen for thousands of years. You can either live with it and accept it or try to bring them to justice through other means. Be unlikely to work though.
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posted May 02, 2003 11:56 AM |
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It's really quite simple, basically these generals are usually quite powerful with a lot of influence politically in their respective countries. You can TRY to bring them to justice, but good luck frankly, at some point you have to accept that at the end of wars people WILL forget such crimes if the people are either to powerful to remove or too usefull to the country/the countries politicians they are in.
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If Serbia was able to arrest and hand in Milosevic, I cannot see why some lower Croat general is allowed to escape justice.
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Ohhh no, won't pin that on me
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Nah, I didn't say YOU supported war crimes. I wanted to say that was the topic of this discussion. Can a murderer be freed because he is a hero for some people? Your point is I'm being unrealistic. Again, Milosevic is in the Hague.
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"Oh boy, are you wrong here"
Oh really...?
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I was thinking of myself there. I do not have selective memory.
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posted May 02, 2003 01:50 PM |
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If Serbia was able to arrest and hand in Milosevic, I cannot see why some lower Croat general is allowed to escape justice.
He fell from power after the bombing of his forces and a revolution etc. I don't think the US and UK are going to do that every time they wish to arrest some war criminal. That's totally different circumstances. Unless you suggest that revolutions etc is the way to go?
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I was thinking of myself there. I do not have selective memory.
You're one person, countries and politicians as a whole have VERY selective memories.
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posted May 02, 2003 05:19 PM |
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He fell from power after the bombing of his forces and a revolution etc. I don't think the US and UK are going to do that every time they wish to arrest some war criminal. That's totally different circumstances. Unless you suggest that revolutions etc is the way to go?
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The democrat opposition has already won in Croatia and the nationalists are no longer in power. No excuses! And certainly no need for a revolution there.
By the way, no - I am not for revolutions, unless they are the only means.
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posted May 02, 2003 06:32 PM |
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The democrat opposition has already won in Croatia and the nationalists are no longer in power. No excuses! And certainly no need for a revolution there.
So why was he still there? I commend the attitude of trying to get these people, but at best you'll only ever get a few of them. It's a sad fact of the world.
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posted May 03, 2003 11:27 PM |
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first of all i am pleased that this theme had so much fans
no and Bobetko wasn't a some lover general he was an 1 general in Croatian army.
under him was Norac and Gotovina (Norac had been captured)
Bobetko also was an antifasist general in JNA in WWII
so i think that he must not been charged as war criminal.
but everybody has his own opinion.
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