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posted August 26, 2003 03:13 AM |
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Interesting if slightly one-sided and blinkered article at times...
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posted August 26, 2003 03:23 AM |
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You think your on par with us? Wait until you see the Land Warrior we've got coming in 2005.
...by being technologicaly even doesn't mean that you have thnigs that will lead to armagedon...it isn't measured like that Aqua, and as for the Land Warrior i think that it is a waste of money, good money that could go into research funds or development money for 3rd world coutries...but as the US goverment is a war-hawkish one, no wonder...
Its not our responsibility to give money to anyone. We don't have to give away perfectly good money that could make our lives easier. We do third-world a FAVOR by donating. And would you prefer that Huessein still be in power? While we're slightly "war-hawkish" we have done a great deed by removing Huessein and the Taliban.
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posted August 26, 2003 03:25 AM |
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Let us hope those that take over from them are better shall we before we decide on the merits or otherwise.
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posted August 26, 2003 03:27 AM |
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The guys who replaced are OK. And ANYONE would be better than those Psychos. Same goes for Saddam.
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posted August 26, 2003 03:31 AM |
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The Northern Alliance? OK is not a term I would use to describe such a force...
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posted August 26, 2003 04:01 AM |
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The Northern Alliance isn't in charge of Afghanistan, I thought someone like you would keep up on things like this before you try to discuss them.
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posted August 26, 2003 08:09 AM |
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You think your on par with us? Wait until you see the Land Warrior we've got coming in 2005.
...by being technologicaly even doesn't mean that you have thnigs that will lead to armagedon...it isn't measured like that Aqua, and as for the Land Warrior i think that it is a waste of money, good money that could go into research funds or development money for 3rd world coutries...but as the US goverment is a war-hawkish one, no wonder...
Its not our responsibility to give money to anyone. We don't have to give away perfectly good money that could make our lives easier. We do third-world a FAVOR by donating. And would you prefer that Huessein still be in power? While we're slightly "war-hawkish" we have done a great deed by removing Huessein and the Taliban.
Suddenly of all ur saving the world, i see, first you help them to power and then you remove them an interesting strategy, no wonder noone like the us foreign policy.
Ur right ur not responsible to help anyone, why yes you can let them all die from AIDS or Ebola, why should you care that there are hundred milion people suffering. Sure u don't have to help them you can just spend money on invenitng so that YOUR asses live confortably, and there are childern suffering from hunger dehydration, sicknesses...no the money will go on a project for a usseless machine. I'm sorry but that's just twisted! Sick and dissgusting.
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posted August 26, 2003 09:34 AM |
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How much have you the ppl contributed?
I contribute to animals 
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posted August 26, 2003 01:36 PM |
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The Northern Alliance isn't in charge of Afghanistan, I thought someone like you would keep up on things like this before you try to discuss them.
I didn't say they were if you'd paid attention. Merely backing such cut-throats during the war doesn't give hope for the future of the country though if we allow such a group even a say within the future when they are no different in barbarity than their Taliban opponents.
Oh and btw, Northern Alliance members sit on Afghanistans Cabinet, one of them is a Vice President.
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posted August 26, 2003 02:18 PM |
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Sorry Hudson but I really have to disagree with you 100% on that one.
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posted August 26, 2003 02:51 PM |
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You believe the Alliance to be good people? You think the barbarity, violence and murder is only the result of the Taliban now? You think warlords who spent 20 years fighting and murdering are simply going to sit down and be nice, democratic people now?
I say we wait and see before making such judgements
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posted August 26, 2003 05:24 PM |
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Are we going to attack the US of A?
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You think your on par with us? Wait until you see the Land Warrior we've got coming in 2005.
...by being technologicaly even doesn't mean that you have thnigs that will lead to armagedon...it isn't measured like that Aqua, and as for the Land Warrior i think that it is a waste of money, good money that could go into research funds or development money for 3rd world coutries...but as the US goverment is a war-hawkish one, no wonder...
Its not our responsibility to give money to anyone. We don't have to give away perfectly good money that could make our lives easier. We do third-world a FAVOR by donating. And would you prefer that Huessein still be in power? While we're slightly "war-hawkish" we have done a great deed by removing Huessein and the Taliban.
Suddenly of all ur saving the world, i see, first you help them to power and then you remove them an interesting strategy, no wonder noone like the us foreign policy.
Ur right ur not responsible to help anyone, why yes you can let them all die from AIDS or Ebola, why should you care that there are hundred milion people suffering. Sure u don't have to help them you can just spend money on invenitng so that YOUR asses live confortably, and there are childern suffering from hunger dehydration, sicknesses...no the money will go on a project for a usseless machine. I'm sorry but that's just twisted! Sick and dissgusting.
The whole idea is that we DO donate. Did you even read my post? MY tax dollars go to helping OTHERS. But since you guys don't agree with my country's foreign policy. All of the sudden every good thing the US does for the world is forgotten so third world nations can have someone to blame their problems on. Then when they're in trouble, its OUR responsibility to drag them out. They tak eadvantage of our kindness. And the second any American tries to say how wrong this is, the world dismisses him as an "arrogant American nationalist".
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posted August 26, 2003 10:45 PM |
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Afghanistan --
I don't know what kind of man Kharzai is. My understanding is that, while he may not be a saint, he is a basically good man. He "controls" (if it can be called that) Kabul and that's about it. The rest of the country is controlled by warlords who pay lip service to Kabul but basically do what they please and fund their private armies with heroin. Guess who's veins the heroin ends up in? For an administration that makes so much bluster about being tough on drugs, that's remarkably shortsighted. Meanwhile, what little reconstruction is going on is also limited to Kabul since it's just too damn dangerous for aid workers to go elsewhere. Osama Bin Laden has not been captured. Is it a good thing that the Taliban is out of power? Absolutely. Did I support the action in Afghanistan? Yes. Do I think things have been handled well following the "victory"? No, because more troops are sorely needed to provide security to allow the reconstruction effort to proceed. Unfortunately, the troops are busy being shot at and bombed in...
Iraq --
Is it a good thing that Saddam has been ousted? Hell yeah. Was it worth it? Well let's see...
Good acheived:
Saddam is no longer in power.
Some very bad people have been killed or captured.
Costs:
277 US soldiers and counting
48 British soldiers and counting
(I could not find if Australian, Polish or other soldiers have died, I apologize if I left out your nation's casualties)
At least 6,000 Iraqi civilians (AT LEAST) and counting
(casualty figures from msnbc.com)
~$38 Billion spent by the US alone through April 17th. THAT DOESN'T COUNT THE COST OF THE OCCUPATION. (Source: Congressional Budget Office)
Severely damaged diplomatic relations
Endangering the Afghanistan mission
So, in response to would I rather Hussein still be in power? If it would bring the people who have died back to life, get us a refund, repair diplomatic ties, and increase the chance of success in Afghanistan then yes, I would rather have Hussein back in power.
Dunco -- You're a real expert on what other people should be doing with their time and money, huh? Should the US be doing more to help third world nations? I think so, but I'm not sure that you have the right to get on your high horse about it. Check that, you have the right, but don't expect anybody to listen to you when your basic attitude is everybody but me should be fixing this. You've conveniently excused your own country from responsibility. Fine, than let me ask you this, what have YOU personally done to alleviate third world suffering?
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I don't know what kind of man Kharzai is. My understanding is that, while he may not be a saint, he is a basically good man.
What I've read goes from saint to devil, I'd geuss at somewhere in between. It is known he was once a member of a secret police group, and insinuated (though unproven) that he was a KGB spy before the fighting broke out in the 70's, but left it sometime soon after. Since then he's mostly from what I've read been either a diplomat or intelligence officer for the rather unsaintly Northern Alliance, which he took command of (or a portion of amounting to 10,000 men, not sure if this is the whole alliance) 2 weeks before US/UK involvement in the wake of 9/11.
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posted August 27, 2003 03:02 AM |
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So, in response to would I rather Hussein still be in power? If it would bring the people who have died back to life, get us a refund, repair diplomatic ties, and increase the chance of success in Afghanistan then yes, I would rather have Hussein back in power.
Uh...the people that the US, Britain and the others lost were nothing compared to the amount of people that Huessein has killed in his own country. They've found many mass graves filled with Iraqians and people of other ethnicities. Huessein would have kept killing people and then even more people would be dead than the ones we lost in the war.
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posted August 27, 2003 05:21 PM |
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what great logic. But the world would be great without Bush and Saddam.
In fact,the world would be great if there aren't politics and their leaders.
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posted August 27, 2003 06:53 PM |
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i agree soccer, but it can never happen. you cant attack the USA with seriously hurting the rest of the planet. the USA is a loose cannon. if they see they are going down, they wont hessitate to use there nukes in a "if im going down im taking you with me" fashion.
lifes a (female dog) screw it.
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In fact,the world would be great if there aren't politics and their leaders.
Anarchy?
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Anarchy=End of the World.
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