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Peacemaker
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posted October 24, 2003 04:58 PM |
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Sir Stiven you confuse me, as usual.
First you condemn Milena being a man-hater because she describes men as being more aggressive (in general, by the way) than women, as though this generalization were somehow unfair.
Then you basically offer an explanation for why men are more aggressive (testosterone) in essence conceding the point.
Personally, I found nothing hateful, insidious, or insulting anywhere in any of Milena's posts, and just for the record, she comes across to me as about as loving as a person can be.
Judging from your post, however, apparently your rule is if you're going to be hateful and insulting, do it directly.
<INSERT PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE STIVEN POST ABOUT PEACEMAKER DEFENDING FRIENDS HERE>
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Aculias
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posted October 24, 2003 09:53 PM |
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Peacemaker I dont think you were here in the past but Milena was a totally agreesive towards men here & I dont mean in a nice way either.
Obvious she dont trust men from past exp & I also had a rough time with her in here when I got talked down really bad in private & in some of the older tavern posts.
I have a feeling she may totally turn gay because of probally the resentment towards men & how much hurt & pain she feels & just unlashes out on us like we did somethang wrong with her or all men are the same which typical woman think that way.
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Khaelo
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posted October 24, 2003 10:31 PM |
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I have a feeling she may totally turn gay because of probally the resentment towards men & how much hurt & pain she feels & just unlashes out on us like we did somethang wrong with her or all men are the same which typical woman think that way.
Cutting off a point from the discussion of a particular individual, resentment will not make any bisexual (or heterosexual) person "turn gay." A bisexual who has had negative experiences with one gender may prefer to date the other gender exclusively. However, if they still find the bodies of the rejected gender sensual, apart from relationship complications, they are still bisexual.
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Aculias
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posted October 25, 2003 06:17 AM |
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I rest my case thanks for the agreement K  .
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Romana
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Thx :D
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posted October 25, 2003 12:18 PM |
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Sir Stiven you confuse me, as usual.
First you condemn Milena being a man-hater because she describes men as being more aggressive (in general, by the way) than women, as though this generalization were somehow unfair.
Then you basically offer an explanation for why men are more aggressive (testosterone) in essence conceding the point.
Personally, I found nothing hateful, insidious, or insulting anywhere in any of Milena's posts, and just for the record, she comes across to me as about as loving as a person can be.
Judging from your post, however, apparently your rule is if you're going to be hateful and insulting, do it directly.
<INSERT PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE STIVEN POST ABOUT PEACEMAKER DEFENDING FRIENDS HERE>
PM you amaze me...you mean to say you actually read Sir Stiven's posts???
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Sir_Stiven
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posted October 25, 2003 06:31 PM |
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lol
i find it rather amusing when people start trying to defend themselves against a respond yet to come from someone by trying to make em sound less credential. Personally i dont like that though since i prefer making valid points instead 
But you seem to have missed my point completely pacemaker. I couldnt care less about the fact that milena has anything against men, as much as i care she can hate em for all she wants. But then (as i thought id made clear with my qoute earlier) i want her to stand up for those opinions and dont claim to think something that she obviously dont.
Another thing i find rather amusing the fact that you pacemaker claim that you have found "nothing hateful, insidious, or insulting anywhere in any of Milena's posts," and yet on the subject of the male body sensuality which according to Milena is basically none you reply:
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I sat here reading your post, nodding all the way through -- until I got to the part about women's bodies being more sensual than men's.
Frankly I can't think of anythimg more sensual than a man's body, particuarly one encasing an individual to whom I am emotionally attracted. To me, women's bodies are just pretty, like works of art. Men's bodies -- how they work, look, respond etc. -- on the other hand are, for me, an object of utter sexual obsession. The instant a woman's body becomes sexually attractive to me is, in fact, the moment she begins responding to the sexual overtures of a man...????
I respect the fact that you wanna stand up for a friend of yours but is it really worth looking like a clown to do it?
And as aculias says... comparing to some of us you are a n00b here pacemaker. Nothing personal but we have read many posts which you obviously has not. Which is understandable but i would prefer if you didnt interere in matters then like you had all the answers when you in reality have no knowledge at all about the history in the matter.
Oh and btw, im not hateful nor do i think i insult people. But i do speak my mind about things and i dont have the need no 2nd alias or hide my more harsher points between the lines. As stated earlier i prefer honest people who speaks there mind.
I also see that you are very judgemental of my character my labeling me both as insulting and hateful and yet youve talked to me once via IM:s. But i wont counter these silly accusations now because i prefer making up my own idea of different people and not by listening to what others have to say. And IMO one IM is way to little background to do that on.
@Romana: I guess i should just go on ignore mode against you again afterall seeing you having "responsible" member status here just shows what a toss these red stars really can be.
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Aculias
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posted October 25, 2003 10:52 PM |
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Well didnt mean it in a rude way how Stiven put it but someone holding a grudge towards another after all these yrs are rediculas/
Especially when they talked to me about how wrong it is & how they dont do it anymore.
A shame some cant do what they say.
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Human
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posted December 21, 2003 07:50 PM |
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Oh no!
People!
PEOPLE!
I'm shocked... Where i am? Is ti Heroes Community or Gay Community? I read pages 1&2 and was unable to read further... having become red from shame and anger... How this can be real? I understand anyone can open threads here, but the others? Half of posts here say that there is nothing bad in homosexual ****, and others directly declare they're bisexual! Am I the first normal human here? So, why do others ignore this thread? Or heroes players are 90% gays? Or Internet lovers are?
And where are moderators? If I was one, I wouldn't close this thread but'd immediately delete it! It's not a gay club, after all! And here - people get bonuses!
Remember that children may visit this forum, the more so it's a computer game one. And what can they learn here? Just look at headers - "Second Woman", "Same Sex marriage", this one...
Where aare we going???
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Lich_King
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posted December 21, 2003 08:50 PM |
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And where are moderators? If I was one, I wouldn't close this thread but'd immediately delete it! It's not a gay club, after all! And here - people get bonuses!
This sub-board is called Other side of the monitor. It is dedicated for real life disscusions. The main thing we have in this board is - freedom of speach. Moderators cannot influence other people opinions or just shut them up. That would be called censorship and would be against rules.
P.S. Personaly I have nothing against gay people. It's their life.
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consis
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posted December 22, 2003 12:33 AM |
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Valery
I'm going to say this and I'm not sure why but it is compelling to me on a personal level. This is mostly to Valery for her courageous post. I suppose I'm slowly gathering the courage to post my thoughts as well while I try to counterdemand myself from releasing information of a personal nature in this place.
I am sorry to you Valery. I was not the guy you lost as a dear childhood friend. I was the same guy you described to another person. I apologize now to possibly ease my conscience for the very same way I behaved to my childhood friend. He wanted a close friendship that I did not understand and it was confusing to display such physical affecion to a male friend. I miss him. I am married to a wonderful woman now and I have two wonderful children. My wife is in her 3rd trimester for our next daughter. I love her. She tells me I don't kiss my son enough. I also think about my past every so often and I never really knew what my old friend could have been feeling when I shunned him as your friend did you until I read your post. You have exemplary courage my friend. Bottled feelings can stay with you for as long you let them. Thankyou for sharing.
I would like to add a suggestion for your stereotypical response of an affectionate partner found a long way off in some distant land. I donot believe everyone has a soulmate. That's a myth created to quell the people who lack the amount of self commitment required to be an exceptional partner themselves. As for your belief that some better women live in Russia than where you live now I tell you to stop fooling yourself. It is my personal opinion that no relationship will be successful without the two people having had the chance to form a close-knit bond from a shared meaningful experience.
I met my wife in the Airforce. Our first illegal date, as it was called, was to jointly feed the homeless in downtown LasVegas, NV. Once she became pregnant with my son(our first child) her commanding officer pressured her not to make public that the child "might be mine". It was indeed mine and her commanding officer knew it well but my wife obstinately replied, "It's his colonel, I know it's his." The old woman responded with, "If you choose this path then I must enforce military law and you will be prosecuted fully with no chance for re-enlistment". It was a very trying time for the two of us and we perserveered through one interrogation after another, and being subjected to literally marshal-like consequences until they finally gathered enough evidence to kick us both out of the airforce.
So you see we made it and I believe you and someone in your part of the world can too if you manage to find someone that is just as willing to work as hard as you in the relationship. Dedicate yourself to a relationship that will ultimately be greater than your own existence. We are all important but don't let that get in the way of becoming a good father and a good husband.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted December 22, 2003 12:59 AM |
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feeling really evil...
consis, would it change anything if I told you Valeriy is actually a guy?
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Human
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posted December 22, 2003 08:40 PM |
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Freedom of speech? Your freedom doesn't mean you may do anything and say anything you want! It'd be the anarchy, this case. "That would be called censorship..." - Why does censorship is considered evil-of-evils? May be police arresting you for some crime is evil, too? Or parents that make you going to school are? What a hypocricy! Your rules don't allow to use some words, even by first letter (f*** not allowed), while you freely talk about such perversions...
The freedom of sppech really means that you've right to have your opinion and to state it, but it still does NOT give you right to propagate dangerous ideas. With your point of view to it, I'm waiting for nazists threads or virtual satanist temples at HC.
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P.S. Personaly I have nothing against gay people. It's their life.
Obviously, you're gay or bi, too... At least partially.
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Planeswalker
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posted December 22, 2003 09:16 PM |
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consis, would it change anything if I told you Valeriy is actually a guy?
Well, this thread is about bi-sexual ppl so maybe consis is right, then? hehe... j/k
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Lich_King
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posted December 22, 2003 09:58 PM |
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Freedom of speech? Your freedom doesn't mean you may do anything and say anything you want! It'd be the anarchy, this case.
First of all it is not My freedom. In this case it is everyone's freedom. Of course you cannot say insultive material in the board, but I see nothing insultive in words "gay", or "bisexual".
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"That would be called censorship..." - Why does censorship is considered evil-of-evils?
May be police arresting you for some crime is evil, too?
Censorship in democratic community is bad thing.
And since when it is a crime to talk about bi or gay people... I would like to ask you, where are you from ?
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Or parents that make you going to school are? What a hypocricy! Your rules don't allow to use some words, even by first letter (f*** not allowed), while you freely talk about such perversions...
I think you cannot recognise the difference from cuss and a normal word. That's sad, of course.
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The freedom of sppech really means that you've right to have your opinion and to state it, but it still does NOT give you right to propagate dangerous ideas. With your point of view to it, I'm waiting for nazists threads or virtual satanist temples at HC.
What kind of dangerous ideas you see in these posts ? Did someone said, that they'll come and do something with you or they'll make you bisexual ? I think, that you're overreacting.
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Obviously, you're gay or bi, too... At least partially.
I'm very calm about my heterosexual orientation. But I doubt about your's... There is a part of gay people, who doesn't want to exept, who they are and they hate themselves and others like them... And deciding from your posts I can tell, that your hatred is somewhat undue.
Sincerely yours,
Lich King the straight... 
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Peacemaker
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posted December 22, 2003 09:59 PM |
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Human --
For better or worse, freedom of speech does protect the right of Naziest or satanist ideas. The line drawn is very, very broad. Yelling fire in a crowded theatre knowing your action will cause a riot and physical harm to others is the common example used among attorneys of the few kinds of speech that are banned and not protected by the First Amendment.
Obviously you disagree strongly with the opinions of several people here. But that is the very thing Freedom of Speech is designed to protect -- the right to express opinions even when others disagree with them, and even (and especially) when those others are in the majority. A quick perusal of the United States Supreme Court cases on Freedom of Speech will verify what I am saying here, including speech about "nazism" and "Satanism."
For instance, suppose you were in the minority expressing your opinions that bisexuality is "dangerous?" Even if it is not true that such a thing is dangerous, and even if you were in the minority, should those facts preclude you from your right to say such things? The notion of Freedom of Speech is there to protect all of us, even and especially when we vehemently disagree with one another.
As the Old American saying goes, "I might disgree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it."
<EDIT> BTW, I am also "straight."
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consis
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posted December 23, 2003 01:11 AM |
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Human please explain your argument more
Let's not angrily beat about the bush! Human I suggest you gather your thoughts and present them clearly so that the rest of us can understand what your opinion truly is. Might I remind you that ignorance, anger, and hatred are NOT an opinion!(although they commonly find themselves together) I have decided to post some definitions of the types of societies for everyone to consort while debating this topic of bi-sexuality in an effort to keep everyone informed and educated on what kinds of societies bi-sexuality might find itself in. It's important to remember this information because this issue has become a major topic of debate especially in America, and as we all know the governing body heavily influences topics it takes great interest in. I have noticed that none of the debatees have specified which point of view they are coming from. i.e. which type of government. I feel this would contribute greatly to helping the rest of us who are reading these posts to understand your particular points of view.
Authoritarian: Believing in, relating to, characterized by, or enforcing unquestioning obedience to authority, as that of a dictator, rather than that of individual freedom of judgment and action.
Capitalism: Economic system in which all or most of the means of production and distribution, as land, factories, communication, and transportation systems, are privately owned and operated in a relatively competetive environment through the investment of capital to produce profits: it has been characterized by a tendency toward the concentration of wealth, the growth of large corporations, etc. that has led to economic inequality, which has been dealt with usually by increased government action and control. Principles, methods, interests, power, influence etc. of capitalists, especially of those with large holdings.
Communism: any economic theory or system based on the ownership of all property by the community as a whole. A hypothetical stage of socialism, as formulated by Marx, Engels, Lenin, and others, to be characterized by a classless and stateless society and the equal distribution of economic goods, and to be achieved by revolutionary and dictatorial, rather than gradualistic means.
Democracy: Government in which the people hold the ruling power either directly or through elected representatives. Rule by the ruled. Majority rule. The principle of equality of rights, opportunity, and treatment.
Fascism: System of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism.
Socialism: System of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or the community sharing in the work and the products. A stage in society, in Marxist doctrine, coming between the capitolist stage and communist stage, in which private ownership of the means of production and distribution has been eliminated.
I'm having trouble understanding what it is that you are arguing about Human. Please help me understand by linking these topics to the main topic(bi-sexuality) otherwise form a new thread if it is an off-topic argument. Let's try to be helpful rather than hurtful in this debate about bi-sexuality and it's role in whatever cultures the debatees are coming from. I kindly ask all participants to state a very general location and which type of culture/government they originate from to help the rest of us better understand your views.
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posted December 23, 2003 01:35 AM |
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Good post Consis!
Human, I may have been making some assumptions about where you are from and your socio-political orientation because of your reference to Freedom of Speech, and those assumptions may have been incorrect. Your profile indicates you are within the Russian Federation. That could include any number of the above political systems in addition to religious views held by your culture that I did not take into consideration.
Please forgive my centric presumptions if that is the case.
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posted December 23, 2003 08:33 AM |
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The freedom of sppech really means that you've right to have your opinion and to state it, but it still does NOT give you right to propagate dangerous ideas.
Please elaborate. Where's the line between stating one's opinions and propogating dangerous ideas? Who gets to say what's an opinion and what's a dangerous idea? What are the criteria for an idea being dangerous, anyway?
This is only tangentally related to bisexuality, by the way. New thread?
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Aculias
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posted December 23, 2003 10:32 AM |
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You trip way too much COnsis, who are you to say whos a bad person or whos a good person over thier sexuality.
WHo are you to make assumptions that 90% of us are gay because we dont pass judgement on thier choice of lives.
WHo are you toTell the moderators to close a thread because you personally are offended.
Who are you to critisize other people here because they like the same sex.
Who are you to be a hater?
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Human
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posted December 23, 2003 02:39 PM |
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A normal human, isn't it enough?
Lich_King,
Still you care about words, but not what they mean... You know, the worst things are ususlly said with beautyful words. Of course, we all have right to express our opinioins, but must there be some bounds!
Khaelo,
I'm talking about this thread. Why should I create another one?
Yes, I'm from Russia. Here, we're trying to build a democracy. And Russian Orthodox Church doesn't allow homosexual marriages. More, homosexual interaction is considered a serious sin.
And finally I was called gay. Well, what could I wait more?
So, you ask why is it bad? A normal human should understand it without any help, but I'll explain...
- love and sex are intended to be made by two creatures of opposite sex.
- Homosexual contact doesn't lead to "making" a child.
- no animals are homosexual.
- Same gender sex is considered sin in all religies.
- it is counter the nature.
- Finally, you put your *** into a dirty snow, what's more?
OK, since heterosexuals are considered "curved"...
Sincerely,
Human the Curved.
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