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Lews_Therin
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posted December 23, 2003 03:15 PM |
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love and sex are intended to be made by two creatures of opposite sex.
As humanity does not at all know whether it is been "made" in an intentional way at all, this is just your opinion.
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Homosexual contact doesn't lead to "making" a child.
As overpopulation is one of the worst problems of our time, your argument leads to the conclusion that we need more homosexuality.
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no animals are homosexual.
 Please stop making a fool of yourself here. The large majority of animal species has a homosexuality rate between 5 and 15%. Among "higher developed" animals like for example dolphins and - probably our closest relatives - the Bonobo apes, itīs even higher.
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Same gender sex is considered sin in all religies.
Thatīs interesting, because the concept of sin does not even exist in all religions.
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it is counter the nature.
Yes, writing utterly stupid and ignorant brainfarts on internet forums may very well be against nature.
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Finally, you put your *** into a dirty snow, what's more?
Many heterosexuals practice anal sex, too. Likewise, not all homosexual men do anal penetration.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted December 23, 2003 03:44 PM |
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Speaking about words, i have something to say. I have always been at odds with gay/bi people as i have always taken the biblical viewpoint of it being unnatural.
I believe that it is something that stems from a misunderstanding of the true nature of that word we call love.
There are in reality four different kinds of love.
AGAPE: Love based on principal. This is the kind on love that people display in a crisis whereby a person will freely give their life for a total stranger. It is also the highest form of love.
PHILIA: To have tender affection (not sexual) the love we have for a close friend. Combined with Agape this is the foundation for the greatest of all relationships. That of true friendship (not sexual).
STORGIA: This is the love that exists between family members. Again a different kind of love, but can also be added to the other two.
EROS: Reffers exclusively to romantic love between the two sexes.
Members of the same sex have three forms of love with which to love each other. They do not need Eros.
The problem is that the English language uses only one word to cover all four forms of love and this causes confusion.
Because the non-sexual forms of love are spiritually the the highest this makes it possible for two members of the same sex to have a love for each other that cannot be matched by a romantic relationship. This is perfectly normal and has nothing to do with sex.
I have friends who have wondered about their sexuality purely because they are disturbed by the power of the love they feel towards a close friend.
My conlusion is that mankind is moving further and further away from spirituality and thus reducing everything to its lowest common denominator, and this is why bysexuality has become more and more acceptable. Because people cannot distinguish between love and sex.
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted December 23, 2003 06:40 PM |
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Acu -- Weren't you talking to Human in your post? You said it was to Consis and I was just wondering...
Dodd -- interesting post. My dad has told me about these different forms of love from -- was it the Greek culture? Kind of like there being thirty eight different words for "snow" in the Eskimo and Aleut languages. I think you're right that words can be very confining.
But -- I also think that is true about traditional Western religions. I think it is just as possible that humanity is becoming more spiritual, not less so, and that as a consequence people are moving forward beyond the old confines about what love can be and the forms it can take as those confines were set forth in the traditional religions. Remember -- one does not have to be "religious" in the strict sense in order to be spiritual.
Human -- You're drawing a lot of fire here, partly because you have not read the entire thread and are making statements about topics that were thoroughly covered. I think you will not be corrupted if you go back and read the whole thread. You don't appear to be in any danger of having your mind changed by anything you read, and maybe if you do that you will stop getting so much heat over some of the statements in your posts.
BTW I am also a "normal human." So is everybody else here. Normal humans can and do differ greatly in their beliefs, as this thread readily proves.
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consis
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Legendary Hero
Of Ruby
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posted December 23, 2003 06:54 PM |
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This is getting out of control
Ok now I'm confused. Aculias what did I say? This thread is spinning out of control and should be removed. I tried posting some helpful ideas for the debate to continue with eyes unclouded by hate but now even I'm being attacked and I never even stated my opinion on the matter. My content was superfluous. A red light should be flashing to the mods on this one. Too much anger an nobody is listening to even the guidelines for a debate.
I say shut this thread down, I don't care if my posts get deleted because no one is behaving civilized enough to carry on a worthwhile debate.
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DoddTheSlayer
Promising
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posted December 23, 2003 07:41 PM |
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What exactly were you hoping for with this thread? That everyone would find common ground and agree
I have yet to see that on any topic or in any forum.
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted December 24, 2003 12:30 AM |
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Censorship and moderation
Human is suggesting that Heroes Community should contain posts about certain topics, but not others. As an administrator I reply: suggestion declined.
At Heroes Community certain topics are prohibited, for example game hacking/cracking, porn, warez, insults to other members, etc. (listed in the FAQ/Rules section). Homosexuality/bisexuality is not one of the prohibited topics.
Those who fail to distinguish disagreement with insults get penalized. If you wish to continue this discussion, state your disagreements. If you are unwilling to accept homosexuality/bisexuality as a valid way for some people to live and if you consider those people inferior, I suggest you limit yourself from visiting these discussions.
I am also from Russia and am aware of the negative attitude towards homosexuality that is inherent in Russian culture. Many Russians are however misinformed as to how common homosexuality is in animals. Many also do not consider a possibility of a homosexual relationship based on love rather than on homosexual lust.
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consis
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posted December 24, 2003 12:59 AM |
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Thanks Valeriy
Thanks for keeping the peace Valeriy. I feel better knowing members who make posts should do so under the guidelines you set out in the requirements for being a member. That is one of the reasons I was attracted to this community. I think the rules are reasonably suitable.
With that said I shall continue the thread with my own feelings on the subject matter.
I live in Oregon in America and I'm originally from Texas. I have never had a problem with bi-sexuality in people. I've seen it and experienced it through blatant come-ons and some acts that might be considered lude if my wife ever found out. LoL, I'd like to keep my marriage so I won't be more specific than that but I would say that people are people. No matter what part of the world you are from there can be many different kinds of attraction.
I think that history teaches us that intolerance of that which we ourselves do not understand will ultimately lead to an uneducated decision that most often results in undesirable results. In other words acting upon the fear of the unknown can only lead to an unknown end. The end met could be wonderful or it could be the most disastrous experience of your life. I for one am not willing to make such a leap of uneducated faith.
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 24, 2003 02:55 AM |
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Oh yes I was screening the names & somehow I read Consis name On Humans name.
My bad COnsis, you can talk me down now hehe.
I did mean Human & I dont think we need haters replieng negatively upon people for being diferent.
If theres any insults then he took & ate the whole cake.
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Human
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posted December 24, 2003 05:27 PM |
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OK. I've been homosexed by you ppl in all holes.
Bye.
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DoddTheSlayer
Promising
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Banned from opening threads
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posted December 24, 2003 08:47 PM |
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If you are unwilling to accept homosexuality/bisexuality as a valid way for some people to live and if you consider those people inferior, I suggest you limit yourself from visiting these discussions.
Not sure i understand your position here Valeriy.
I thought the whole point of a thread like this is for those who agree or disagree with homosexuality/bisexuality
to hear each others views.
If those who believe it is not a valid way of life as i do should not post here then where is the basis for a non onesided discussion?
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 24, 2003 11:02 PM |
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OK. I've been homosexed by you ppl in all holes.
Bye.
How many holes ya have man for christ sakes LOL?
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frostwolf
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livin' in a bottle of vodka
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posted December 24, 2003 11:26 PM |
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Human, I have to say, you try so hard to make a point but you only end up making a fool of yourself.(Lewis proved that)
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Khaelo
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Supreme Hero
Underwater
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posted December 25, 2003 12:58 AM |
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random thoughts
A) The larger discussion of this issue is in the Same Sex Marriage thread, not this one. Since the threads were active more or less simultaneously, it's easy for people who were here at the time to get them confused. Human's objections were previously addressed in the other thread, not here. It's not too much to expect a newbie to look over thread titles before starting a new thread, or to read a thread before posting to it. It is a bit much to ask them to search out and read every other thread on a related topic before posting. 
B) Personally, I have no problem with people who oppose homosexuality/bisexuality expressing their opinions. These things should be discussed. People on both sides of the issue need to know where others are coming from. What alarms me about Human's posts is not his(?) objection to homosexuality/bisexuality, but his desire to basically shut down a group of people's ability to speak their opinions. Since free speech is relevant to many contentious issues, that is why I suggested a new thread for the topic. But Human seems to have backed down, so never mind.
B.1) However...HC is a private venue. If you stand up in a crowded theater and shout "Fire!," you will be kicked out on the basis of law. If you stand up in a crowded theater and shout a few verses of "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall," you will be kicked out on the basis of irritating the management. That's not censorship. Nor do the theater owners have to let every play that comes to town use their stage. It's their theater, they have the right to do that, and it's not censorship. If Valeriy doesn't want particular topics discussed here, i.e. cracks, that is his right since this is his establishment.
In short: I think everyone has the right to speak their minds on homosexuality/bisexuality, but they don't necessarily have the right to do so on Heroes Community if the owner nixes it.
C) On the other hand, I don't think Valeriy nixed the sexuality discussion. I read his comment as meaning, "if a topic upsets you so much, you don't have to read it." (???) Some of the things I've read in Attack Iraq have upset me a great deal, so I've basically quit reading that thread. If Human feels too strongly about the sexuality issue, he could avoid it. There are some things that are just out of our control, and we don't need to seek out ways to hit ourselves over the head with our own helplessness.
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consis
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posted December 25, 2003 07:52 AM |
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The danger of such devoted enthusiasm
I would also like to point out that this thread is one of those that has a good chance of bringing out the kinds of people that take religious beliefs to the extreme. Extremist are a part of every culture. Just as Islam has suicide bombers so too does Presbyterianism have abortion clinic bombers. I fear that Human's disagreement standpoint might border on zealousness of orthodoxy. Bi-sexuality may be very much disagreed with in that particular religious avenue but I don't think the clergymen of that chruch would respond the way Human has with his insults of ignorance. My point is simply this. His views are his own and I hope people don't think he is a representative of that religion in any way with behavior like this.
It's kinda like what President Bush said after 9/11. (I hate to quote someone I didn't vote for but he had some good things to say after that happened)
"If people are going around hurting someone who looks like one of the hi-jackers of September the eleventh just because they bare some kind of resemblance then they should be prosecuted under the law. They don't represent America, they represent the worst of human-kind."
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted December 25, 2003 08:42 AM |
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If you are unwilling to accept homosexuality/bisexuality as a valid way for some people to live and if you consider those people inferior, I suggest you limit yourself from visiting these discussions.
Not sure i understand your position here Valeriy.
I thought the whole point of a thread like this is for those who agree or disagree with homosexuality/bisexuality
to hear each others views.
If those who believe it is not a valid way of life as i do should not post here then where is the basis for a non onesided discussion?
I probably haven't chosen the best words, here's what I mean.
Reasoned disagreement is welcome. Inquiry is welcome. Various points of view are welcome as long as they do not directly insult other members for their way of life or their opinions.
I mean the difference between: "I think homosexuality is against human nature, it does not exist in animals" (this one is a reasoned disagreement, even though misinformed), and "HC is like a gay community and I'd delete this thread, am I the first normal human here?" (unreasoned discrimination).
Reasoned disagreement is always welcome.
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted December 27, 2003 07:45 PM |
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I agree that Valeriy did not appear to be trying to shut Human down. He appeared to be trying to point out to Human that some of his posts had begun to border on unreasoned insults, heartfelt though his opnion may have been, and to help Human back away from the blurred edge between "opinions" and "insults. "Expressing opinions" can become very difficult to distinguish from outright insults at times and this really is a matter of degree.
Also, Khaelo, I think you too have a salient point, that even the U.S. government engages in "controlled speech" at times. The U.S. Supreme Court has entertained considerations of "time, place and manner" when deciding whether somebody's speech getting shut down was a violation of their constitutional rights. This is always true when in a private forum. The first part of any constitutional analysis is whether there is any government involvement in the suppression or not. It seems to me that Valeriy has sucessfully attempted to create an environment that nurtures the freedom of expression during debates, but at the same time exercises his private perogative of discouraging counterproductive communication deviod of any reasoned information. Again, this is an extremely difficult balancing task requiring an exceedingly open mind, and I think Valeriy (with the help of all the mods) have done an excellent job at something many private forums fail to accomplish.
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jaxxa
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posted December 29, 2003 06:38 PM |
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In a way i'm a bisexual, emotionaly that is. and if a girl comes up to me for a threesome with another guy, then its more like an adventure to me. and if i greet someone whom is close to me, i always give a kiss on the cheeck. its just normal over here, mutual respect. Human talks about
sins, wel in that case, isn't just sex it self a sin aswell. or nazi's and satanism. A nazi is nothing more then a discriminator without the respect for others, someone who puts people into boxes. I bet he doesn't even know what reall discrimination is. I was born in South Africa. where people are beeing jugded by there color of skin or by there poverty. and what does satanism has to do with nazi's, nada. its nothing more then a religion that doesn't believe in the way of the christian God, nothing more and nothing less. to even compare them is an insult to any Satanist, no i am not one, but i do know a few. And he talks about bisexuals, if it where a disease, no its not. its a choice. its not in your genes, its a choice. just as beeing gay or just straight, you choose to be it or not. if you ask me, someone who is trying to discriminate, people whom are atracted to the opposite sex, is most likely to be gay its self, yet in dinile. that is why they seek an escape goat. and another laughter, you don't need a female and male to have children, al you need is the seamon of a male and an egg of a female. there is also something called testtube baby's. so if you are gay or not, one could always have children.
And if i can recall it, doesn't it say in the bible, that adam and eve where even forbidden to have sex, but due to there curiousity one thing led to the other. well curiousity leads to more then that.
And many animals are gay, best example are dogs, even a male subject could erouse it.
Nature works in mysterious ways, so in what way is it in counter to nature?
and well your last comment i won't even reply to.
There is nothing wrong with beeing bisexual, all it says, is that you are open to options, adventures.
And no not all men or woman are the same, judge each induvidual, single.
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TheRealDeal
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Foobum* of Justice!
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posted February 20, 2005 01:32 AM |
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I've just spent a lot of time reading this, and it's become my 2nd favourit thread! The first 2 pages are GODLY! I'll advise everyone who hasn't read it, to do it.
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Vlaad
Admirable
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ghost of the past
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posted February 23, 2005 06:40 PM |
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I've just read them, and didn't find them "godly"... except for some bort's pearls of wisdom. So unlike what Milena wrote back then:
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Okay, now back to the question, why is girl-on-girl a turn on for people and man-on-man a turn off?
And of course, like an expert Freud, I'll go back to the basics. The differences between men and women. Alright, the anatomy part of it all you know. Let's talk a bit more about psychology. How do women behave among other women? Typically, women have best friends. They would go out together, share secrets, gossip, joke with one another, have fun.
I understand "an expert [on] Freud" was meant to be ironic, right?
Male bonding can be as deep and strong as friendship between women, and I am NOT referring to gays here. I am sure the boys can confirm this.
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And why do women greet each other when they meet? They would hug and kiss cheeks and would stroke hairs. This is something like... I think it's always been this way, been in the centuries before. Women merely get close physically and is accepted by custom, tradition and mentality.
Well, in my country (quite conservative, by the way) men hug, tap, push and generally touch each others. Heck, it's a national custom to kiss cheeks three times.
Not to mention what men do when playing football. And it is never considered to be homosexual behaviour.
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Girls would go together in pairs to the bathrooms. Would take showers together. I've done that with my female friends. We'd show each other out underwear and wear it for the other to see and approve. Now tell me, isn't that perfectly acceptable in people's eyes? It's great with me. But tell me, too, how many GUYS do that? Nope. Alone to bathroom.
Gee.
For your information, boys and men piss together, especially after a couple of beers. And no, we do not measure each others' dicks but normally chat.
As for taking showers together, ever thought how sport teams and army units function?
Showing underwear? No problem IF it's something interesting. We don't show it to girls though, but you wouldn't show it to any guy either, would you?
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Next thing is, women's bodies are lovely. Very erotic. Very gentle.
On the other hand, I am sure women find male bodies attractive, sexy and erotic... Duh.
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Think of the art of all those artist throughout the ages. You'd see a lot of naked women but so few men.
...because most of the artists and customers were men.
By the way, there are not "few" but A LOT of male paintings and sculptures. Do your homework.
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Women behave close to one another, act gentle and affectionate to one another and because it's women's style and is sensual and erotic, it's a turn on and not a turn off.
Oh, it would be a turn off if two UGLY women were doing it, believe me. However, we never get to see that version, although it's quite common, isn't it? Think about it.
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...[women] are more sensual than sexual in their sexual behavior, in the general sense.
Yes, let's generalize.
(Or is it the men you know?)
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Think of it like this. Would you like to see two little, fluffy, lovely kittens play together and lick each other? I'd say it's a lovely picture! Now think of two big, aggressive, dominant tom cats. Still fluffy and all. But will it be as pleasing to the eye? Not to mine....
And THAT is the point, because some bi-men would.
You seemed to have generalized there, taking your attitudes as general truths, just like the prejudiced you talked about often do.
Straight, bi or gay bias... it's still bias.
Nevertheless, those Milena's posts are a year and a half old and things might have changed...
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted February 23, 2005 09:15 PM |
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Men piss together?
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For your information, boys and men piss together, especially after a couple of beers. And no, we do not measure each others' dicks but normally chat.
From what I've seen, it's more than just chat...
(See your e-mail. If you know how to post this then you should do it in this thread, but I don't know how to post mediaplayer stuff...)
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