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posted November 18, 2003 01:57 AM |
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So what? Washington should have been 
Oh and unlike your 30-50 year statement before is quite wrong, the war ended effectively sometime around 1782 (the peace treaty in Paris) or 1783 when the army disbanded, around a decade prior to the death of Louis the XVI in 1793.
If you assume the start of the war, then take 1773 (Boston Tea party) which is only 19 years before Louis died. Your dates just don't add up old chap 
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posted November 18, 2003 10:44 PM |
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I just guessed, I couldn't remember off the top of my head when the French Revolution was, but I guess he didn't die then. Oh well. 
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posted November 18, 2003 11:18 PM |
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Well the end of the revolution I guess could at most be placed at the ascension of Napoleon to the title of Emporer in 1804. The republic effectively ceased to exist in real terms then.
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posted March 27, 2005 08:24 PM |
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America > Rome
I've checked and rechecked; read and reread; asked and asked; looked and looked; and thought and thought. I have found no discernable or reasonable connection to the ancient Romans and America. If I stretch my imagination to a new and greater height then I might on some level see a small and insignificant relation to bringing the philosophy of civilization, practical architecture, and more sanitary living conditions. The Romans might have valued bringing a civilized economic sense of stability to less advanced tribes, barbarians, smaller groups almost as much as Americans do. But this is as far as I can reasonably stretch my imagination within this theoretical relation.
We do not crucify, conduct consecutive anual wars of territorial expansion, enslave conquered foreigners, or practice religious intolerance. Nor do we have a system of ancestral social standings. America has no class system of its people. And we have no kings, nobles, or plebians.
I can understand Wolfman fearing corruption and greed within our country's governing legislature, executive, and judicial branches but this is present within all nations on this entire planet. There is no government anywhere in the world that is completely safe from corruption and greed. Power does absolutely corrupt. That is so common and so predictable that the entire world and all of its countries enact/constitute an internal system of watch-dogs. Here in the U.S. we call it a "system of checks and balances" whereas it might be called something different in other countries; but the principle remains the same; to help prevent the likelihood of a corrupted government. In my opinion it is within the heart of every man and woman that the true responsibility lies. How can we expect the world to change if we ourselves are not willing to change it? One man or woman can make all the difference in the world. I think we must always remember this. If we all work together then the possibility for making greater advances in human-kind civilization become exponentially greater.
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posted April 01, 2005 07:58 PM |
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I've checked and rechecked; read and reread; asked and asked; looked and looked; and thought and thought. I have found no discernable or reasonable connection to the ancient Romans and America.
Surely not! You both have/had a senate right?
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posted April 01, 2005 11:25 PM |
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Hehehe...
That's true! We also build roads to connect national cities/states I think you may have a point there.
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posted April 01, 2005 11:59 PM |
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Yes I'm sure we can come up with many connections if we try. You both eat... food after all
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posted April 02, 2005 12:21 AM |
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The US and the Roman Empire both write(wrote) Latin phrases on their money.
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posted April 02, 2005 12:28 AM |
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So do the British though, does that mean we're doomed to fall apart as a country as well as an empire?
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posted April 02, 2005 02:35 AM |
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Nah, it probably just means that you have money which cant be read by 99% of your population. With Americans, 99,9%.
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posted April 02, 2005 02:47 AM |
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Speaking of American Money
I owe the government somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000.00 in taxes this year. I simply adore the capital gains tax I wonder if the ancient Romans had a tax like that.
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posted April 02, 2005 09:40 AM |
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Nah, it probably just means that you have money which cant be read by 99% of your population. With Americans, 99,9%.
That's not true, a good percentage of people here do learn Latin in school.
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posted April 02, 2005 10:24 AM |
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Poor Svarog
He thinks he's the only person who knows Latin. .....He seems to be ignoring the fact that Latin is still widely used by many people and countries: Catholic canon, scholars(biologists), Linguists, and it is commonly used among the international community of practicing/studying Physicians. In fact I think Latin is a required course for becoming a doctor.
English may be spoken by more people these days but one cannot discount that Latin was, at one time, as common English is today. Who knows what the next most common language might be. I'm sure English will continue to be used in the future the way Latin is today. However, there is no scientific means of predicting the future unfortunately .
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posted April 02, 2005 09:31 PM |
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A funny thing about English and Latin, is that in France, Italy, and coutries that had been under a heavy Roman (Latin) influence, radicals cherished English as a pure language - a language untainted by the foul authority and influence of the Catholic Church. It was used as the secret language of many, many secret republican, socialist, anti-church or just plain revolutionary societies.
Hmm. Sorry about the over-repetitive language in this post, but there's only so many words for "language", "influence" and "secret" I know of.
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posted April 08, 2005 01:15 AM |
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We do not ... conduct consecutive anual wars of territorial expansion, enslave conquered foreigners, or practice religious intolerance. Nor do we have a system of ancestral social standings. America has no class system of its people. And we have no kings, nobles, or plebians.
I still can't figure out if this is sarcasm.
But yeah, on topic, I think that the only difference between Rome and the US is a more strategic location. Nobody is going to invade the US, no matter how scattered their military will be.
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posted April 08, 2005 01:24 AM |
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I still can't figure out if this is sarcasm.
I got to agree with you there, IYY. (Hey, I got your name right! )
As for the rest of your post, someone could invade the US if they first neutralized the US Air Force (which the Soviet Air Force apparently was able to do in the late 70s - thus the initialization of the Stealth project). Before this, though, they'd probably need to defeat large parts of the US Army in some kind of landed conflict, or at least bind them down seriously for a long periode of time.
But if we're talking USA vs. Rome here, it's probably not so much an invasion at first as a succession of plunder-and-pillage raids, in which case the US Army only needed to be distracted for a short period of time. Though I guess they'd come calling afterwards, if they weren't neutralized for good...
Hypothetically speaking, of course...
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posted April 08, 2005 01:37 AM |
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As for the rest of your post, someone could invade the US if they first neutralized the US Air Force (which the Soviet Air Force apparently was able to do in the late 70s - thus the initialization of the Stealth project). Before this, though, they'd probably need to defeat large parts of the US Army in some kind of landed conflict, or at least bind them down seriously for a long periode of time.
Ahhh, wishful thinking...
I suspect that even if the whole world united, they would be able to invade America. So, how to beat US? There's only one way - invest all your efforts and give all your support to McDonalds and their noble mission to degenerate the American gene pool.
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posted April 08, 2005 01:47 AM |
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As for the rest of your post, someone could invade the US if they first neutralized the US Air Force (which the Soviet Air Force apparently was able to do in the late 70s - thus the initialization of the Stealth project). Before this, though, they'd probably need to defeat large parts of the US Army in some kind of landed conflict, or at least bind them down seriously for a long periode of time.
Ahhh, wishful thinking...
Indeed. But somewhat fun, none the less.
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I suspect that even if the whole world united, they would be able to invade America. So, how to beat US? There's only one way - invest all your efforts and give all your support to McDonalds and their noble mission to degenerate the American gene pool.
Yeah. They don't need anyone else to weaken their army; they just let McDonalds do it...
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posted April 08, 2005 05:43 AM |
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I would speculate more along the lines of using atomic weaponry. The next country who uses this kind weapon will be subject to global opinion. I believe it is this opinion that decides whether a country will be allowed to carry on without objection.
The last time global opinion took place was World War II. Nazi Germany could not be defeated by any single nation, weapon, or ideology.
In contrast to the defeat of Nazi Germany, the Roman empire also met its defeat at the hands of widespread enemies. But don't forget that the Roman empire did not simply vanish. It became split into East/West(ern) empire. The west was the first to fall and so forth....
I think a similar thing would happen to the U.S. if, for example, we arrongantly decided to use nuclear weapons in any of our future conflicts then the global opinion might very reasonably turn against anything remotely resembling American. If the world turned against the U.S. I believe our country would be split much in the same way the Roman empire was. And to be honest, I might actually agree to this if we indeed used our nuclear arsenal for a future first-strike on an opponent.
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posted April 08, 2005 07:15 PM |
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Given the U.S. Congress' mutually irresponsible, bipolarized, hyper-partisan behavior of late, I suggest all we have to do is sit still and the country will split in two all by itself.
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