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OmegaDestroyer
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Fox or Chicken?
posted August 17, 2016 03:12 PM

I cannot remember my last result so I retook the test.  Seems about right.


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NoobX
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Now, this is a paradox...
posted August 17, 2016 07:14 PM
Edited by NoobX at 19:27, 17 Aug 2016.

NoobX said:
Yay, I guess?

Quote:
You are a: Left-Leaning Anti-Government Isolationist Cosmopolitan Progressive

Collectivism score: 17%
Authoritarianism score: -33%
Internationalism score: -50%
Tribalism score: -33%
Liberalism score: 67%  




Something's changed, and I don't know if it's for the better.

Quote:
You are a: Centrist Libertarian Isolationist Humanist Progressive

Collectivism score: 0%
Authoritarianism score: -67%
Internationalism score: -67%
Tribalism score: -67%
Liberalism score: 67%



Also:


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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
posted August 17, 2016 07:36 PM

You are a: Communist Pro-Government Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Progressive

Collectivism score: 100%
Authoritarianism score: 33%
Internationalism score: 33%
Tribalism score: -83%
Liberalism score: 67%

Is anyone surprised?
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AnkVaati
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Nighonese National Front
posted August 17, 2016 08:08 PM
Edited by AnkVaati at 20:08, 17 Aug 2016.

kiryu133 said:
You are a: Communist Pro-Government Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Progressive

Collectivism score: 100%
Authoritarianism score: 33%
Internationalism score: 33%
Tribalism score: -83%
Liberalism score: 67%

Is anyone surprised?
100% Communist. That's a pretty strong statement from someone who lives in a town literally named "Northern Marketplace" lol.
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EnergyZ
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posted August 18, 2016 12:26 AM
Edited by EnergyZ at 16:48, 18 Aug 2016.

Quote:
You are a: Left-Leaning Pro-Government Non-Interventionist Cosmopolitan Reactionary

Collectivism score: 33%
Authoritarianism score: 33%
Internationalism score: -17%
Tribalism score: -33%
Liberalism score: -50%



Quote:

Democratic Socialism (100%)
International Communism (100%)
Eco-Socialism (98%)
Green anarchism (97%)
Anarcho-Socialism (90%)
Social Democratism (84%)
Social liberalism (79%)
Religious anarchism (60%)







Sounds about right.

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AnkVaati
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Nighonese National Front
posted August 18, 2016 12:32 AM
Edited by AnkVaati at 00:33, 18 Aug 2016.

It's interesting to note how the political sympathises among us who like the older games vary greatly. If anyone thought otherwise.
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markkur
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Once upon a time
posted August 18, 2016 02:54 AM

You are a: Centrist Pro-Government Non-Interventionist Nationalist Traditionalist

Collectivism score: 0%
Authoritarianism score: 17%
Internationalism score: -33%
Tribalism score: 17%
Liberalism score: -17%

Fun to do but it needs to be more precise. I had to "maybe" a heck of a lot because Yes or No does not always fit well.

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mvassilev
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posted August 18, 2016 08:00 AM

Retaking the tests, I seem to have gotten more libertarian.

You are a: Conservative Anarchist Isolationist Humanist Libertine

Collectivism score: -50%
Authoritarianism score: -100%
Internationalism score: -67%
Tribalism score: -50%
Liberalism score: 83%



Anarcho-Capitalism (100%)  
Classical liberalism (100%)  
Libertarianism (100%)  
Neolibertarianism (96%)  
Social liberalism (81%)  
Social Democratism (76%)  
Libertarian conservatism (69%)  
Democratic Socialism (59%)  
International Communism (59%)  
Anarcho-Socialism (54%)  
Neoconservatism (54%)  
Paleoconservatism (47%)  
Green anarchism (45%)  
Religious anarchism (44%)  
Eco-Socialism (41%)  
Christian Democratism (40%)  
National Communism (19%)  
Conservative Social Democratism (18%)  
Fascism (18%)  
Theocratic Socialism (0%)  
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Trogdor
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Legendary Hero
Words in a custom title
posted August 18, 2016 04:26 PM

The most recent test:

Quote:
You are a: Socialist Pro-Government Humanist Progressive

Collectivism score: 67%
Authoritarianism score: 33%
Internationalism score: 0%
Tribalism score: -67%
Liberalism score: 50%


In other words, a fervent anti-jingoist.

I also did the Advocates test, and it shows I'm very centre-left.


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EnergyZ
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President of MM Wiki
posted August 18, 2016 04:51 PM

Strange. I thought the right ones are the liberals, while the left ones are conservative.
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Miru
Miru


Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
posted August 18, 2016 07:39 PM
Edited by Miru at 20:25, 18 Aug 2016.



How very very strange. I identify as a libertarian and conservative.. in fact when I hear liberal I think head-in-the-clouds or naive. This chart thinks I'm one of them?

You know what, it's probably because I don't have religious views, I actually care about the environment and I hate mega corporations. If I subtracted that out whats left would put me in the bottom right, I'm sure.

The other said a similar thing though

Classical liberalism (100%)  
Neolibertarianism (100%)  
Libertarianism (93%)  
Social liberalism (64%)  
Anarcho-Capitalism (64%)  
Libertarian conservatism (64%)  
Social Democratism (58%)  
Neoconservatism (40%)  
Christian Democratism (37%)  
Paleoconservatism (35%)  
Green anarchism (31%)  
Eco-Socialism (29%)  
Democratic Socialism (28%)  
International Communism (28%)  
Anarcho-Socialism (19%)  
Conservative Social Democratism (12%)  
Religious anarchism (8%)  
Theocratic Socialism (4%)  
Fascism (3%)  
National Communism (0%)

At least it figured out I ain't some national communist


Maybe it's because I live in California and the liberals here are a such bunch of nut-case communists that I just can't identify.
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markkur
markkur


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Legendary Hero
Once upon a time
posted August 18, 2016 09:03 PM

Classical liberalism (100%)          
   Neolibertarianism (85%)          
   Christian Democratism (79%)          
   Social Democratism (77%)          
   Social liberalism (77%)          
   Green anarchism (74%)          
   Libertarian conservatism (74%)          
   Libertarianism (74%)          
   Theocratic Socialism (61%)          
   Eco-Socialism (58%)          
   Neoconservatism (58%)          
   Democratic Socialism (48%)          
   International Communism (48%)          
   Anarcho-Socialism (32%)          
   Conservative Social Democratism (32%)          
   Anarcho-Capitalism (24%)          
   Fascism (6%)          
   Paleoconservatism (6%)          
   Religious anarchism (6%)          
   National Communism (0%)

According to David Harvey (serious Marxist) & Chris Hedges, what is called Liberalism today is not the old definition, so I guess the pole seems accurate.

     

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Miru
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Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
posted August 18, 2016 09:28 PM
Edited by Miru at 21:37, 18 Aug 2016.

Oh yeah, originally liberalism meant freedom of speech and voting rights for all and capitalism and all kinds of good stuff. Basically all the great political movements from the late 18th and 19th centuries. But of course once all the good things were put into the government, liberals had to find more and more things to put into the government.

Also there is a HUGE, just HUGE misunderstanding of Marxism. You have to understand the context that Marxism was developed in. At the time there was the Bourgeoisie who owned everything and made money because they had assests. You know the whole "it takes money to make money" thing? Basically in Russia at the time there were two classes of people:
The Bourgeoisie who were snowholes who did absolutely nothing to contribute to society but lived off of basically interest of their inherited assets (one of Karl Marx's big ideas was "unearned income" - money that you get from being rich like interest and rent, instead of from contributing to society)
And the Proletariat which was the working class who worked hard and had nothing.
So Karl Marx was like "snow this", instead of money being given to the rich while the poor get nothing, everyone should work and everyone should get a share of the wealth. The government should own all of the assets that give unearned income. In his context this was a great idea. If you read his works the concept of welfare just doesn't occur to him, that was so far removed from the economic system he lived in. He wasn't trying to build a welfare state, he was trying to shut one down in a sense. If anything I think Karl Marx might consider welfare unearned income and be against modern communism.
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Trogdor
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Legendary Hero
Words in a custom title
posted August 20, 2016 04:16 PM

Social Democratism (100%)  
Green anarchism (87%)  
Social liberalism (87%)  
Eco-Socialism (77%)  
Christian Democratism (72%)  
Libertarianism (70%)  
Anarcho-Socialism (63%)  
Democratic Socialism (63%)  
International Communism (63%)  
Classical liberalism (58%)  
Religious anarchism (48%)  
Anarcho-Capitalism (46%)  
Neolibertarianism (45%)  
Conservative Social Democratism (21%)  
National Communism (21%)  
Theocratic Socialism (21%)  
Neoconservatism (12%)  
Libertarian conservatism (11%)  
Fascism (6%)  
Paleoconservatism (0%)  
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Gryphs
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Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
posted August 20, 2016 05:59 PM

Social liberalism (100%)
Social Democratism (95%)    
Democratic Socialism (74%)    
International Communism (74%)    
Green anarchism (67%)    
Anarcho-Socialism (65%)    
Classical liberalism (65%)    
Eco-Socialism (65%)    
Anarcho-Capitalism (61%)    
Neolibertarianism (61%)    
Libertarianism (53%)    
Christian Democratism (48%)    
Religious anarchism (35%)    
National Communism (31%)    
Conservative Social Democratism (22%)    
Libertarian conservatism (20%)    
Fascism (15%)    
Neoconservatism (12%)    
Theocratic Socialism (7%)    
Paleoconservatism (0%)

Mostly correct I guess.    
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Neraus
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Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
posted August 20, 2016 06:56 PM

Lulz at the ideology test

Fascism (100%)  
Paleoconservatism (98%)  
Conservative Social Democratism (89%)  
Theocratic Socialism (89%)  
Neoconservatism (76%)  
Religious anarchism (72%)  
National Communism (71%)  
Libertarian conservatism (46%)  
Christian Democratism (43%)  
Democratic Socialism (42%)  
Eco-Socialism (42%)  
International Communism (42%)  
Social Democratism (31%)  
Social liberalism (31%)  
Anarcho-Socialism (30%)  
Libertarianism (29%)  
Green anarchism (7%)  
Classical liberalism (6%)  
Anarcho-Capitalism (0%)  
Neolibertarianism (0%)  

I'm evil now.
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Zenofex
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Kreegan-atheist
posted August 20, 2016 07:53 PM

Miru said:

Also there is a HUGE, just HUGE misunderstanding of Marxism. You have to understand the context that Marxism was developed in. At the time there was the Bourgeoisie who owned everything and made money because they had assests. You know the whole "it takes money to make money" thing? Basically in Russia at the time there were two classes of people:
The Bourgeoisie who were snowholes who did absolutely nothing to contribute to society but lived off of basically interest of their inherited assets (one of Karl Marx's big ideas was "unearned income" - money that you get from being rich like interest and rent, instead of from contributing to society)
And the Proletariat which was the working class who worked hard and had nothing.
So Karl Marx was like "snow this", instead of money being given to the rich while the poor get nothing, everyone should work and everyone should get a share of the wealth. The government should own all of the assets that give unearned income. In his context this was a great idea. If you read his works the concept of welfare just doesn't occur to him, that was so far removed from the economic system he lived in. He wasn't trying to build a welfare state, he was trying to shut one down in a sense. If anything I think Karl Marx might consider welfare unearned income and be against modern communism.
You are wrong in some areas. Marx (and Engels) saw Western Europe as the base for the socialistic and then communistic society because they require developed industrial base and advanced level of class awareness (and thus antagonism - the bourgeoisie exploits and oppresses the proletariat, thus the proletariat rises and destroys the bourgeoisie which has become reactionary and obstructive to the social progress). At that time Russia was still semi-feudal, with very underdeveloped industry (actually there was no serious industry to speak of before Stalin's forced industrialization), the vast majority of the population still working as farmers who differ little from the recently abolished serfs. Before Marx's death there were maybe around a million people in Russia who could be called proletariat which was less than 1% of the entire population - compared to the proletarii in the industrialized European countries that's nothing. Russia was never meant to be the birthplace of Marxist-like societies, that role was for Britain, France, in some sense maybe Germany (but Marx himself always regarded it as more reactionary than the other European powers, not to mention that it was not united before Bismark). Fun fact is that both Marx and Engels regarded the US as one of the best examples of progressive society.

Also, the government and the state were not supposed to be anything more than tools which the proletariat would use in the early pre-communistic state of the new society to re-acquire what the capitalists have taken from them and redistribute it (more) evenly. At later stages the state was supposed to "die out" because it was expected to become obsolete as a social construct necessary to regulate the relations between the citizens - but this is getting into the wishful thinking areas of Marxism where no real scientific or philosophical justification is provided for such expectations.

Finally, as for the welfare, Marx considered it (in the very underdeveloped and mostly theoretical form that it had in XIX century) as a product of the "weak socialism", ultimately something that holds the revolution down by giving scraps to the masses to keep them content while in fact they are still exploited and oppressed. The modern welfare state in fact owes much to the Marxist ideologies and the fear of spreading the revolutionary movements across Europe, even though Marx himself might have not approved it indeed.

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Miru
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A leaf in the river of time
posted August 21, 2016 01:20 AM

You're clearly more familiar with him than I. I never finished reading Marx's book and it was a long time ago. I had forgotten that the farmers weren't part of the proletariat, and I don't think I ever knew the state dying out part.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted August 21, 2016 02:07 AM

It's the part that's referred as communism.

(Of course, nobody's usually that technical with their terminology and they call the socialist phase communism, too.)
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What if Elvin was female?
posted July 17, 2020 10:47 AM

Gnomes2169 said:
Been a little while since this was posted, and while not 900% accurate and beyond all reproach (I remember there being a 300 question version that was more in-depth) I feel like it's a bit more light-hearted than a lot of the topics we've had in here lately. Or at least, a bit more silly.

My results, to no one's surprise, are:


Solidly economically left-wing and socially libertarian. But not extremely so. Libertarian Socialist, rather than an Anarcho Communist. Unlike what some people would claim.


Didn’t we have a thread for this?





Pretty boringly in the centre economically although a bit more FREEEDOM than authority. A high variance depending on topic but generally libertarian.
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