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RedSoxFan3
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posted March 10, 2004 04:51 AM |
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PS: gorman, you are right in the middle. 
Socialists still rule. 
Socialists don't rule, IMO. I feel that this quiz is extremely inaccurate and bias towards leftists and socialists. Most of these questions are out of date. Take for example abortion. This is not something that in my opinion would determine authoritarianism or vice versa.
As you can see the middle of the road is about -3 to -4 economically and about -3 socially. Also, a lot of the time, the questions ask something that deals with both social issues and economic issues. Many of the questions are something that only extremists would agree with socially, but also throw in an economic issue as well. So basically what ends up happening is that you disagree with something and it shifts you towards being more liberal or social.
This test shows that everyone is more of a libertarian than even Ghandi. This is ridiculous. What a bias test.
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted March 10, 2004 11:50 PM |
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Hey Svarog! Thanks for the question/compliment.
My post on communism/capitalism comes from several sources:
1) instinct since I was a child about the treadmill nature of "progress";
2) personal experience as an Indian, in both dominant society and on Indian reservations;
2) my genetic heritage and divergent understanding of "human nature" --
all of which (1 through 3) led me to study the following areas in college and post-graduate studies:
a) economics (Communism incl. Marx; Keynesian v. Smithian principles and theories of capitalism);
b) anthropology and geography;
c) international relations;
d) fourth-world politics (basically a global study of the history and political status of all tribal peoples -- otherwise known as "organic nations" -- within the nation-state system)
4. My practice in Federal American Indian Law (which is an entire, distinct area of the law that most people don't even know exists.)
So if you're asking me whether I took that analysis from some other single source, the answer is no. But I did have all the sources above from personal experience and some fifteen years of study and practice (that was all eons ago) from which to draw in writing that post the other night.
And yes, most people would take some issue with various parts of the post, primarily (in my humble opinion) because they don't have as broad of a knowledge base to draw from as I do. My thesis as I stated it above is my own, and it has been suggested to me in the past that I should have developed it, written it and pursued a Master's degree with it.
<EDIT> That came out as "Marter's Degree" the first time I typed it. LOL No doo doo man...
However, I find nothing in your response with which I fundamentally disagree. Where others have said true communism has never been tried, I just wanted to point out (as I think your point is) that it has only not been tried out in the modern state-system, for the reasons I set forth. I suppose that was peoples' points though. So my argument was more in terms of clarification rather than disagreement. However, for many similar reasons, neither has pure capitalism been tried.
I think my main point was, in order to understand how pure economics operates within a given society, one has to have some knowledge of the demographic makeup of the region and take into consideration how that demographic makeup is both manifested and affected by the economic paradigm in place.
BTW, "socialism" is not a "tribe" per se. It is an economic/social principle of organization. This organizing principle may be used by nations (tribes) or nation-states (countries). Now you may be using the term loosely to affiliate with others around the globe who share your socio-political viewpoints, so I acknolwedge that. But for that particular post I was using the term "tribe" to refer to groups of people with a common historic, genetic, religious, linguistic background and homeland territory. Again -- not to disagree, just to distinguish.
I am only anti nation-state insofar as the nation-state arbitrarily imposes its authority on indigenous peoples drawn within its boundaries against their will (which includes just about every indigenous population on the planet by now). The nation state has just as much rights to exist by the choice of nationals. But that right to exist should be equally applied to all.
Also, the mindset of the modern world, that progress is a good thing per se, is not necessarily shared by tribals. Tribals tend to have a whole separate life ethic, focused on relationships with family and the Creator. "Progress" and extensive manipulation of one's environment to "improve" things is not necessary when the subsistence economy developed over thousands of years continues to operate smoothely and uninterrupted; and it (progress) is not necessary in the pursuit of things truly important to Tribals. In fact, the two pursuits tend to be antithetical -- "progress" being directed to the external change of things in order to achieve some sort of "happiness" through those external changes, and the tribal ethic being directed to internal spiritual growth and time to invest in one's relatives. This is a generalization, but a fairly accurate one that is one of the fundamental things that set Tribals apart from nationals.
This is an important distinction for people to keep in mind. When one is discussing tribal fate, one needs to remember that the "rightness" of "progress" is not necessarily presumed.
Thanks Svarog. This is a fun dialogue. It might suggest, however, that we need a third dimension to the political grid: National v. Tribal.
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Wiseman
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posted March 12, 2004 01:26 PM |
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"If you ask me, whether I’m prepared to sacrifice speed of technological progress, in order to achieve general happiness and egalitarianism, I undoubtedly agree."
The general happiness and egalitarianism might be
more important than technology(with which we exterminate
ourselves faster due to our imaturity as a race) in the
longrun (humanity-wise longrun),but human beings don`t think
that way.We think longrun in terms of our own short lives
(which are ridiculosly short humanity wise),or possibly
few generations in future.Hence we are interested only
in fast technological progress ,wanting to see the fruits of our advancement in our time.
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted March 12, 2004 08:21 PM |
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Wiseman --
Actually, short-run thinking is also a western cultural trait.
Most tribals either:
a) have no concept of time (the time is always "now") or
b) think seven generations into the future and plan their social activities/developments accordingly, and/or
c) don't need to worry about the effects of the "rapid pace of technology" because their economies and technologies are nearly always constructed in ways that are perpetually compatible with the environments to which they are indigenous.
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femella
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posted March 13, 2004 06:42 PM |
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my results from the compass:
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03
no enough time for comment.
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Svarog
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statue-loving necrophiliac
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posted March 16, 2004 09:53 PM |
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Intersting piece of “Marter’s Degree” you have there, Peacemaker. A being of your education; hmmm, makes me wonder why you stay calm and objective in most of the debates going on here, when I know you can run over us with your knowledge. Anyway, I respect that a lot.
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Thanks Svarog. This is a fun dialogue. It might suggest, however, that we need a third dimension to the political grid: National v. Tribal.
Lol. You might even end up with 12-dimensional cube, if you go on like this. (it’s not that i mind it, but i don’t think i can provide you with the diagram )
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BoogieMan
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posted March 18, 2004 08:27 PM |
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Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.41
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The BoogieMan wrote ... and saw that it was good.
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mvassilev
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posted May 28, 2004 01:15 AM |
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Trogdor
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Words in a custom title
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posted May 28, 2004 12:27 PM |
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Economic Left/Right: -0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.85
Future Gorbachev in the making, I think.
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Consis
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Of Ruby
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posted March 30, 2005 09:30 AM |
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*Sigh*....
I've waited a long time to take this test. I've always felt it was filled with 'loaded' questions. Now I know I was right.
Here are my results:
Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.41
It was obviously designed to reflect an extremist socialist view of humanity. When answering the questions it became clear to me that you either answered correctly or you were a philisophical monster whom loathed humanity in general. I obviously donot hate humanity therefore the test was rigged to show people of compassion supporting leftist theories. No surprise.....
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ratmonky
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Abu Hur Ibn Rashka
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posted March 30, 2005 06:31 PM |
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here are my results:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13
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Dies illa, dies irae,
Calamitatis et miseriae.
Requiem aeternum
Dona eis, dona eis Domine.
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Wolfman
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posted March 30, 2005 07:56 PM |
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Here is a better one, shorter and more accurate.
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Consis
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Of Ruby
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posted March 30, 2005 08:47 PM |
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Results of Wolfman's Link:
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 50%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 20%.
Centrists espouse a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice. Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind, tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.
 This test was far from acceptable. It was worse than the other one
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Roses Are RedAnd So Am I
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Wolfman
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posted March 30, 2005 10:46 PM |
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ACCORDING TO YOUR ANSWERS,
You fall exactly on the border
of two political philosophies...
CONSERVATIVE
LIBERTARIAN
CONSERVATIVES tend to favor economic freedom, but frequently
support laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional
values." They oppose excessive government control of business,
while endorsing government action to defend morality and the
traditional family structure. Conservatives usually support a strong
military, oppose bureaucracy and high taxes, favor a free-market
economy, and endorse strong law enforcement.
LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal
and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government;
one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion
and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual
responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes,
promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the
free market, and defend civil liberties.
Why was this one wosre? It didn't have loaded questions and was straight forward.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted March 30, 2005 11:03 PM |
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Seriously, Wolfman...
"The World's Smallest Political Quiz" more accurate than the Plitical Compass? It was so libertarian-biased that I almost didn't take it, it was grossly unnuanced (with only three options) and it had too few questions. Not too mention that it only had the American spectre of political "categories"...
Anyway, according to this thing, I'm:
LIBERAL
LIBERALS usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net"
to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.
Sure, it's not exactly innaccurate, but there's great differences between socialists and liberals, who this test just bundels up as "left".
It's less great differences between conservatives and liberalists (in the test named by the American expression - libertarians), the two major right wing "categories", but they both get a quadrant each...
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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ratmonky
Famous Hero
Abu Hur Ibn Rashka
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posted March 31, 2005 05:20 PM |
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Hey, i'm liberal too!
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 10%.
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Dies illa, dies irae,
Calamitatis et miseriae.
Requiem aeternum
Dona eis, dona eis Domine.
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Aquaman333
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of the seven seas
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posted April 10, 2005 06:20 AM |
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Your PERSONAL issues Score is 40%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 60%
More centrist than I would have expected.
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"Brian, look! There's a message in my Alphabits! It says,
"OOOOOOO!"."
"Peter, those are Cheerios."-Family Guy
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Wiseman
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posted April 10, 2005 08:21 AM |
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Truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head.
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Wolfman
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posted April 11, 2005 07:48 PM |
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Looks like my test is more accurate and is becoming popular.
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mvassilev
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posted July 14, 2006 06:57 PM |
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Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 30%.
Here's another test.
http://www.okcupid.com/politics
Here I got
You are a
Social Liberal
(66% permissive)
and an...
Economic Liberal
(38% permissive)
You are best described as a:
Democrat
You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.
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Eccentric Opinion
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