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Errr... yeah, that was it just a misclick 
BTW, thanks to everyone who is trying to make the tavern better! There has been some good things happening here lately 
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I don't think that the Swimsuit vs Underwear thread is a Vibrant Wombats Volcanic Wastelands material, I would like to see it in the tavern
Just one complaint... Please remove the male underwear photos!!!   
Kookie I asure you that I will continue to spam the thread even after the move 
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I agree, no one wants to loos at men undies.
Women are used to looking at other women undies.
Come on women pose together naked, most of thier private conversation is in the bathroom not to mention they change together.
Plus women find other women attractive & they can get away with saying that.
Now you wont find 2 dudes posing together.
You wont see 2 dudes talking in orivate in the bathroom.
You dont see 2 guys thinking one is attractive.
ORLESS they are what they are .
Women can be straight & think like that.
I concur, no male underwear
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Hey Hey HEy!!! I said nothing about awarding Kookie a QP! 
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Only to move the thread... But... Hmmm... I guess...
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But what the heck lol, enjoy ^^
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Kookie deserves one just because she's Kookie
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Can I get one of TNTie's QPs ?
He has too many and I don't have enough imho. Plus he didn't keep his promise (made in my birthday thread) and I couldn't help but notice he is further ripping off my Legendary smileys combos !
What next ? He'll get a QP for the originality of my his jokes ?!
    
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I am sure Kooky remembers when I told her that women on here have a better chance in getting QP then men .
I think depending on who they are the % increases by 10-20.
If you dont believe me, look up most popular women on here
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posted July 13, 2006 02:09 AM |
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TNTINA what do you expect
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So much too say, where to start… I guess the beginning would be good.
I am disappointed with the lack of quality that has plagued the tavern for the past six months, maybe more. Recently I find it more entertaining to read the VW, or the Other side. Like seriously look at the first page of the Tavern. I would say there are three good threads there right now and two of them were made years ago. I try my best to make the occasional random funny thread, in hopes that people will contribute, maybe a few good tosses, but one thread from one member does not do much does it? TNT and FoG are the only people IMO who make good funny threads on this forum. To a lesser extent, Guitarn00b, Kookie, and Iris also post some quality.
We have members who can make some damn good threads and tosses that can keep up with me.
So what is the problem?
Ill tell ya what the problem is! I have two theories.
1) It seems everyone has gone VW crazy. There is more quality down there than in the tavern. Once the VW opened, it seemed people stopped spamming in the Tavern all together. Although this is good, it is also a problem. Allow me to explain. When good members spam, it is usually funny, and worth reading. Those members need to post that kind of stuff in the tavern too. Look through some of the vets bonuses. Let us say, Bort and the Old man. You read through some of their Qp posts, and it looks similar to the kind of stuff that is getting dumped in the VW everyday. It is funny, spontaneous and everyone gets a good laugh out of it. Just check out these threads. You guys post this kinda stuff in the VW Drinking Game, OldTimer takes a Bath
2) The second theory links in with Pans thread about “Qp Hunting”. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems as though a lot of members are Qp hunting. Because of this, they only post a good thread once every 3 weeks or so because they have to search the internet for it or copy someone else’s idea without making it too obvious, and changing it enough to still get a bonus for it. If members consistently post constructively, you will be rewarded. You do not have to post one massive thread that is the king daddy of all threads, gets a Qp and then dies off. You can post many threads, all equally funny and all sparking conversation and tosses. This is what made the Tavern the fun place it used to be. I would much rather read a short thread, that has originality and starts up a great conversation than someone who copies some crap off the internet, that’s worded with a vocabulary that they don’t even use, and dies once it gets a Qp because that's all the member wanted.
Now before you go all off at me about living in the “Golden Era” or whatever, the Golden Era is what you make it. There were always spammers, always complaints always Qp hunting. Difference was if you filtered through all the crap, there where about five members who consistently posted something great every week. I consider this the “Golden Era” because these members were my inspiration when I first joined. The likes of Cat, Bort, The_Gootch, OldTimer, Sir_Elric etc always contributed to the community. The tavern used to be the hardest forum to moderate. You would check a thread in Tavern in the morning, and by dinnertime, so many people had posted in the tavern that thread had moved to the second or third page. I want to bring HC back up to that level again.
These members are gone now, aside from Gootch who lurks in corners, and Bort who randomly appears to toss anyone whose viewpoint differs from his. So, those members I listed before, you guys have the natural talent to be funny. You have to become the new role model for n00bs. Throw in Vlaad or Conan for some intellect, Aculias for variety, and there is your new golden era right there.
@ Those same members, did you ever read TT? Although it was quite meticulous with who to let in, it was a place where everyone gathered and tossed the **** out of each other. You guys are doing that too, but in random threads scattered throughout the VW, which will eventually be deleted. Why not make a nice TT style thread, in the Tavern, where we can toss each other (mainly pecu) without moderator intervention? I would make another TT, but out of respect for Hamsi, I wont.
Another problem I have seemed to notice is a lot of members are too slack to continue on with a thread. Everyone just wants to post arbitrary crap in the VW. Nobody can be bothered maintaining a Tavern or some sort of game anymore. Heck, the only game threads left in HC are in the VW and require little to no effort. It appears nobody can be stuffed putting that much effort in. What happened to Mark your territory, RSF did a great job overseeing that. Not to dig up a previous issue, but Stefan always came out with some high-quality ideas, and always had the persistence to see them through. Like the game where we all had to impress some Swedish chick. Not many members I know would go to the extent to organise that AND keep it running.
Therefore, to sum everything up, I want to make HC a place where you know that when you visit after work, there will be something new and interesting. I want to get you tosser foos out of that dump of rotting manure you call the VW, and into the Tavern. Stop Qp hunting and just be spontaneous, I know TNT is. Do things to liven up HC, not for your own personal gain, but just to make this a better place for everyone. Sometimes the most random, out of nowhere thread can be one of the best.
Im pretty sure i have said all i have to say. If i missed anything i will just add it into a future post. I would appreciate any input any member has. No spam or off topic posts please.
EDIT: @ Aculias. Dont bring up all that stuff about qp favouratism etc etc. Man we could argue for days about that stuff and still not get through to anyone. Just dont bother dude.
EDIT 2: Just wanted to add a bit more. I think people are like scared or something to post anything relative to spam/humor outside of the wastelands. Isn't the point of the board for people to have fun? If they're having fun with drivel, what does it matter? Why is there this sudden push to make the board a dry, sterile place? If people are arguing, so what? People have opinions, people disagree. What is this, a tea party? Yeah, it can get out of hand, but I, for one think that people should be given a long leash rather than a short one. Besides, its funny watching people toss with aculias. lol
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Actually I am not.
I had a theory for a long time & this is what it is.
It seems you have to have a Quality thread to make it in the tavern.
People just want to have fun & thats why the tavern was made in the past.
But you have to have a good thread to even make it in the tavern.
Originally the VW was made for crap threads that are supposed to be on pending for deleting.
Thats it.
These guys dont know that or if they did, they dont take it serious.
Basically what I am trying to say is the Mods turned the tavern into some Glory place that you have to make a thread in the Wastelands.
If it's good enough then it MIGHT go in the tavern.
Main reason is the lack of moderatorship.
Wheres ShadowCaster & Pandora?
Pandora comes in for a quick joke then leaves & Shadow Caster is active once every 3 weeks.
Even if Pandora is watching behind the shadows, thats still not active.
Basically the VW is our new place to go.
We got it to where VW is the tavern.
One way or another theres only room for one tavern & it looks like the Wastelands is where it's at.
Redsoxfan is active & thats why VW is the way it is today.
Plus people these days are here for fun.
I guess I have to give credit where it's given.
In the past I always tried to keep the tavern fun.
Recently Stiven kept it entertained.
So it seems if you have a normal topic then it is not allowed in the tavern.
So my theory is unfortunately Favortism but not on us but threads.
Why the heck do we have to say that this should be good enough for the tavern.
WTF is that, we should just post in there.
Tavern is a place for us to sit down & chat like we do in the wastelands, not the other way around.
This is a new breed of people & the atmosphere is alot different then it was before.
Orless we all can work on it.
Theres nothing really we can do.
I vote to either make VW the way it was intended for or we get rid of one of the two places.
Looks like the Tavern needs to go unfortunately.
We really dont need 2 of the same places.
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I agree with most of what you say aculias but there are some points i disagree with.
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Thats what i was trying to get at. People think u gotta make a super thread to be in the tavern these days.
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Originally the VW was made for crap threads that are supposed to be on pending for deleting.
How could i forget. But not only pending deletion threads, but also anything that was totaly stupid and not worthy of the tavern. All those threads in VW where everyone is having a good ol' chat should be posted in the tavern.
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WTF is that, we should just post in there.
Tavern is a place for us to sit down & chat like we do in the wastelands, not the other way around.
After that huge post i made above, nothing sums it up better than what you have written here.
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Looks like the Tavern needs to go unfortunately.
We really dont need 2 of the same places.
Wrong aculias. Why would you remove the tavern? If you HAD to remove one you would remove the wastelands. Tavern has over 70 pages worth of history.
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Well first before I EDIT & reply to you Slayer I wanted to say a couple stuff.
First it's not the mods fault in the tavern because thier just like us & thier doing thier job.
It's not thier job to keep the tavern going.
We need entertainment.
Second is the main reason the tavern is dead to only a few threads.
It's not only because the tavern is QP material for the tavern but we have 2 taverns.
One needs to change or one needs to go.
As long as theres 2 taverns then one forum will be dead.
I would prefer the wastelands because of the hugh history the tavern has.
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In your first post you say that this decline in Tavern activity is also due to moderation. but in the post you just made you say we cant blame the mods... make up your mind man.
But, I have already stated why Tavern is dead in my post, and you backed it up. No need to continue arguing over minor issues. The reason i made that post was to aware members of this. I also wanted to list some possible solutions. I made a few in my post, and you made the possibility of removing one, or reverting the VW to what it used to be. Anything else?
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Yea i know, I thought about what I said but i wont edit it.
I never edit before until recently & thats only on spelling check .
Personally I think we should let the tavern die off & just let it be the golden era.The people who never been in the tavern during those times dont know how it was.
They came here originally thinking the VW is what the tavern is now.
I say let the tavern be locked up & looked at in history.
Newcomers wont look or post in there.
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True, but then we will never get HC back to the quality and activity it used to be. People have to stop being lazy, and not so scared to post threads outside of VW. Im pretty sure sox has said this too...
Wastelands Does Not Equal Tavern.
But at the end of the day i can sit here and give suggestions to improve activity, and i can bring up all the issues that most people wont pick up... but unless people are willing to act, i may as well just delete my post and go to bed.
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I dont think they care Slayer so might as well let them do what they want.
If it was a rule, Valeriy would of said it by now.
Might as well let it go
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Deja Vu all over again
Sometimes I think HC is on a loop and no matter what we do, eventually we get to the same place.
I guess before I say anything I should say that the timing here isn't perfect - lately there have been some good things happening here and I don't want it to seem like that's not noticed. I'm posting with reference to recent months - not weeks. I think there have been a lot of posters that have been trying to breathe some life back into the tavern and i really love seeing it.
The big forum split up was a huge blow to the tavern, there's no denying that. The biggest problem is the VW for sure... the line between spam and not spam is so fine that sometimes good stuff gets wasted in the VW, and sometimes sheer crap gets in here
I don't think anyone has ever really gotten the idea of 'what goes where'. As much as it may seem that I'm in the shadows most of teh time, I will tell you that a lot of my shadow times is spent fighting for the tavern I was am quite opposed to the archiving idea in the VW, I think it confuses things even more.
I wish so much that we could have this discussion without QP's coming into play. Sometimes QP's are the most destructive force around here... It would be awesome if QPs became everyones second goal - and their first goal was just to make this place somewhere they'd have more fun visiting. I don't see how or why seeing one red star is more rewarding than seeing 10 new replies on their thread.
I'm not saying to get rid of the system, cuz I do like it. I just question why it has to be some people's only motivation. When I started modding I used to get IM's like "how can I make my thread better" now all I get is "can I have a star" or "why did member X get a star here". Its so disheartening.
People really need to look at the tavern as a place to have fun with friends and a place to go to make new friends. Posts don't need to be giant sparkly comedic essays to get a QP, they just need to try to capture the spirit of what the tavern is supposed to be.
I'll say again that I think there are members now who get that, and I hope they continue so maybe more people out there will catch on too
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I've also been interested in getting the Tavern up and running again, but I think the whole process is being held back by subtle reasons as well as those mentioned earlier.
Being yourself.
I heard a lot of us tell newer members to simply be themselves in how they interact socially at HC. Hence, plagiarism is discouraged and newbies are encouraged to establish their own unique identities in the forums. That's good, but there can be drawbacks to this when it comes to posting with originality and even quality. What if you're not very good at coming up with new good ideas? What if you enjoy topics that the majority of others aren't into? What if you don't write very well? I think these are barriers we don't always consider. Let's face it; there are going to be members who aren't too creative or original in their thinking (I'm one of them). There'll be others who are just sloppy at making readable posts. When these members fail in their efforts, should we just tell them to forget about QPs or being positive contributions to the community? Of course not, but rather, we must find ways to approach them and bring them to a better understanding of how they can improve.
When you're honestly being yourself, you're also trying not to be an obvious outsider attempting to fit in with the "in crowd". In other words, you won't force yourself to research football for the sole purpose of being a part of a popular HC discussion on the sport. Similarly, you won't fake a serious effort in an Other Side philosophy thread if you know you absolutely hate philosophy in RL. After all, there's no point going to extremes for something if your heart isn't there. Thus, it's sad how some of HC's most popular and engaging threads leave some aspiring members cold. And frankly, sometimes members just don't know where to start.
A Matter of Taste
Continuing along the same lines, members' personal tastes on various topics has a heavy impact on the success of threads. Making a long explanation short, some members will lose out since their interests largely differ from the majority's. Some will make honest efforts, but even these will not necessarily make a big impact in the Tavern.
Earning QPs is one thing, but there's also the satisfaction you get from starting a topic that a lot of members can get into. Even if you aren't rewarded a QP, it's often a joy to see others enjoying something that originated with you. Unfortunately, like the deal with QPs, this uplifting feeling can be hard to achieve as well.
Here's a fictitious example. Let's say I wanted to boost the Tavern activity by starting a thread about how I really enjoyed an R.E.M. concert. I do so, and I simply lose myself in quality writing. I wrote all about the experience and spent a great many paragraphs expressing my love for that band. When I was done, I waited anxiously for people to give me some feedback. Let's say it's been a long time since I earned my last QP, so a mod graciously rewarded this new effort. Wonderful, I got a shiny new QP. But let's assume a lot of members hate R.E.M. to pieces and totally ignored my thread. Perhaps someone like LegendMaker wrote a comment and maybe Terje offered a compliment, but that's it. The thread died at four or five posts and slowly descended to the second and third Tavern pages. Hence, despite being rewarded for being myself and sharing what I love, I still failed in my attempt to liven up the Tavern. I kind of feel good, but not very much so.
For myself, I'm currently at a dry patch as far as new ideas are concerned. As I've stated above, I'm not exactly a person whose mind is always brimming with widely-favorable thread ideas. A quick search through HC's history (via the search function) will often prove that my current ideas are far from original. I've one really funny idea I'm planning on doing, but it's going to take me a long time to plan and finish. So, I'm going to have to brainstorm some more.
A quick comment about Tossers Tavern. It was pretty big for providing the community with one of many opportunities to have a good time. People apparently got a kick out of it, so I respected it for the good experiences it brought HC. For me, however, it was hard to fit in with the tosser atmosphere. I clearly wasn't compatible, so I remained distant for much of the time. I knew that there was little I could contribute since it wasn't the place for me. Sadly, TT was one of those threads where you either had to be "with it" or had to get lost.
I'd also like to warn against encouraging spontaneity in posting, particularly among newer, unexperienced members. When I was just starting out, I was tempted to start some of the usual cliche'd thread topics you'd expect from me (music, H3 singleplayer, etc). Luckily for me, I noticed all the "repeated topic; thread closed" messages from mods in various subforums, which made me cautious about starting the same things over and over again. Had I chosen to just dive in and do whatever I wanted on impulse, I'd have gotten a lot of similar warnings from mods (and flames from veteran members). I can imagine that a lot of the stuff I would've posted wouldn't have had very much depth to it.
The way I see it, some people are good at improving the Tavern through their innate posting abilities, while others are lesser or even bland in comparison. Since a lot of the "quality" members chose to desert HC, we have to accept that the Tavern will have its busy and quiet times. Maybe time will allow for more inspiration and creative thinking, or perhaps not. I think it'll be okay just as long as members act honestly and try their best.
I'd write more, but I have to arrive at soundcheck pretty soon.
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