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Thanks Pan and Guitarguy for your thoughts.
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I wish so much that we could have this discussion without QP's coming into play. Sometimes QP's are the most destructive force around here... It would be awesome if QPs became everyones second goal - and their first goal was just to make this place somewhere they'd have more fun visiting. I don't see how or why seeing one red star is more rewarding than seeing 10 new replies on their thread.
So true. People are only posting threads in the wastelands. Anything posted in the Tavern must be Qp material, or have a touch of seriousness to it. Or so everyone is believing atm.
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People really need to look at the tavern as a place to have fun with friends and a place to go to make new friends. Posts don't need to be giant sparkly comedic essays to get a QP, they just need to try to capture the spirit of what the tavern is supposed to be.
But Pan as a mod you really need to work towards enforcing this. The fact that people put some great stuff in the VW means you need to set the standard both there and here. I may even bring it up in the tribunal to have the VW reverted to what it used to be, a place for dying threads. However i will wait to see how things pan out...(no pun intended  )
I understand what your saying GG, but theres some things i wanna discuss. You talk about not being creative, spontaneous, basically not a Tavern person. This has a simple answer. I guess trying to improve the Tavern isn't your forte. But if you really want Qp's or you want the more important discussion, you can always go down to one of the HoMM forums, or even the Glade.
With regards to tossers Tavern, not everyone was told to leave and such. Only people who came in and spammed. Members like Asmodean made easy entry. You just have to think hard about your first post
Well i see a little more activity in the Tavern. Maybe my *****ing has worked lol.
Oh wait i have another issue to bring up, but Pan wont like it. Its to do with Qp's. There have been so little Qp's handed out recently for just classic, original, funny threads. They have all gone into big monster, possibly funny threads that die off. I would like to see more Qp's invested into threads that are funny, and spark up great atmosphere. I would also like to see more Qp's for discussions, although i see that has already gone into play with "Swimsuit vs Underwear".
Good work Pan, beer for you!
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I agree that the line between spam and posts worth keeping around does drive people away, but it's also the breadth of topics that can go into the Tavern. Because any post that doesn't belong elsewhere inevitably ends up in either the Tavern or the VW, it's hard to accurately define just what purpose the posts in the Tavern should pursue that separates it from its little "brother". It's much easier to post in the Wastelands because there's no real limit to what can go there. That's the nature of that particular forum, and that's great, but I think it's saddening to see the Tavern meshed with the Wastelands when considering their respective reasons for existing.
As I see it, the primary purpose of the Tavern is much akin to what a real tavern would be: a place to gather and swap interesting things you've found which can merit some response, or to share a game or story with someone else while simply getting to better know who they are. Most of the time, it lets people see more of who you are, but the variety of those accomplishments makes this forum the vibrant place that it has been in the past and will hopefully become again someday.
Most people could discern where a thread should be posted if they really considered it, so here's my advice: sit and think about what you have written before you hit the post button. Would you see this thread lasting a week before the responses stop? A month? A year? If more people did this, and more strove for the latter option, then I believe the activity here would pick up again. It doesn't have to be a huge post to earn a spot here, it just has to involve more than a passing idea. At least in my eyes.
I think Pan puts it best...
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People really need to look at the tavern as a place to have fun with friends and a place to go to make new friends. Posts don't need to be giant sparkly comedic essays to get a QP, they just need to try to capture the spirit of what the tavern is supposed to be.
I couldn't agree more.
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posted July 24, 2006 05:19 AM |
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Nice of you to post Shadow
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it's hard to accurately define just what purpose the posts in the Tavern should pursue that separates it from its little "brother".
Well heres one example. That thread "Bah" has nothing to do with anything. That is VW standards. No offence to the thread creator. "What color is MM", i think should go into the TAvern. Its interesting, funny, most people are participating in it. Theres just a couple from the ever-growing list.
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First of all, I corrected some minor BIG errors in my post. I left out some very important words that really changed the flow, so it's fixed now.
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I understand what your saying GG, but theres some things i wanna discuss. You talk about not being creative, spontaneous, basically not a Tavern person. This has a simple answer. I guess trying to improve the Tavern isn't your forte. But if you really want Qp's or you want the more important discussion, you can always go down to one of the HoMM forums, or even the Glade.
I agree with the green part, but I think the red really, really depends. It was very hard for me to find my place at the beginning, since I basically joined HC to get some questions answered and I had no long-term expectations at the time. I developed a mindset early on that said I wouldn't earn any QPs because I was a crappy Heroes player. It appeared to be that way because this was a Heroes forum and I was mostly exposed to the Library and Heroes-related topics. Seeing devils with glowing eyes repeatedly score QPs from strategy posts made Library activity seem very attractive, but only with an shroud of futility hanging over me. Several months in, it was definitely fruitless.
QPs seemed desirable, but I was more focused on making posts that were generally accepted by others. But being new at posting here, I had to find good area to operate in. VW seemed like a safe zone for posting, the Tavern's purpose was a little confusing, the Other Side and Other Games seemed reasonable, etc. After going at it for a while, I learned a lot about my posting ability and forum preferences.
So DS, I only really disagree with "you can always go down to". It never quite worked for me, but if it works for anybody else, awesome.
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With regards to tossers Tavern, not everyone was told to leave and such. Only people who came in and spammed. Members like Asmodean made easy entry. You just have to think hard about your first post
Here's the point I'm trying to get at about TT. People who weren't compatible with tossing activities (yet still desired to participate) went about posting there in whatever manner they were comfortable with. The negative results ranged from boring cheap shots to blatant insults, which were very much frowned upon by the seasoned tossers. Some "un-initiated" individuals eventually learned how to toss correctly, but a lot of others didn't. When these tosser wannabes failed to make anything funny or meaningful, they were criticized and spam would often result. When that happened, the quality state of the then-current TT would go down. When you think about it, it just seemed silly for those wannabes to continue trying to fit in. It was either they became good at tossing, or they didn't. There didn't seem to be much breathing room for failed wannabes without leaving a bad mark on TT.
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posted July 24, 2006 11:22 AM |
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I agree with what gg said
Ahhh you may have noticed by my number of red stars that this is not a driving force for me being here, or for my posts.
I also think that it is a bit strange to assume that people who really are trying to start an interesting thread in the tavern are only doing so because they are QP hunting. I guess if they HCM the mods and ask for one then they are lol. {don't do that foos, seriously }
Anyway, I think the/a problem is that it is virtually impossible to know what will be a toss {your VW} thread and a tavern discussion until after the thread gets going. I mean, who's to say that blah thread wouldn't have ended in stimulating discussion, or that some of the threads that have done wouldn't have fallen flat.
It really depends on whether people will post, and what they post in response to no matter what the topic is. As for the length of time the thread will keep going, well I don't think too many go on for all that long. Which brings the whole idea of them living forever in the Tavern as an issue as well. The tavern already has a heap of pages and this would go on indefinately unless the mods decide to clean some of the old/new dead threads out. And this may upset people too.
I guess it really doesn't matter if there are a couple of hundred pages in there...
WTF am I saying here... blahblah.
I agree that it is a bit intimidating starting new threads - especially in there because you think - will anyone really care enough about this. And then there definately is the mentality that we spammers are just spamming the tavern lol
Anyway, I get your point. And I guess I feel the same way about the VW as you do about the tavern - which is your point right?
Do these threads need to live forever, or is OK if we have a laugh and then they are deleted, and then we {well not me really  }make new ones? Dunno.
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posted July 24, 2006 11:26 AM |
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I agree that it is a bit intimidating starting new threads - especially in there because you think - will anyone really care enough about this.
Who cares. Dont be scared. I started a similar thread to Borts, expecting to get tossed because of it, but i didnt. just take the chance.
I agree with what you said though about everything depending on what members post, but if its funny and it makes you laugh, most members on the forum would think the same.
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Who cares. Dont be scared. I started a similar thread to Borts, expecting to get tossed because of it, but i didnt. just take the chance.
I think it can be intimidating when you first begin posting at a forum. I've noticed that a lot of forums out there aren't very friendly if you start out on the wrong foot, and some of the veteran post critics can be downright nasty. HC isn't too bad, but you wouldn't have known that when you just signed on.
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I agree with what you said though about everything depending on what members post, but if its funny and it makes you laugh, most members on the forum would think the same.
Humor brings us back to the matter of individual taste. I've thought up and posted funny comments before that made me chuckle, but sometimes people don't think they're funny. Sometimes people don't even acknowledge that I attempted to be funny. Once again, it depends.
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WTF am I saying here... blahblah.
Ah, the usual utterance whenever I hit the "submit" button. 
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posted July 24, 2006 12:10 PM |
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I have something else i want to bring up. Val is too lack to talk to me about it on msn so ill say here.
Mods. There arent enough. 5 mods, trying to control 6 forums, most of which are very busy. Look at Pan, she is modding like 5 forums or something like that. We need more, so mods can specialise in one or two forums and know exactly what to expect for their forum. That might also help with the VW/Tavern dispute.
GG, i think your funny. Everytime you post you put -guitarguy at the end lol
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War of generations
I've hesitated a lot if I want to have my input here or not. But after all, it won't hurt. Right, right?
First of all, a little about myself. If you look at my first profile you can get the exact date but I remember I joined HC some time in 2002. This makes me a poster here in the last 4 years. By HC standarts I'm considered a "dinosaur". If you think about it though, in the general life 4 years of membership is a ridiculous amount of time to call yourself a "dinosaur". Well why? Because online, in the Internet world, time runs in a different way. Online communities evolve very fast.
I consider myself a first-generation HC member. I can also say there is one generation per year, so you could say there have been 4 generations so far. It's also that every year there is this very topic and this very kind of conversation only though with different members. Some stay and turn into dinosaurs, some turn their backs and never come back.
SO basically what I see now is the war of the children shouting at their granmas and granpas to free some space for the youth. Granma and granpa should kids have no respect. This is probably happening at your own home too. It's no novelty.
I'm not taking a side in this discussion, not directly. I can understand how the mods are less than eloquent in this situation. It's because, like I said this topic is brough up every year and it's tiring to go through the same thing all over again. How do you call that, burned out? Board-weary? Faces are different, voices are different but down at the basics it's the same thing all over again, it's the war of the generations.
You have to have realized it by now and I don't even have to point this out to you is that there ALWAYS will be people who will be content and people who won't be. Well you can't make everyone happy. Just like a friend of mine said, the best just like the worst thing about multiplayer games is that you play with other people. The same rule applies for any (online) community. There will always be clash of interests and clashes of perception. Have that in mind when you go arguing. I would have been some shocked if "youth" and "dinosaurs" would have the same interests and priorities. That would smell. Smell bad.
In regard to the QPs, this topic is brought up every 5-6 month. I can attest that it was a current topic when I was brand now. So QPs are an evergreen. Who deserves and does not deserve a QP just can't get off the sticky topics. Of course there always will be members who'd rack their brains what kind of thread or reply to make to get that wonderful "bonus applied" at the top of their posts. I've also noticed these are the newer posters on the board. Why is that so?
Before all stars are seen as a written token of respect. I have red stars, I'm a recognized member. I have yellow stars, I'm everywhere, I've been here for a long time, I've seniority priviledge over you. It's how do I put it, a mark of fame and rank. It's also true that currently because the board has been up for a while, there are quite a few number of people with lots of starts, red and yellow. I see striving for stars as a way to prove that "I'm the same level if not better than them".
With time people tend to realize that it's not the stars, it's what they post that works towards rank and fame. If you look to the left of my profile, you're going to see 4 red and 3 yellow stars. Fine, if it was 2 red and 5 yellow, would you think of me as a poster any differently? I seriously doubt it. I've been around long enough to justify people opinion on me - some of it being positive and some of it being negative. Don't think I hold myself in such high esteem. I know perfectly well my style isn't everyone's cup of tea, neither is the lenght of my posts. This makes no difference, really. I've been around long enough not to care for stars any more.
Don't get me wrong. It doesn't mean that if they take off half of my stars I'll sit back and shrug. It doesn't mean at all that I'm not happy when I get a star. It pets my ego, I have to admit. My point here is that if I don't get a star for a post I think is worth a QP, I don't lose sleep over it. Neither you should. There is plenty of fish in the sea. Finally someone will like a post of mine and I'll be rewarded.
I think the people trying so bad to get QPs are those who feel they're not respected or famous enough. Think about it people. Bugging a mod or other posters with "this deserves a QP, gimmmmme" is not going to make you more respected. Neither is shouting at the "oldies" they have to retire because they are "old" and "old-fashioned".
As for the Tavern and the VW I have to say one thing. Youth of HC (you know who you are) do not come and argue what kind of time we had back in the early days. You were not there, you don't know. Reading the old threads won't give you the spirit. HC was different there. People were different. We were having great great fun because the magic was new and fresh and we were just getting about to know each other. The Tavern was different too. I really want these tmes to be back but I'm wiser than to think so. Shae Trielle is gone, Sha_Men, Oldtimer, Wesley, Romana, Hexa, Lith, Preserver, RMS, Unka Haakon, Djive, Zud, Craig_Hack, many others. Some of them still hang around but they are ghosts. Some found the meaning of the world "real-life", some just got "board-weary". It happens to most people.
For you "youth of HC", I have to tell you this. You were here for short and you want to have it your own way. Respect what others have worked for much before you came. This HC is alive because exactly these "dinosaurs" have spent hours and hours of their free time doing innovating or getting vexed by smurfs and trolls and dealing with crap you don't witness. I think members like our sweet, adorable TNT (no irony here) should be made mod, for say, a month, to get a taste of what it is to be a mod. People suddenly come to attack you that you favor YOUR friends. You can't make everyone happy. Really. You can't. People are subjective beings and have opinion. That's why we can never be totally just and impartial. If we were no one would want us around because we'd be too boring. It's soooo easy to point the finger but power also means responsibility.
To you mods, try not to behave "granpa and granma". It's a great idea to keep order (That sword says Hero of Order... don't it) but overdoing it... that's a different matter. People want to have fun... well, let them be. Board's for members. We can't have all cerebral talk. That's what the Monitor is for, isn't it? Just like children a little spanking keeps manners in check. Only a little. ;-) For your consolation, no matter how bad you try, members will always sulk and be unhappy... alas.
I don't mean to offend or hurt anyone's feelings with this. If you felt this way, we can discuss it in private. After all granma just couldn't resist shaking her finger. Age takes all the fun from you. And I don't mean HC.
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How good to see you still taking an interest Lady milena.
I want to be the first to reply to this good post you have made, however i am studying for exams right now. I will edit this later will a decent reply.
Edit: and here we go...
Milena i think this discussion has gone beyond what i originaly intended. Did you read my first post on this issue? It had nothing to do with "QP's are bad" or "I want the old HC back". I was simply trying to bring up an issue, but used some of the old generations threads as an example. and i dont see why i shouldnt, back then there was no VW, so it seems like a good time to use. As i said just before i was simply trying to bring up an issue with the rest of the community, not start a Golden Eraarguement. The issue is people are posting too much good stuff in VW and too scared to post similar to that in the Tavern. People only want to post ground-breaking, earth-shattering threads in there these days. I want to change that. I also said in my first post that the Golden Era is what you make it, so why not make another one?
As for all your Qp talk, i know your a recognised member and such. Would you think less of me without the stars? I know you wouldnt, because you have been around to watch me post and take notice of whatever quality or crap i post. I guess the whole thing is for new members. It allows them to identify who the older or more contributive members are. Alot of people think stars = respect. That means nothing to me. There are so many members, (mostly olders ones now as everybody want qp these days) that have 0-3 qps, but earn the most respect in the community.
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You have to have realized it by now and I don't even have to point this out to you is that there ALWAYS will be people who will be content and people who won't be.
I know this, but it was never my point in the first place, although it seems to have turned into that.
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Of course there always will be members who'd rack their brains what kind of thread or reply to make to get that wonderful "bonus applied" at the top of their posts. I've also noticed these are the newer posters on the board. Why is that so?
Earn respect among members? to be better than the other new member? Remove flood protect? I know that was the reason i wanted them when i first joined, damn flood protect. This is one of the issues i brought up though. I would rather all those spontanious posts in the VW be in the Tavern, instead of dumping it all in the VW until they find that qp idea that should go in the Tavern.
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No better way to put this. But just as we were saying earlier that some members with 0 qps have respect, some members with over 3 can still get no respect. It just all depends on the kind of poster you are.
Lady Milena, i joined this forum 2 months before you. Not much, but a hell of alot can change in that time. What i dont understand is you go on talking about yourself being old and such. I dont feel as though i am the same. For some reason i too feel like a newer members, with the vision of having HC active and funny again. Although it may be a bit far fetched, and maybe im fighting for a lost cause, its nice to bring a little arguement into the community that is about something other than, "Do you like smooth peanut butter, or the chunky kind?".
Eh, i dunno if i have anything left to say. People seem to read my posts and think im trying to start an arguement or crying about what HC used to be. I just want to raise activity in the Tavern. Ahhh screw it ive had enough. Milena, you wanna go play some bingo with granpa?
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Hmm, I've skimmed over most of the replies on these last two pages and I'm still not sure what this arguement is over.
Right..I've been around since early 2002 (April 2002 on my first screen name, Dar_Kraven) so I've pretty much earned the right to call myself a Dinosaur, as Milena so nicely puts it.
I've not always been here, as I tend to leave and come back, But I have been here for some of the up times of this community, and some of the down times.
There are alot of old posters that are no longer here such as Hexa, Romana, RMS, Oldtimer, Cat, Andi, Motorschaaf, Stiven, Bort, Privatehudson and many many more that I'm forgetting at the moment. Those members were vital to this community during their times, whether it be good or bad, they helped shape this community the way it is now. Many of them have moved on, while many of us have stayed behind (RSF, Me, Milena, etc.)
A lot of new members have come and changed the community even more - Consis, Asmodean, and Shadowcaster to name a few.
Now..Onto the subject of QP's. How many of those people that I've listed above made QP's their number one priority? I know Oldtimer didn't have a QP in mind when he created his infamous "naked girls" thread. Did Andi or Motor have QP's in mind when they posted advice in the HOMM forums? Did they care about losing their QP's when they decided to have a round of tossing noobs?
Consis is one of the best new members IMO, look at his posts. I'm sure he didn't have QP's in mind when he makes his posts.
Right..anyways, I suck at making closings. So..yeah.
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I'm cummmmmmmmming!
Yes, I am, just let me get a hold of that cane first, granpa...
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Dragon Slayer,
you seem to have been left with the wrong impression that I was answering your post directly. I wasn't. I was having a discussion with my PM buddy TNT who I just adore and after some consideration I decided to toss in what I tossed in. My general statement wasn't directed at you but all those who filled in the last 2 pages.
The reason why worded my post in that way was because on several occasions I was accused of behaving "mod-like", not "poster-like". The reason why I'm not a mod is because I've never asked for this position or even discussed it with other mods or Val. That is because I'm a harsh granma. I don't consider myself a HC legend, neither am I as self-important as you might have thought. Merely and simply there aren't many members who are still posting actively who've been non-stop active ever since HC started too. I am also the perfect example why yellow stars do not reflect a person's seniority (time-wise spent in HC).
If you've been to other boards too, you must have noticed that "burning out the board" is a rule, not an exception. That's because more and more topics become "have been discussed before" and there is a need of new and fresh ideas.
Of course I'm one of the fans of the idea of the "good old times". I am maybe because I'm a little self-centered and I know when I had the most genuine fun. We were behaving real crazy back then, before you oppose me on this, WHO would have a HC online wedding now?? These were *my* best days in HC. It just happens that certain first-generation members share my opinion on this. You don't have to agree. I miss certain people from here but most of all I miss being the reckless vibrant little girl I used to be on these boards. I can't see myself doing a virtual striptease any more. Call me a constipated granma. You're probably right in the light of your confession that you feel nothing of the kind.
I can see that folks are having fun these days, especially my above-mentioned buddy Mr TnT keeps that in check. This brilliant lady Kookastar has also come to my attention as being new and fresh. What can I say, granma has a wonderful time watching her grandchildren develop and grow! Of course granmas are too sick and too weary to enjoy seek-and-hide. But let those full of energy enjoy themselves...
Even though even I enjoy dancing. Once in a while I cast away the cane to 'twist and shout'. Just don't tell others, it would ruin my reputation. ;-)
Anyone!!! Gimme back the cane, which one of you brats stole it...
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P.S. Edit: my grammar when I have a headache, is always as atrocious at the headache itself.
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You sunk my battleship, hehehe
I knew it wasn't directed towards me, i just wanted another reason to rant. But you have just proved one of my points. You talk about how fresh TNT and kookastar are. Thats why i want em out of the VW, and into the Tavern. Regardless... maybe i should stop acting like a youngin, and take up my chair in the HC old folks home. Blended dinners and bed pans cant be that bad...
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I think this discussion deserves a red star… Haha, just kidding. ^_^
Ahh, the one day that I actually have work to do… Well, it’s lunch time now and I have some time to post. It looks like I kind of missed the boat, but might as well throw a few things out there.
(Warning: This might turn out to be a very unorganized post. So much stuff has been said and I have all these random thoughts floating around in my head, so bear with me. )
I’ve always looked at the Tavern as stuff that evokes lighthearted discussion/laughter—something that’s more serious than VW, but didn’t quite make it to the Other Side. This impression could be due to the recent activities here. Most of them do have some content, which separates them from the VW. However, after looking over some of the older threads, it turns that the Tavern is more lax than I originally thought. This is good news.
I think the problem with some of the humor threads dying in the Tavern is because people don’t know how to respond to them. A lot of times, people may find something funny, but have nothing more to contribute to the topic. They can make a post that says “Hahaha, that’s great, I had a good laugh,” but they don’t do it because it lacks content and feedback.
Sorry to bring QPs back into discussion, but I think it is a good system. As mentioned above, there are many online communities where the members are brutal to the n00bs. You say one wrong thing and you get flamed to death. When I first came here, I was shocked at how well mannered everyone was. The system keeps people in check.
However, as also mentioned above, it can also be detrimental to the community. People come to HC for different reasons. I started out asking questions about HOMMV. Eventually, that turned into posting when working is slow and boring. Now I come to interact with some rather cool and interesting people. My purpose isn’t here to contribute, it’s to socialize. If contribution results, great! If it doesn’t, well, there will be others. Then there are others (say, William ) who come here because he sees this place as part of his life. He’s here to add what he can, and tries very hard to get those QPs, and for someone like that, a QP would have more meaning.
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Who cares. Dont be scared. I started a similar thread to Borts, expecting to get tossed because of it, but i didnt. just take the chance.
Who cares? The maker of the thread will care. It might not be a big deal to others, but if no one finds your stuff interesting, it’s still a blow to your ego. If this happens, the individual could become reluctant to start similar threads in the future. Naturally, this does not apply to everyone, but for most of the newer members, I believe this is true more often than not.
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If you look to the left of my profile, you're going to see 4 red and 3 yellow stars. Fine, if it was 2 red and 5 yellow, would you think of me as a poster any differently? I seriously doubt it.
Ahh, don’t be so quick to make assumptions. I’ll be brave and admit it. It probably wouldn’t make me think less of you as a poster, but it does impact how closely I read your words (those sound similar, but they’re not). This especially applies to newer members. When I first came here, I paid more attention to the posts of people with more red stars, because I didn’t know back then. Granted, I’ve only been here for not even two months, so I’m still considered a n00b, but I’ve gotten to know more people and now I know that the stars don’t matter at all, especially when I click on some members’ profile to see that a good number of the stars awarded are for table of contents and the likes. Don’t get me wrong now, I know those things take forever to make, involve a lot of effort, and are useful to other members, but getting stars that way doesn’t make that member a good poster.
At the same time, however, I believe that subconsciously, we still see the red stars to mean something more than just a pat on the back. It’s like grades back in school. I’m sure that most people would agree that a high GPA does not imply that you’re a smart kid, but it is a basis for comparison when you have nothing else to go by. Why else would colleges care so much about your grades and your test scores? They don’t mean anything when you get to the bottom of it all, but on the surface, it is a label of how “good” you are.
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Of course I'm one of the fans of the idea of the "good old times". I am maybe because I'm a little self-centered and I know when I had the most genuine fun
I’ve always wanted my say on this, but I was always afraid that it might be taken the wrong way, so I hope I won’t regret this…
A lot of times when the veteran members say things like, “Ah, the good old days… you youngsters don’t know what fun is,” it’s an indirect insult to the n00bs. You’re pretty much saying that all our efforts to make HC a better place will never match up to what you guys once made it to be. Maybe it’s true. Maybe if we were around in the olden days, we would look at HC now the same way as you. Or maybe, if the older members joined in with the new members, you’ll see that the current HC isn’t all that bad after all. You know sometimes when you tell a funny story to someone but they don’t really get it, and you end up having to tell them, “You had to be there”? Maybe the current HC is one of those “you had to be there” types of fun.
Final word, don’t say you’re too old to have fun.  I tried to get a few veterans to come to the masquerade, but most of them just said they were too old to have fun.  We youngsters like to play! Play with us! ^_^
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posted July 24, 2006 07:00 PM |
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Note: I will edit this silly looking post when I get home and am able to login.
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friendofgunnar
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posted July 24, 2006 07:33 PM |
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Now this is odd, my Tavern thread "Thread of a thousand curses" which I clearly thought was tavern material just got booted to the VW.
On a side note,
it's 3 days to my six month anniversary
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Well I will say that you are a harsh Granny in times Melina .
I just want to say that I think alot expect too much out of the moderators.
Afterall they put free time to do thier job.
You cant expect them to wave a wand & then hocus Pocus the Tavern is active again.
It;s nobodys job to make a place fun.
It anyones capabilities to make an effort.
There is too much favortism in this place then there should be & it was worst in the so called golden era .
I mean why didnt some members get QP when the thread or reply was defanately QP material & why do Favored members get QP when it was clearly not QP material?
DOes it matter.
It shouldnt.
Were here for similar reasons & QP will put stress on people as it seems.
Just remember the Mods are just like us.
They dont have special wands to make a forum active.
We have to work on it together.
Edit: to Gunnar who posted the thread before I finished here.
See what i mean.
The tavern should just slowly die because Mods judge whats good material & some may or may not be in others eyes.
It's the mods who makes the decision.
Most importantly WHO MAKES THE THREAD.
Favortism I tell ya for the 4959504 time.
I seen it i watched for yrs.
It's there & it's usually the people who makes it.
I bet you my next paycheck Gunnar that if BORT would of made that thread, it would of had a QP lol.
Oh & stayed in the tavern.
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Lady Milena, i joined this forum 2 months before you.
I believe Lady_Milena was also known as Milena and LinnielErithil in the past.
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posted July 24, 2006 09:40 PM |
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You know I really didn't think this was an arguement happening here AT ALL. Nor did I mean to say that the old threads of the tavern should be deleted btw, it was part of one point.
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Now this is odd, my Tavern thread "Thread of a thousand curses" which I clearly thought was tavern material just got booted to the VW
Yeah I agree, this is a thread that generations for eternity could add to, it has the potential to live forever over time. It is light hearted and the continuation of Consis's curse to fogunnar, is it not Tavern worthy because there is no "direct conversation" between spammers posters? Just wondering...
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posted July 25, 2006 05:58 AM |
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There seems to be a very thin line of what fits into the Tavern.
If its too lighthearted, it goes into the VW into which it will generate fun discussion regardless, but a potential gold topic will eventually be deleted and lost forever.
For example, if the VW had been around during Oldtimers time, when he made the Naked Girls thread..how would that have gone? It would have been moved to the VW and then deleted a month later.
However, if its too serious, it will go into The Other side, where discussions MUST remain serious.
I'm not saying get rid of the VW...keep it for the completely useless things, like word games and the such (or repeat threads..such as the "So {Insert random username here} whats up" type threads)
But lets once again allow the Tavern to be a place to share fun, lighthearted threads. Instead of making a new Daily Chat every other month, lets have one thread, like Tossers Tavern was in its prime, wherep eople can just get together and chat.
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