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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 22, 2011 12:39 PM |
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Heh, you might be right. I still really haven't got a good answer, but I will let it drop.
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Aculias
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posted May 22, 2011 12:40 PM |
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She cant really take a break tough Will. She is the only tavern mod active left, until Val comes in 
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Azagal
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Smooth Snake
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posted May 22, 2011 12:42 PM |
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Yes SIR Valeriy, I will just jump to when you snap your fingers SIR!
Couldn't resist. If you wonder or care, my comment was directly meaning in cases of QP. *shrugs*.
I don't get the reply. What of the things I said wasn't I justified to say?
I know you're not trying to say that we shouldn't exspect communications on your end because you're no "iron-fisted tyrant" or what you called it.
Want me to count your number of posts in the Tavern over the last two month starting yesterday? Is that what it takes for you to realize how abandoned this place is?
The whole "I will get things done eventually" and "just because I don't do things instantly, doesn't mean I'm a bad mod" are secondary. I'm not posting like this because you don't do what I say...haaha as if. I simply care about the Tavern and would love for this place to be moderated, for you to have a presence in a forum you moderate. Crazy right?
Haaha but nevermind I guess if I do ask for more presence here and complain about this sad state of affairs I'm the bad guy lol. Well I'm sure that makes complains easier to deal with *shrugs*. It's not like I have a reason to say what I'm saying right *shrugs*.
Hmm... guess that'S the best solution*shrugs*.
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Aculias
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posted May 22, 2011 12:47 PM |
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The best solution is hiring more mods, so we can take the pressure off the one single mod who has to run this place & deal with Real life too.
Out of the 10 years in been on here, I never ever seen only one tavern mod.
It is not easy.
There is more then one mod because it can be stressful on here or real life.
One backs up the other.
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Azagal
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Smooth Snake
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posted May 22, 2011 12:50 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 12:51, 22 May 2011.
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You have a point Acu you do and maybe I haven't said what I wanted to say in the nicest manner conceivable but it's not like I'm inventing things. I don't see where I'm wrong in what I say as far as the content is concerned. But yeah ok guess I'll just post my suggestions and be done with this.
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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 22, 2011 12:51 PM |
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Azagal, I agreed with you about needing another moderator. I have no problem with you suggesting such. I don't have a problem with people suggesting threads for QP, but that is not what come across. What came across was "I didn't get an immediate reply, so I am going to moan and complain" which I will absolutely apologize for taking it the wrong way.
Have I not been here as much as I would like? Absolutely, but saying I have not been here at all just because I don't post in a specific forum? I don't post in the OSM much anymore either, but I keep an eye out for quality posts. Per request from both mods and the community I don't penalize anymore there (unless under dire circumstances), but I am still there.
I agree with you 100% that there needs to be another active moderator in a lot of the forums, because I don't have the time I would like anymore. I absolutely agree that this forum specifically needs another active moderator. Not making excuses, I just don't have the heart or energy any more to do all I would like.
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted May 22, 2011 01:10 PM |
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I dont think anyone is really wrong & i never did.
There will be tention when a member suggested something 7 feels like they are disregarded.
I know Mytical, she wont do it intentionally.
Just tough times with lack of Mods, hopefully Val will be back & we can remedy the situation 
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Corribus
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted May 22, 2011 04:18 PM |
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Mytical, far be it for me to put words in other peoples' mouths, but I think what people are taking issue with is not the fact that it took you some time to process a QP request, but your attitude.
First, let's put it in context. If you read around HC, you'll easily see that there's a general feeling that the quality and consistency of moderating here at HC has really sunk. Many forums are perceived to be virtually unmoderated. There is a general frustration among newcomers that QPs cannot be awarded and posting restrictions can therefore not be erased, because there aren't enough moderators around with the interest or ability to reward quality posts. Forget me - I have 29 QPs and hardly care about or need another one. But there are some fine posters out there who are new but feel they can't get any recognition because there are simply no mods to do it. You need to be sensitive to that.
Now, Azagal comes along and suggests a QP in this forum be given for a post. It takes you a few weeks to get around to it. Fine. But when you do finally get around to it, it's accompanied by a snarky comment about how you're not required to even acknowledge public feedback. Yeah, Mytical, we all KNOW you aren't REQUIRED to respond to anybody about anything. So why the need to tell us as much? And then there's your "I don't really give a snow about anything or anyone here, I've given up" attitude. It very well may be that you have good reason to feel that way, but it's certainly not doing anything to help the general perception of the way HC is being moderated lately. And you wonder then why people complain about the way you handle QPs?
I mean, imagine you're handing out awards at a high school graduation for academic or athletic performance and before you give each one you say something like, "I just want everyone to know that I don't think this person really deserves this award and I'm under no obligation to give it. And I want you all to know that I don't really care anymore whether you like it or not." Aside from the fact that it puts a taint over the award and casts a pall over the whole ceremony - can you honestly not see how that will irritate some people?
Put another way - do you think this whole event will encourage people to make quality posts in this forum? Would it not have been better to award the QP and merely say "Hey everyone, sorry it took me so long. A lot of people thought this was a great post so I'll give it a QP." Or even not award the QP and say, "Sorry guys, but I just don't think it deserves a QP." Rather than "OK, fine, I'm giving it a QP but I just want everyone to know that I didn't have to do it. I didn't even have to talk to you people at all. And by the way, I don't really care about this place anymore so NYAH NYAH NYAH."
It's no secret that you complain a lot about the way people respond to how you hand out QPs and penalties. In the beginning there may have been some merit to your attitude. But at this point, it's becoming something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
My 2 cents.
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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 23, 2011 05:57 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 06:12, 23 May 2011.
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I had typed out a long response, but instead I will just say this. I responded to a post that questioned why it had been 16 days and no qp. Guess it doesn't matter though.
P.S. It's not the place, it is not the people, it is the fact that no matter what I do I am always in the wrong...it gets old.
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gnomes2169
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posted May 23, 2011 06:14 AM |
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Yeash, is there something wrong with saying, "Oh, hi Mytical! Glad to see that you are back, still alive and giving out QP's  I think that there is a post over there that deserves one, because it's rather good"?
Seriously people, she's one mod with a few personal issues at the moment who has to manage up to three forums. Lay off a little bit. Or would you, perhaps, like to switch places with her completely and have to deal with doctors telling you that you will die any day now, and also snooty posters complaining about how you seem to be gone for too long and and are strangely silent along with complaint X, Y, Z of how things should be like the old days and how the mods seem to have died when it is almost entirely out of your control? Think about it for a second.
That being said, hi Mytical! Glad to see that you're back (Have been for a while now, but I never welcomed you  ). I see that you have already awarded the thread that I was going to suggest, so I'll just be going. Good job, btw. *Rides off into the sunset*
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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 23, 2011 06:25 AM |
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As always it is my lack of ability to communicate that seems to be the problem. Dang lack of social skills. Corribus, as I apparently misunderstood Azagal, there is a miscommunication.
My reply to the 'its been 16 days, why is it taking so long' did not mean "I don't have to talk to you.", it meant "I don't have to comment about a suggestion for a qp." It escalated, got more muddled with more miscommunication. Doubt it matters what I say anymore, my lack of communication ability just makes things worse.
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gnomes2169
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posted May 23, 2011 06:40 AM |
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Mytical, don't let it get to you. You're a good, friendly mod that's easy to get along with. It would be nice if you could be a little more active, but people shouldn't push you for time that you don;t have/ don't want to give**.
*Aka: Have Val appoint another mod, so that he/ she gets all the complaints.
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Corribus
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted May 23, 2011 03:52 PM |
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Mytical I think you take things too personally.
One thing you have to realize is that in a position of authority, you're going to be more likely to get negative criticisms than positive feedback, but that doesn't necessarily reflect true public opinion. People are, after all, more apt to complain about something you do wrong than compliment you on something you do right.
One of the primary requirements for a person holding any kind of public office is a thick skin and self-confidence. Imagine if the President of the US sagged his shoulders and got all "It's hopeless, I can't do anything right" every time someone disagreed with him. He'd get nowhere, because nobody can have confidence in a leader's decisions if the leader himself doesn't have confidence in them. At some point, this becomes a vicious cycle. A hopeless attitude and lack of self-confidence and conviction only makes people that much more likely to publicly question your decisions and actions, which makes you even more hopeless and negative, and etc. At some point a reputation for vacillation and indecision become so great that your ability to do anything becomes compromised because people just don't trust you to handle any kind of situation, no matter how good your intentions are.
Whereas, if you make a decision and confidently stick by it without equivocating, people are more likely to accept the decision even if they disagree with it. For better or for worse, a public office holder was put into office because someone trusted him to make decisions. Nobody can please everyone. All a person can do is make a decision to the best of their ability, make it confidently, and not look back.
You have to trust yourself before anybody else will.
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Doomforge
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posted May 23, 2011 04:08 PM |
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Mytical, I don't understand one thing: if you correlate giving QPs (and penalties) with such negativity, why did you take this job in the first place? I mean, there's not really more to being a mod than this, at least here.
<Not to Mytical in particular, but to all mods/users who feel that HC is demanding:> I've been a mod around three years on gaming forums were trolls were in opulence like mushrooms after heavy rain. Compared to those boards, HC is child's play. I really mean it: moderating those boards takes so little time compared to "nasty" game forums that it's pretty lame excuse to say "I have real life". If you have - step down, let others take the job. Don't be so attached to the pixels of your modshield. I've been through kids posting 40 topics per minute, then after a ban, trying to take personal "revenge" by creating 1 million accounts and spamming some crap all around, plus the obviously obvious trolling of moderators' inboxes (aka: sending tons of insults via PMs every three minutes). THAT'S a hard forum to moderate, where treads pop 10 times per hour rather than once per day. HC is a mod's heaven. And people still slack off 
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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 28, 2011 09:22 AM |
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Beginning to think that my work place does not like me. Tried to give another qp, and it again will not let me. Will have to do it at home.
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 28, 2011 10:00 AM |
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It's keeping you from doing good, it must be evil!
Quick, get out of there before it corrupts you!
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Smithey
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Yes im red, choke on it !!!
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posted May 28, 2011 11:18 AM |
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Edited by Smithey at 11:19, 28 May 2011.
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[certain member's voice] It was not GOD's will, whoever it is, he/she probably didn't deserve it [certain member's voice/]
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bLiZzArdbOY
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Nerf Herder
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posted May 31, 2011 08:10 PM |
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Well our young grasshoppa' Azagal has been a busy young padawan with organizing two different successful community threads. One with the new and improved round of the HC Sociogram, and another one with the HC Socioquery. I think a pair of QPs are in order 
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Jabanoss
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Property of Nightterror™
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posted June 01, 2011 07:24 PM |
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Yeah I second that ^
Azagal has sure made a nice contribution to the awesomeness of this community.
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Mytical
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Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted June 06, 2011 12:30 PM |
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As soon as I have time and access to a computer that will let me, more then a few QP's have been too long coming. Right now my home computer is sick and ailing (yay another problem, happy happy) thanks to a virus called Window 7 Recovery (yes it is a virus). Still watching the threads, but right now unable to apply qp's from work..and now from home until the damage the virus done before getting deleted has been fixed.
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