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Conan
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posted May 10, 2005 08:13 PM |
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so I delete RSF from the list aswell? Or simply add TA instead of Moredude...?
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Jebus
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posted May 10, 2005 08:18 PM |
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Just make it all 1 division and have everyone play everyone once.
then take the rankings and make the playoffs.
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Jebus
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posted May 10, 2005 08:20 PM |
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yeah, this was based on hockey from the beginning. 
Besides, think of poor léo, he'd have 0 points!! LOL
Uh... in what hockey league do you get a point for losing??
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lkru33
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posted May 10, 2005 08:30 PM |
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Since the Beta Division has 2 inactive players and the Alpha only has 1, I thought it would make sense to put TA in the beta division. As for the inactive players, if someone tried to contact them and nobody replied, eliminate 1 from each division.
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Conan
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posted May 10, 2005 08:35 PM |
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Just make it all 1 division and have everyone play everyone once.
then take the rankings and make the playoffs.
That was my original idea, But léo said he'd prefer it this way.
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Jebus
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posted May 10, 2005 08:36 PM |
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Stick us all in one...
make in like a conference final....
then we can all play each other at least once to crown the champ!
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tigris
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posted May 10, 2005 08:50 PM |
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i agree with the unification of the 2 conferences.This way there will be more games and people can meet more often on the zone
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Conan
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posted May 10, 2005 08:55 PM |
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I would also agree to this.
Léo?
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lkru33
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posted May 10, 2005 09:04 PM |
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Sounds good to me 
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Jebus
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posted May 10, 2005 09:09 PM |
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I would also agree to this.
Léo?
You don't have to ask....
and he's Noober than you!!
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 10, 2005 09:14 PM |
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I think that this idea could work very well...if we restart everything from scratch.
Take 1 or 2 weeks to sign everyone up and verify their nOOb Status. Then, create one Division and let everyone play each other once. Those who don't play by a certain time (end of August, for example) get removed. Those who play once or twice and then disappear are left in the Tourney, but they are matched up against those with the highest points...so, if these disappearing people don't show up for their elimination match, they lose. That ends up being like a "bye-game" for those who finish on top of the Division. It's sort of like an incentive to finish at the top...
So, I say that the 1 point for a loss should stay, but that the winner should get 3 points! Otherwise, how do you guys expect me to earn any points...we all know that I am going to get my butt kicked! 
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 10, 2005 09:20 PM |
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This revelation just came to me...the 1 Division system works really well for another reason: new people can simply be added in! 
If someone comes around after we have played a few matches, they can simply be added in with the rest, instead of having to wait until we start the next Tourney!
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Jebus
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posted May 10, 2005 09:23 PM |
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I think that this idea could work very well...if we restart everything from scratch.
I don't necessarily agree but it will give me a chance to get some revenge on Lkru!!
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Take 1 or 2 weeks to sign everyone up and verify their nOOb Status. Then, create one Division and let everyone play each other once. Those who don't play by a certain time (end of August, for example) get removed. Those who play once or twice and then disappear are left in the Tourney, but they are matched up against those with the highest points...so, if these disappearing people don't show up for their elimination match, they lose. That ends up being like a "bye-game" for those who finish on top of the Division. It's sort of like an incentive to finish at the top... Quote:
I think we have a good idea of who would be interested... and we can add new comers as they appear... those of us who have been here since Nov, can get our 1rst round games out of the way now, while others are joinning... considering it was more for the noobs that are active, I don't think we'll get a huge turnout! If, by the time we start playoffs, there is an odd number, the top player could get a bye.
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So, I say that the 1 point for a loss should stay, but that the winner should get 3 points! Otherwise, how do you guys expect me to earn any points...we all know that I am going to get my butt kicked!
Points for losing??? C'mon??? why don't we send out ribbons for participation too!!! This isn't a "feel good everybody loves me" tourney!!
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 10, 2005 09:38 PM |
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The points for a loss help to distinguish between the people who play & lose from the people who don't play at all!
If someone loses 6 out of 7 games and has 2 points at the end, should they not get some sort of tangible recognition for playing that many games...as opposed to someone who only plays 2 games, wins them both, and then never comes around again?!
I think that it is necessary to give a point to the loser, so that no one is discouraged to play...remember, this is a nOOb Tourney. New players can be scared away or intimidated, so we should do everything possible to make this a welcoming experience.
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Jebus
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posted May 10, 2005 09:52 PM |
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The points for a loss help to distinguish between the people who play & lose from the people who don't play at all!
Well the point of the new tourney is to eliminate the people who haven't played at all!
So if all goes well we shouldn't have any no shows... we know who's reliable and who's not.
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If someone loses 6 out of 7 games and has 2 points at the end, should they not get some sort of tangible recognition for playing that many games...as opposed to someone who only plays 2 games, wins them both, and then never comes around again?!
Sure they should get something... they get 2 points!! for that ONE game they one... and the only way you go to playoffs is if you've played everyone once... otherwise playoffs don't start!
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I think that it is necessary to give a point to the loser, so that no one is discouraged to play...remember, this is a nOOb Tourney. New players can be scared away or intimidated, so we should do everything possible to make this a welcoming experience.
Discouraged of what?? playing fun games?? there's no difference between giving losers 1 point and winners 3 points (which is insane) to giving losers no points, and giving winners 2 points. Except to make'em "feel good"
(remember that time the NHL gave mtl 1 point for losing to Detroit 13-1?? remember?? no?? me neither)
The Barney league is over there.....
(and for those who don't play by a certain deadline, you can minus them a point.)
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Conan
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posted May 10, 2005 10:13 PM |
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point of order
what does it matter if we give a point or not?
C'mon guys, no need for this type of posts. Minor details. Let's just focus on the task at hand:
Ok, so far we have:
1) 1 division system
2) 2 points for winners
3) ranking system
4) ability to add new players
5) ability to remove non-active players easily.
Anything else?
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Jebus
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posted May 10, 2005 10:41 PM |
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what does it matter if we give a point or not?
C'mon guys, no need for this type of posts. Minor details. Let's just focus on the task at hand:
Ok, so far we have:
1) 1 division system
2) 2 points for winners
3) ranking system
4) ability to add new players
5) ability to remove non-active players easily.
Anything else?
You're right....
there are better places to discuss personal matters.
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 10, 2005 10:52 PM |
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Anyways, I figured that I would go through your Post, where you systematically shot down every argument that I made supporting the retention of the 1 point per loss issue, and see if we can make any sense of it.Quote:
Well the point of the new tourney is to eliminate the people who haven't played at all!
So if all goes well we shouldn't have any no shows... we know who's reliable and who's not.
Making a statement like this assumes that everyone who will be in the nOOb Tourney will be known to us and it does not take into consideration the option of new players joining up at the beginning or half-way through.
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Sure they should get something... they get 2 points!! for that ONE game they one... and the only way you go to playoffs is if you've played everyone once... otherwise playoffs don't start!
Again, you are assuming that everyone will play everyone else. We know that this will not happen and to believe otherwise would be foolish. Some people will only manage to get a few games in, where as others will play many more.
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Discouraged of what?? playing fun games?? there's no difference between giving losers 1 point and winners 3 points (which is insane) to giving losers no points, and giving winners 2 points. Except to make'em "feel good"
You must have forgotten about the point I made, where I explained how giving a point to a losing player rewards them for playing...which distingues them from someone who doesn't play at all!
I think that you are forgetting what brought on the creation of the nOOb Tourney, Jebus. It was basically a bunch of new guys who wanted to play together and have fun doing it. Sure we would keep track of who was better and obviously brag about it here on HC, but you are forgetting that there are always new players coming to HC.
We shouldn't close our doors to them because they didn't join up at the same time that we did, quite the contrary...we should create a Tournament that encourages them to play with other people from HC. We should make a Tournament that keeps them around, even if they aren't the best HoMM3 player.
If people wanted to play in a Tournament where once you lose that's it, they would go to ToH or WW. The nOOb Tourney is not as much of a Tournament,as it is a place for new players to get together and have fun.
If you start eliminating people when they lose or not giving them rewards for playing, then they will leave! IT'S A FACT! I should know, I run the MYT GAME & Poster of the Month and I took care of the HC Awards for 2004.
Getting recognition for what you do, even if it isn't good, is called positive-reinforcement. From there, people build self-confidence and from there, they take more risks or produce better results.
Being negative all of the time and sticking to strict rules isn't what the nOOb Tournament was about then, and I hope that it isn't going to become that any time soon. I hope that you can understand that, Jebus.
If not, you might as well go play in ToH or WW Tournaments, where losers get the boot and winners go on to the playoffs. 
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Jebus
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posted May 10, 2005 11:00 PM |
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As long as you feel better now....
And try not to lecture me on what the noob tourney was about... It was my idea.
(and initially it wasn't for EVERY noob on the planet... the original idea was a farce to see which one of us (a small handfull of us) was the best noob.
Had we gotten through the first one, we had already discussed the potential of having an ongoing tourney with new members... I never refused anyone and was open to having new joiners...
It was to be a one time deal to, like you said, have fun.
I consider this issue between you and I closed and will let Conan decide the format if he so choses to continue.
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 10, 2005 11:06 PM |
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I consider this issue between you and I closed and will let Conan decide the format if he so choses to continue.
Agreed!
I was just thinking that this Tournament had taken on a life of it's own, where it just wasn't for us buddies anymore, but that it had become this great thing for people who are new to HC or who are new to Online Gaming.
You brought up a good point though, Jebus, and maybe we should consider starting something that is just for us (like Pandora's old Heroes Bastards thing) and something for Heroes Community.
In a way, I agree it was weird when people that we didn't know started joining the nOOb Tourney, but then again, some of those joiners are now very close members to us all...LKru, for example. Oh well, we'll see.
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