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posted January 12, 2009 01:57 AM |
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Now, now, are you sure you want to invade me? My country is economically powerful, and if you damage it, it'll make the world economy take a hit. That won't help you.
Actually, it will, since you are pretty neutral and it helps the world economy as a whole, not just Drathir. Therefore, if she invades you, she may get a slight bonus from your economy RELATIVE to the others. And that's all that matters right? 
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Plus, I can just ask TheDeath to protect all the innocents in my country.
Or forcibly move them out into mine
Then I leave it to Ms. Torture
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posted January 12, 2009 02:06 AM |
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How would it help the world economy to kill my productive people and bomb my factories?  I'm not aware that a dead person can help the economy at all - except as compost.
And how are you going to move all the innocents out of Mvassland? Place big sign that says, "If innocent, go to the Skaman Embassy"?
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posted January 12, 2009 02:40 PM |
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Finally I have an energy industry-growing issue in NS2 (nuclear energy)
It's about time, I need over 12 million units of energy (a lot for world 45), and I'm tired of buying oil from someone else.
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posted January 12, 2009 06:26 PM |
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@mvass: Enslavement
Bomb the aggressive or opposing stuff, and still after bombing, you can have the resources at least (and land)
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And how are you going to move all the innocents out of Mvassland? Place big sign that says, "If innocent, go to the Skaman Embassy"?
Obviously I'm not gonna make this happen overnight, but probably start a campaign. No, the initiative isn't that way, it's more like encouraging them to get out of Mvassland cause of the, ahem, possible danger -- but capitalists won't take this seriously, after all their companies and money are at stake. It works pretty efficiently
Hah! Skama is not an extreme nation, less than Mvassland!
Who said Skama is fundamentalist? 
j/k
I got the badger hybrids issue again 
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posted January 12, 2009 06:39 PM |
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Hey!One of my nations is the most extreme nation in HC, with my other nation being in the 3rd place, awesome!
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Top military designers in your secret laboratories have proposed projects to create nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons and are looking to you for government support and funding.
The Debate
1. "This is a necessary step towards the creation of a safer Dark Heresh," claims Konrad Mombota, the leading researcher. "Yes, it will mean a large areas of land will become unusable as a result of the testing, and it will cost billions of reichsmarks, but that's the price we must pay for our national security. Just think of the power we will have if we can turn our enemies into plate glass!"
2. "Why stop with making weapons for ourselves?" asks Melbourne Dredd, CEO of Wendy's Weapons stores. "We can sell them to all sorts of groups and organisations: other nations, the WA, terror- uh - freedom fighters, anyone! And we produce our own for our protection. Think of the money we can make! I'm sure none of our clients would ever even think of trying to use them to influence our government with threats or anything like that!"
3. "You want to bring NUKES into Dark Heresh?!" screams anti-nuclear protestor, Samuel Gutenberg. "This won't make us safer - it will just give the power to destroy everything to a few people! We must hunt down the people who suggested this evil plan and have them hanged! We must protect nature from the horrible influences of science. I say ban all new weapons research!"
And the stockpile keeps raising
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posted January 12, 2009 06:46 PM |
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Hey Dagoth, Meriath just ceased to exist!
Dude what are you doing? Log in
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posted January 13, 2009 08:16 PM |
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I have the issue with the "stealth ICBM launching flamethrower tanks"
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posted January 13, 2009 08:23 PM |
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There's now a new feature in NS 2 to invite some friends to this game, and for every two friends you invite playing you get a trophy you can give to any other nation.
Too bad most of us here either play NS 2 or don't want to, since they most probably know about it from this thread.
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posted January 13, 2009 10:26 PM |
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posted January 13, 2009 10:57 PM |
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Ugh...
let me put it like this.
Currently, you "sell" stuff equal to everyone (assuming demand + money of course, i.e they pay you). So everyone benefits equally -- aka no one has 'advantage' over others (might as well say that Mvassland doesn't exist, since the relative difference matters).
If a nation comes and enslaves Mvassland, even though let's say the efficiency drops to 5% (also due to bombing etc...) it's still at least 5% above the other nations
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posted January 13, 2009 11:28 PM |
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I think the problem with mvass is that he thinks globally, like every nation cares for the entire human population and not just for its own citizens
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posted January 14, 2009 12:37 AM |
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Skama got more cultured in the meantime (I finally got issues that dealt with that) 
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posted January 14, 2009 01:04 AM |
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Yes, but the stuff that Mvassland sells doesn't just disappear. Other nations consume that stuff, and use it or the surplus resulting from it to make other stuff, which the rest of the world also gets.
Think of it this way. Let's say you go and enslave the only doctor in town. Then, after some time passes, you go to your favorite store and the shopkeeper is dead. You ask, "Why is he dead?" and people reply, "Well, he got this disease, and he would've gone to the doctor if you hadn't enslaved him." And the shopkeeper isn't the only person to suffer. And if the shopkeeper suffers, so do you.
Plus, there are slave rebellions, etc.
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Yes, but the stuff that Mvassland sells doesn't just disappear. Other nations consume that stuff, and use it or the surplus resulting from it to make other stuff, which the rest of the world also gets.
What are you saying? That embargoes are bad? (because that would be the effect of an embargo as well).
Sorry but embargoes are pretty efficient in keeping an enemy nation at bay -- say... you don't sell them guns when you fight them, do you? Well, at least, not if you care about your nation more than your pockets (technically, if you get conquered by the enemy, you'll lose everything anyway, maybe even your life ).
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posted January 14, 2009 01:10 AM |
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Embargoes have a different purpose, though. The purpose of the embargo isn't to make your nation economically stronger but to make the other nation economically weaker. And it does, even though it hurts both nations (though usually it hurts one nation more than the other).
Look at Iran, for instance. The purpose of all the embargoes isn't to make the US and others stronger, but to make Iran weaker.
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posted January 14, 2009 01:19 AM |
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The purpose of the embargo isn't to make your nation economically stronger but to make the other nation economically weaker.
It is relative.
You can just as well say that the purpose of enslaving Mvassland is not to make you economically stronger but to make the others weaker (while you still have a few 5% (in that example) from Mvassland production).
It's like you own 5% of Mvassland, and embargo anyone else. That makes you stronger than them, at least compared to how it was previously -- i.e you get an edge over them.
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posted January 14, 2009 01:23 AM |
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You know, if, for example, the US would destroy every nation on Earth except for Liechtenstein, it would unquestionably be the strongest nation on Earth. But, even if it would somehow suffer no damage while destroying all the other nations, it would still be harming itself tremendously by destroying productive trade partners.
Relatively, it would be stronger. Absolutely, it would be weaker.
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posted January 14, 2009 01:27 AM |
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That depends. Absolutely it may NOT be weaker, since what if it gets nuked in the meantime and splash -- it won't even exist anymore?
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posted January 14, 2009 01:29 AM |
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You know, I'm not going to destroy Mvassland anyway, I'll just make a suzerainty with me being the supreme sovereign, of course
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