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posted February 01, 2009 12:41 AM |
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I can assure you that a soldier going into someone's home (let's say, they suspected he had weapons) isn't going to be called a "burglar" anytime soon. Nor will an authoritarian government agency of some sort that gets into people's homes.
If it were the norm for police to break into someone's house, and it's how society formed itself around it, it won't be called burglary. People may call it that way, but it's not how they call it, it's how the law calls it.
(hey, I can call abortion murder too, see? does that make it true, for someone like you?)
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posted February 01, 2009 01:22 AM |
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Yes, but a burglar is hardly part of the government, is he? So if the government decides to exercise eminent domain and take my property, then I think it is wrong - but it is not being a burglar.
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posted February 01, 2009 01:25 AM |
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Yes, but a burglar is hardly part of the government, is he?
So? Who defines what constitutes a government? Doesn't the government actually define that? Hence, the government type in question?
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So if the government decides to exercise eminent domain and take my property, then I think it is wrong - but it is not being a burglar.
Sure, just as killing isn't murder if the law/government doesn't say so (I'm not sarcastic)
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posted February 01, 2009 01:28 AM |
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Doesn't the government actually define that?
Yes, and Mvassland defines burglars normally. And, as I said, we don't allow advertising burglars. (Advertising burglars are a weird idea anyway. A guy breaks into your house and spraypaints "Buy Windows Vista! It's great!"  )
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Sure, just as killing isn't murder if the law/government doesn't say so (I'm not sarcastic)
Hmm... kind of. The death penalty certainly isn't murder. On the other hand, the Holocaust was mass murder.
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posted February 01, 2009 01:32 AM |
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Like I said, it's defined by the government, and thus dependent on the government type (well sort of, we all know reality isn't just categorized like that). The point is, that you are doing it wrong, when trying to JUDGE this whole characteristic from your government's (or a certain type's) point of view -- the result would be as biased as asking a fanatic commie why communism isn't restrictive.
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posted February 01, 2009 01:41 AM |
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The point is, that you are doing it wrong, when trying to JUDGE this whole characteristic from your government's (or a certain type's) point of view
And yet you can't point out what's wrong with my definition.
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the result would be as biased as asking a fanatic commie why communism isn't restrictive
I've seen it done. It's pretty fun to watch.
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posted February 01, 2009 01:56 AM |
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And yet you can't point out what's wrong with my definition.
Didn't I just say in my last post? It's biased. (not necessarily means I disagree with all of it, however, even if I were to define it from some other government type's perspective, it would still be biased towards that one).
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posted February 01, 2009 03:50 AM |
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"Biased" means that there's something specifically wrong with it. What is it?
Edit: What happened? Why did Dark Heresh and all those other nations leave? And why don't we have a WA delegate.
Also, Mvassland is the safest. And Mvassreich is trying to return to capitalism.
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posted February 01, 2009 03:44 PM |
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Well I may not be a safe nation but at least I'm playing this game more serious and don't have ridiculous taxes.
You see, those that are on lower places and have taxes like 50%+ are a lot worse than me. I could have funded a police so much that my taxes would have been ridiculous like most of you, and then I would be one of the safest nations.
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posted February 01, 2009 03:48 PM |
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Mvassland is the safest nation and it doesn't have any taxes.
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posted February 01, 2009 03:49 PM |
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Wasn't talking about Mvassland, that one is just bugged
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posted February 01, 2009 04:27 PM |
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"Biased" means that there's something specifically wrong with it. What is it?
No, it means that it FAVORS some viewpoint/side/whatever. Thus also, it is subjective. Obviously, it is "wrong" simply because it DEPENDS on the government type -- when you judge something, being biased is very wrong, it's like favoring person A over person B in a trial 
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Well I may not be a safe nation but at least I'm playing this game more serious and don't have ridiculous taxes.
No, you have an extremely ridiculous military
100% taxes --> no money --> no chance for philosophers to say that money is the root of all evil 
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posted February 01, 2009 04:31 PM |
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Mvass, that was just me moving to my own region
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posted February 01, 2009 05:26 PM |
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"Favoring" doesn't mean anything unless something more concrete is done. For example, if you're a member of the jury, and think A is a pretty cool guy and B is a loser, but you decide that B is guilty and A is innocent based on the evidence, then your "favoring" doesn't amount to much, does it?
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100% taxes --> no money --> no chance for philosophers to say that money is the root of all evil
So you're taking away philosophers' opportunity to talk about money?
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posted February 01, 2009 05:43 PM |
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"Favoring" doesn't mean anything unless something more concrete is done. For example, if you're a member of the jury, and think A is a pretty cool guy and B is a loser, but you decide that B is guilty and A is innocent based on the evidence, then your "favoring" doesn't amount to much, does it?
Ok let's get this in context, with the actual 'judgment' of the statistics.
Some biased commie: "Hey! It's not fair, why am I not so liberal? Shooting people for the good of the nation isn't restricting their freedoms! It's for the good of all for goodness' sake! These statistics suck!"
obviously you were less extreme but it applies to your government type as well. He is biased towards a communist government, in this example.
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So you're taking away philosophers' opportunity to talk about money?
Yeah 
wonder what they'll come up with
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posted February 01, 2009 05:59 PM |
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Some biased commie: "Hey! It's not fair, why am I not so liberal? Shooting people for the good of the nation isn't restricting their freedoms! It's for the good of all for goodness' sake! These statistics suck!"
And so you explain why he's wrong. It's not really a bias - he's just wrong, even by his own standards.
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posted February 01, 2009 06:02 PM |
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he's just wrong, even by his own standards.
nope
besides, it's not like he can't change the standards to suit him -- they are not sent by God or something like that.
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posted February 01, 2009 06:08 PM |
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He is wrong by his own standards. He seeks to make life as good as possible for the working class - and communism fails to do that.
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posted February 01, 2009 06:10 PM |
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As far as i know there's no tool to measure that. Secondly, you're drifting off topic since nowhere did I say anything about that. Imagine he's some kind of new cult or something -- not related to communists because I don't want a communist discussion, so you can only focus on the example.
Also, Stalin would disagree with you
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posted February 01, 2009 07:10 PM |
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As far as i know there's no tool to measure that.
Really?
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Imagine he's some kind of new cult or something -- not related to communists because I don't want a communist discussion, so you can only focus on the example.
So what would he say if he was a cult member?
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