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Conan
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posted March 08, 2005 08:59 PM |
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Poll Question:
Other side QP's
OK, It's been said that some Other side regulars don't want to see QP's in here...
Let's give this a democratic chance! 
So, should the other side forum have more QP's?
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terje_the_ma...
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posted March 08, 2005 09:05 PM |
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Not necessarily more, but it'd be weird if the HC subforum in which most of the 2 best percent of HCs posts are made was excluded from the QP-system.
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pandora
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posted March 08, 2005 09:10 PM |
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Since this topic is here already, feel free to offer your opinions as to why you feel as you do.
If you feel that more QP should be given, offer an explanation as to what types of posts you feel should be given consideration and why.
The more we hear from you, the easier it will be for Asmodean and me to reach the right decision. 
Thanks!
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Khaelo
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posted March 08, 2005 09:40 PM |
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Argh. The wording of this poll is unclear. I voted "no," but I think "QPs are useless" might be more accurate. By this, I mean that the benefits of +qps don't outweigh their problems; I do not mean that -qps are useless. Therefore, my vote should be taken as "I object to the +qp system," not "I approve of the status quo."
In any case, my vote reflects an opinion that goes well beyond the Other Side. It's irrelevant to current modding practices. 
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terje_the_ma...
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posted March 08, 2005 09:48 PM |
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I think +QPs serve as a good incentive for quality posts. I know that most of the people who post regularly in Other Side always give reasons for your opinions, and use logical arguments, but I think (or at least hope) that the +QP system draws others here as well; people who wouldn't have posted without the prospect of some reward beyond the regard of other posters.
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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guitarguy
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posted March 08, 2005 10:04 PM |
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I'm wondering if this has anything to do with me getting my first QP in here the other day. I was very surprised when it happened, if I may comment.
If it the case, I'm sorry about it.
-guitarguy
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Conan
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posted March 08, 2005 10:20 PM |
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not at all. I didn't even know.
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pandora
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posted March 08, 2005 10:26 PM |
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The poll came about because conan asked me why there weren't more QP here, it had nothing to do with you, you shouldn't apologize
It was a nice post and I was happy to give it
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Leo_Lion
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posted March 08, 2005 10:34 PM |
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I voted "yes" because...
I believe that there should be more +QPs, in general! I would support increasing the top %2 of Posts being rewarded to the top %3. That would basically mean a %33 increase in +QPs!
Reward-based "incentive systems" are known to increase productivity and, for HC, this might mean more high quality Posts or more new members...or both! 
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pandora
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posted March 08, 2005 10:47 PM |
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And on the flip side: a member posts often but his posts are not 'quality' so he feels unnoticed and unappreciated.
This points to the question then - what is quality?
Do we define quality by writing skill? If so then what of those who speak english as a second language? They likely spend twice the time posting, as they are often thinking first in one language, and then translating - if their wording is clumsy or difficult to understand due to the english - does that mean its of less quality?
If we reward one side in a debate - are we implying that we appreciate the opinion represented? Are we alienating the other person - by making them feel as though their opinion is not valid, or not worthy?
Then if we try to reach a balance and reward both sides, we run the risk of making the QP mean much less, because one arguement may have been written very well, and its point made clearly, but a less than stellar reply gets a 'token' QP just for being there.
So how would you define Quality when we're talking about the otherside?
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terje_the_ma...
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posted March 08, 2005 10:52 PM |
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Quote:
If we reward one side in a debate - are we implying that we appreciate the opinion represented? Are we alienating the other person - by making them feel as though their opinion is not valid, or not worthy?
Not unless that's your intention.
I know I wouldn't be offended if someone I'd been arguing with recieved a QP for her posts, since I'd assume that you gave the QP because the post(s) were either well constructed, enlightening, positive, or something like that.
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- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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pandora
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posted March 08, 2005 10:58 PM |
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Well my point isn't that I think that way - its just a point of view that i have seen in the past when such QP are awarded. I personally stay out of any debate posts so as to not be seen as one one side or the other, and try to read each post for what it is.
I do believe that QP can be awarded for posts that are involved in a debate, but my concern is in how those QP would be percieved by those on the opposite view.
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Conan
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posted March 08, 2005 11:01 PM |
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Quote:
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If we reward one side in a debate - are we implying that we appreciate the opinion represented? Are we alienating the other person - by making them feel as though their opinion is not valid, or not worthy?
Not unless that's your intention.
I know I wouldn't be offended if someone I'd been arguing with recieved a QP for her posts, since I'd assume that you gave the QP because the post(s) were either well constructed, enlightening, positive, or something like that.
Yes, but not everyone here shares those views.
I think that a good thread should get rewarded in the Other side. For instance, there are quite a few thread that have sparked a good debate and that the thread starter has kept alive. That should be worthy.
Also, it does not have to be about arguing. I would like to think that the other side is not only comprised to threads that are argumentative.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted March 08, 2005 11:03 PM |
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I do believe that QP can be awarded for posts that are involved in a debate, but my concern is in how those QP would be percieved by those on the opposite view.
The way I see it, it's their problem if they percieve it as some kind of badly veiled support of the other person's opinions.
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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pandora
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posted March 08, 2005 11:05 PM |
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I understand that, but quite often political views do enter the mix so it becomes a valid issue to address.
I'm not suggesting that we should only be looking at that though, just throwing it in there as something to be discussed.
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Conan
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posted March 08, 2005 11:08 PM |
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Edited By: Conan on 8 Mar 2005
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The way I see it, it's their problem if they percieve it as some kind of badly veiled support of the other person's opinions.
well, it becomes a mod's problem when people leave the site because of what they find is favoritism...
You'd say we are better off without 'em, but mods might not want to drive away members. The system is supposed to accomodate everyone, even those that find favoritism where there is none.
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pandora
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posted March 08, 2005 11:13 PM |
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Exactly, we can't adopt an attitude of "well that's your problem" because our goal is for the improvement and growth of the forum.
I do understand that you're not saying that we should actually say that to members, but as mods we do have to be careful to respect everyone's point of view, and be mindful of their feelings.
The last thing a mod should be doing is alienating anyone.
So, on that note we would need to look for ways that we could be sure not to make other people feel that way.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted March 08, 2005 11:18 PM |
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well, it becomes a mod's problem when people leave the site because of what they find is favoritism...
You'd say we are better off without 'em, but mods might not want to drive away members. The system is supposed to accomodate everyone, even those that find favoritism where there is none.
Well, if the community would have to be that careful not to step on anyone's toes, then the QP system might as well be abolished. Or?
I'm not sure if this really is my opinion on it; I'm just tossing it into the debate because I think it's an interesting pov...
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- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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pandora
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posted March 08, 2005 11:23 PM |
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Well, there are certainly positives to the QP system as well. In my opinion it is the best means we as mods have to encourage new members and make them feel as though they are a part of the community.
Plus a QP seems to be a good incentive to try for more QP. (I think its because they're laced with heroin)
It's also a good way to just show someone that they are noticed, and their efforts have been recognized and appreciated. Without positive feedback, members might lose interest more quickly, whereas with positive reinforcement they may feel empowered to post more often, and strive to improve the quality in their posts.
I also enjoy the uniqueness that the QP system brings to the board
So the hope here, is to find the right balance to suit this forum and all it's posters.
I'm glad for your input Terje, keep it coming!
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Consis
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posted March 08, 2005 11:33 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 8 Mar 2005
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Two Things:
1. Idealism
2. Realism
Under idealism everyone would like this forum to be a perfect world. Under realism people will argue that favoritism is unavoidable. I voted yes, but less than other forums.
Qp's are really whatever you want them to be. In the end they are nothing more than a tiny red star that doesn't even flash(sighs and shakes head...). They can represent what Valeriy has written about them or what anyone else thinks. In the end, it is the perception of receiving member that will ultimately decide how to think of the tiny red star he or she has been awarded. Some people might think the star is the way Jesus Christ of Nazareth(only if you're an old wise man going to a baby shower). Some might think they are Communist because of the red color. Others might imagine being flipped uspide-down to form the jewish star of David. Others might add some imaginary lines, call it a pentagram, and worship Satan. And still others might go on to compose some of the greatest musical works on the piano(if only they'd twinkle ).
But then who really cares? I guess I'm one of those who cares. I like getting a shiny red star. I think it's fun. It makes me smile. I like to write and I often spend a lot of time wasting away in front of the computer. So if someone decides to give me a shiny red star rather than call me a geek, tell me I'm fat, worthless, or a loser then I say let them. To all those people who don't like them I say this:
If you don't like the stars then go somewhere else. It's Valeriy's board; he made them; I like them; and don't come here thinking he's going to change the rules just for you. There are millions of other websites that don't have shiny red stars. Have a nice day!
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