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bort
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posted March 11, 2005 04:34 PM |
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Since I can never resist it when I see a dead horse being beaten, I will re-post a post from June 21, 2003.
http://www.heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?FID=3&TID=9306
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Will extra qps:
a. impress members of the opposite sex?
b. increase your earning power?
c. swell your genitals to titanic proportions?
d. help you to achieve inner peace?
I think we all know that the answer to all 4 questions is : yes, yes, yes and yes!
I often go to modeling conventions and casually mention to the young ladies that I am bort, he with 4 red stars on HC. Needless to say, they go weak in the knees and are on their backs with their legs up in the air in a matter of seconds. Oldtimer often does the same, and damn him if his 5 red stars doesn't allow him to steal all the best ones and leave me with the scraps. The reason Shae is never here anymore is that she's far too busy with all of her numerous 5 star seeking suitors.
Every red star after the 3rd multiplies your income by 10. True story. Brings me up to a grand total of $10 a year.
A swift glance and myself and OT shows that c. is most certainly true, although in my case it was a pre-existing condition.
As for d., well I'd tell y'all the secret of true happiness, but we're forbidden from telling anyone below "Responsible."
People... this... is... an... online... message board. The cash value of a QP is $0.00, E0.00, Y0.00. (Strangely enough, it is actually worth one of those giant stone disks that the Yap islanders use). The amount of respect that a QP gets you is 0. The amount of sex that a QP gets you is 0 (except in OT's case, but she was kind of a skank). The amount of happiness that a QP gets you is 0, less, actually because people follow you around demanding explanations for them. The total, complete value of a QP, counting sentimental value and everything else is diddly over squat.
It should be noted that, since I now have 5 red stars, I get all the good hoochie, and my income is now at $100.
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted March 11, 2005 05:25 PM |
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Edited By: Jebus on 11 Mar 2005
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I'm not exactly sure I follow you - it is the posts that get the QP, but in doing so they are associated with the member as well. Its not as though we can go into a member's profile and give then a QP that way.
The plus side to seeing the QP's by member really, is that if you see a member has a lot of stars, you can look at their profile and see where they were awarded. Its helpful for newer members looking to see what types of posts define 'quality' around here, and as well it can make for some good reading 
I guess my point is simply that if the post if getting the QP than there is no need to have it pinned to him/her like a war medal. Having said that, the idea that you can look up a person's profile to check out some of his posts is a good one... As a reader, If I see a post by Angelito (and it has a star attached to it) I could always go to his profile and look up other Quality posts.... I'd much prefer to see you as a new or senior member than assess you by your red stars.
IMO
BORT,
LMAO!!! (it's nice to see some humour!!)
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Consis
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posted March 11, 2005 08:16 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 11 Mar 2005
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Na Na Boo Boo!
Insert disagreement to anti-Qp supporters here:
THAT'S STOOPID!
**sticks out tongue and mocks with childish name-calling**
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Jebus
Promising
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted March 11, 2005 08:33 PM |
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Quote:
Insert disagreement to anti-Qp supporters here:
THAT'S STOOPID!
**sticks out tongue and mocks with childish name-calling**
Well it's nice to see you open to both sides of the arguement!
oh sorry let me talk in a language you'll understand:
"MOO MOO BOO BOO MOOSHOO WOO WOO!!" (gives Consis pacifier to keep him quiet)
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pandora
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posted March 11, 2005 08:53 PM |
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Imagine the ensuing fun were I to have given a QP to Consis for his post
Now before this gets tooooo silly, here's a Bort quote from the feedback thread:
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For a long time there's been a tradition on HC not to give QPs for any political posts, and there have been quite a few of them, many in the top 2%. I'm sure someone will search through and prove me wrong now, but to the best of my recollection, the first partisan QP given was for RSF's summary of Bush advertisements. The point is, QPs for partisan posts have been very carefully avoided and rightly so. I'm not a huge fan of the CoC, but RSF did swear in the post. Had the post been saying the same thing on the other side, would it have been given a -QP?(for the record, I don't think it should receive a -QP) Quite frankly, it also just wasn't very good or well supported. If you really, really wanted to give a Republican QP, posts by Dargon in numerous threads (notably, in the Attack Iraq thread) were much more deserving as are several of Khayman's.
Although I, personally do not feel that QPs should be given in any of the political threads for precisely the reasons we're seeing here, I especially don't think they should be given when there clearly is no reason the post gets a QP other than being pro-Bush.
Khaelo suggested the following:
Oct. 23, 2004: All right, a word about +QPs. My personal opinion is the more QPs, the better. Some QPs are going to be politically partisan. It's the nature of the beast in a forum like this. We have a conservative and liberal mod here to keep things reasonably balanced, but we're both human. Unless there is a specific issue with a QPed post aside from its partisan nature, my preference would be that rather than attacking the bonus on that post, people suggest another quality post for a QP to keep things balanced. Thanks.
This is an extraordinarily bad idea. Look at the makeup of the board, most of the posts come from the middle-left to left. The idea of a 1:1 liberal:conservative QP distribution means that eventually one will have to give QPs to posts that just say "Kerry Sucks" for the purpose of keeping things balanced. Not to mention the fact that anybody who takes up a moderate standpoint won't have any possibility of seeing a QP come their way.
This sums up pretty much what I was speaking of before with regards QP's in debate threads.
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted March 11, 2005 09:25 PM |
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I still trust the mods to exercise intelligent discretion in recognizing a good post when they see one. Sure, once in a while somebody will get a qp that not everyone agrees with, or even that many people disagree with. SO WHAT? I say get over it. Doesn't that ever happen anyplace else other than Other Side?
If the whiners dictate decisions about how this Board is run, then the whiners will be in control. As they say, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."
Speaking of whiners, I will note that (at least apparent to me) the vast majority of seriously overblown complaints concerning qp's involved members who are no longer active in this forum. A few have loudly announced their intent to take their dollies and dishes and go home, and some others have quietly dissappeared.
If you can't tell, I like my little red stars. Chalk it up to being raised in a reward-based culture. But they give me a real sense of accomplishment and recognition, and I can still take them seriously whether or not I've seen qp's given for a comparatively tiny handful of questionable posts in the past. And people like me, who post almost exclusively in Other Side, would never experience the sense of reward if the practice were abolished only in this subject.
The vast majority of the time I think the mods get it right. Rarely do you see a post with a qp that isn't inspired in some way. If anything, they've missed a lot of superior posts, which is likely the result of timidity because of aforementioned "whiners."
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bort
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Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted March 11, 2005 09:30 PM |
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So demanding more QPs be awarded isn't whining but saying they shouldn't be around at all is whining?
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Conan
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posted March 11, 2005 09:38 PM |
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For me, neither is whinning.
This is a debate about the issue, and to be able to have an idea of what people think. I think it's working great and I'm happy to have triggered it.
Even if the outcome is to get more stars, at least the comments about those who don't want to see them will be heard and (I hope) the mods will have taken them into consideration.
Up until now, the debate has been fruitfull and we better understand everyone's thoughts on this, including the new posters (like myself and Léo).
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pandora
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posted March 11, 2005 09:52 PM |
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I personally think the whole worry about posts being rewarded based on political views has become rather obsolete in that the Otherside Mods are now a Canadian and an Irishman, and we're just too drunk to care who your president is anyways 
From my own perspective, reading a lot of the debate posts - especially political ones, are always enlightening to me, because I don't think of things from the same perspective as the American/European posters. For me, whether or not I agree with a post is irrelevant, I enjoy reading all of the different points of view.
I don't have any fear that I will make the mistake of QPing based on opinion - my only fear would be in being percieved that way - and to that end I can (and will) always offer an explanation as to why I felt as I did. And if I'm wrong, I'm honestly happy to hear it, and I'll fix it - I'd rather have it pointed out to me straight up if I'm being an idiot than walk around oblivious to the fact that that is how I am seen by others.
My major concern is to fall into a QP frenzy when awarding debates. Anyone who frequents this forum knows that many of the posters here are unbelievable. They spend a lot of time and effort explaining their viewpoint, offering links etc. It would be easy to sit and QP every single post in quite a few of the threads I've read.
What I'm starting to lean towards, is keeping tabs on how many great posts I see by a member and having a loose idea in my head as to how many of these posts I will see before I give a QP. With different members I would have a different number of posts in mind, because everyone is different. Of course in this I woudn't be rigid, and if a post was amazing, it would not fall subject to that type of thinking - as well as if others felt the post deserved a QP.
That said, this approach would obviously be entirely based on my own judgement in the matter (as well as with Asmodean's agreement) so i can understand if some people feel that this is a ridiculous way to mod the forum. If you do, go ahead and let me know
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted March 11, 2005 09:53 PM |
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Like I said, bort. The Squeaky Wheel gets the grease. I didn't start this discussion, someone else did. And they started it because people have historically moaned and ******* about it sometimes when a qp bothered them. If people like me, who advocate the system, simply remained silent in response to the question and ensuing dialogue, it would leave the anti-qp individuals speaking alone, creating the appearance of acquiescence by the rest of us.
By the way, I hope you didn't think I was just talking about you or something. (Apparently you did given your defensive tone.) Consider yourself in the "whiner" category if you must, but frankly you're not one of those "whiners" I was talking about. I had some others in mind when making this post. I think it is they who raise a big stink over somebody getting a qp instead of them that prompt people like you to call the system to question to begin with. I just happen to disagree with the conclusions you draw. I think there are artful, productive ways of calmly and intelligently raising an issue over a qp or even the entire qp system, or even making humorous comments about it, versus squawking like a stuck pig. (IMHO you don't "squawk," bort.) Plus, if you'll notice, you're still around....
I hope this doesn't mean you're taking back my coveted hand-kiss.... I've been trying to get that from you for years now.
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Consis
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posted March 11, 2005 10:06 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 11 Mar 2005
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Real - Life Qp's
I think the "Quality Points" awarded here at Heroes Community largely resemble that of movie awards. If you think about it, some movies that you love will never see an award. The same can be said of getting the highly sought-after shiny red stars(that don't even flash). The real life awards given to movies are given out in a number of categories. Oscars and Academy Awards are not the same as Peoples' Choice awards. Some are apparently given an award by their respected peers while others are simply recognized because of an overwhelming popularity. The two commonly do not see eye to eye. What may be a respected film among working professionals may not be very popular at all and vice versa. I think the same can be said of Heroes Community "Quality Point" awards. I think it's more of an endemic recognition that all human beings seek to obtain whether it be from a specifically targeted audience(such as their peers) or simply from a broad spectrum general populace. We're all human here. To not accept the need for recognition in one form or another is to ignore one's own basic human nature.
But the real question yet eludes the majority of the debaters present. Does the nature of the Qp system warrant a highly fictionalized magazine or newspaper bent on sensationalizing every little personal detail of the Qp recipients? In this case, it might be wise to be as anonymous as posters like bort. But on the other hand the true megalomaniac could never truly achieve cyber domination without a real live person backing up the sensationalized QP'ed posts. The possibilities are as endless as the depths of the human psychi.
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted March 11, 2005 10:09 PM |
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Pan -- we were posting at the same time --
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I personally think the whole worry about posts being rewarded based on political views has become rather obsolete in that the Otherside Mods are now a Canadian and an Irishman, and we're just too drunk to care who your president is anyways.
ROFL
Thank you for finding an artful way of saying this, Pan. I've been thinking the same thing myself Quote:
That said, this approach would obviously be entirely based on my own judgement in the matter (as well as with Asmodean's agreement) so i can understand if some people feel that this is a ridiculous way to mod the forum. If you do, go ahead and let me know...
How else would you mod the forum but by using your own judgment and consulting with the other mods on how to identify the top 2%???
I mean, what you're saying makes perfect sense to me.
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted March 11, 2005 10:12 PM |
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But the real question yet eludes the majority of the debaters present. Does the nature of the Qp system warrant a highly fictionalized magazine or newspaper bent on sensationalizing every little personal detail of the Qp recipients? In this case, it might be wise to be as anonymous as posters like bort. But on the other hand the true megalomaniac could never truly achieve cyber domination without a real live person backing up the sensationalized QP'ed posts. The possibilities are as endless as the depths of the human psychi.
y-e-a-h.... that WAS the "real" question.(I guess I must have missed that... and here I thought I was fluent in english until I tried to read Consis' posts!)
so if I understand you correctly, you agree that we should take them off... great.
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted March 11, 2005 10:14 PM |
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Consis --
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But the real question yet eludes the majority of the debaters present. Does the nature of the Qp system warrant a highly fictionalized magazine or newspaper bent on sensationalizing every little personal detail of the Qp recipients? In this case, it might be wise to be as anonymous as posters like bort. But on the other hand the true megalomaniac could never truly achieve cyber domination without a real live person backing up the sensationalized QP'ed posts. The possibilities are as endless as the depths of the human psychi.
(HUH????)
Consis, what the hell are you talking about?
(ROFL)
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pandora
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posted March 11, 2005 10:17 PM |
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The part I thought might raise an eyebrow or two, would be in keeping a subjective number in mind for different members.
Meaning that:
person X always makes terrific posts, so I would wait until I'd seen about 10 from him before I gave 1 QP
Person Y posts often, but generally not with the same effort we see from person X, so when he does write one in that manner he would be QP'd sooner
Person Z is Bort: immediate QP
j/k about Z, but you see my point
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Consis
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posted March 11, 2005 10:33 PM |
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Miserable Attempt
I admit I have no comedy talent whatsoever. Now that we know that....
That paragraph at the end of my little movie discussion was me attempting to be funny. I simply don't have the skill of someone like bort. But hey at least I tried.
The joke was the comparison of the HC QP's to the Academy awards. I was trying to say that Qp recipients might be treated like a movie star, etc. They could be stalked, written about, blah blah blah. Ok yeah....I'll stick to researching cloning and let the experts handle the jokes from now on. Some times I forget just how funny I'm not. Oh well. 
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pandora
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posted March 11, 2005 10:39 PM |
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Actually I understood it , the only reason it wasn't funny to me was all those QP hunters staked out in the garbage bin behind my home are no laughing matter.
Don't even get me started on the QP monthly paparazzi. I can't even go out to check my mail in the morning without one of them in may face with a mic
"PANDORA PANDORA!!! OVER HERE!! WHY DID YOU GIVE THAT QP TO PEACEMAKER?? IS IT TRUE YOU"RE HAVING AN AFFAIR??"
every day its the same, i always have my sunglasses on even if the sky is clouded, just to spare my eyes from the blinding glare of the incessant flashbulbs
I'm sick and tired of people taking less than flattering photos of me when I'm eating, either those who try to blackmail me for QP, or just to splash my face on the cover of another of those hellish Message Forum Tabloids.
Damn you QP monthly!! Damn you Eye on HC!! Damn you all!!
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Peacemaker
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posted March 11, 2005 10:43 PM |
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"PANDORA PANDORA!!! OVER HERE!! WHY DID YOU GIVE THAT QP TO PEACEMAKER?? IS IT TRUE YOU"RE HAVING AN AFFAIR??"
-- ROFL
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted March 11, 2005 10:45 PM |
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Edited By: Jebus on 11 Mar 2005
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I admit I have no comedy talent whatsoever. Now that we know that....
I'll stick to researching cloning and let the experts handle the jokes from now on. Some times I forget just how funny I'm not. Oh well.
One piece of advise.... to laugh with others is to first learn to laugh at ourselves.
(just look at Lion and myself in "things that shouldn't..")
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted March 12, 2005 04:50 AM |
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It is the right of the Moderators to give a QP if they think they deserve it in any forum.
Just because we discuss Politics or real life events it dont mean that theres Quality in the replys or thread makers.
Look at Vesuvius. He will never give a QP to anyone deserved or not because it's the way he works as an individual Moderator.
Each Moderator to them own as they say.
They all work diferently & we shgould respect that as much as we all respect them.
QP is deserved in any forum.
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