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Binabik
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posted June 03, 2008 06:38 PM |
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Walking Dead - the only unit that has practically no use in the game
So does this mean that if you're playing necro you'll leave your walking dead in the garrison when taking day one crypts?
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fank0
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posted June 03, 2008 08:35 PM |
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Ok, deads have some extremely limited usages. Nothing worth talking about. Everyone can figure that if you need a stack that can take some beating they will do the job.
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maretti
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posted June 04, 2008 12:38 AM |
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Dwarves are worthless too. Are very similar to walking foos.
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Nikita
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Meepo is underrated
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posted June 04, 2008 04:00 AM |
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Why would you even cinsider speed if you are using shooter?Even if Marksman shoots twice Lizards defense is almost 3 times higher and they have +50%health.
If i remember correctly units with higher speed act before the slower units.
They do not have 50% more health. Also why should i care about their defense and hitpoints - they are not supposed to get hit anyway...
Yes they do have 50% health(SoD)Sometime they will get hit,defense helps a lot....
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zamfir
Promising
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Allez allez allez
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posted June 04, 2008 09:24 AM |
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Dwarves are worthless too. Are very similar to walking foos.
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Ok, deads have some extremely limited usages. Nothing worth talking about. Everyone can figure that if you need a stack that can take some beating they will do the job.
Both of them are taking retailiations and they are standing near shooters, because it's awkward to deal with them.
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fank0
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There are no limits
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posted June 04, 2008 08:01 PM |
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Yes they do have 50% health(SoD)Sometime they will get hit,defense helps a lot....
Since when Lizard Warriors have 20 HP ? And if they get hit , then you have screwed your battle.
Both of them are taking retailiations and they are standing near shooters, because it's awkward to deal with them.
Yeah , sure. I always aim to take retal with the slowest unit in my army. And how many dwarves/walking dead do you have ? 100 ? You got may be 20 which are usually gone in the first 2-3 turns. This is when they are useful.Later you do not really need them until the final battle or possibly some bad block. And in final batlle you cannot always afford to purchase all troops which leaves dwarves often unbought.
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Nikita
Famous Hero
Meepo is underrated
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posted June 05, 2008 07:19 AM |
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Marksman have 10 HP=100%
Lizards Warriors have 15 HP=150%
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Plague
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Only Hell know my pain
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posted June 05, 2008 09:13 AM |
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Dwarves are worthless too. Are very similar to walking foos.
U must be joking.In the elven campaign when the enemy had more creature then me,those dwarven help me a lot.Every week i recruited centaurs,dwarves and archers.After some time i had 300-400 centaurs,200 dwarves,and with haste spell,god they have good defence,good atack and magic resitance.Or using teleport to put dwarvs near them.Belive me,all lvl 2 creatures if u recruit it regulary,in time will be a many and this will help.Let's think a litle,even we have 1k peasent,we said bah,they are weaks,but if u succed to hit one time with 1000 peasent,if a peasent do 1 dmg,1k will do 1k dmg.Well,dont u think that will help?
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fank0
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posted June 05, 2008 10:06 AM |
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Marksman have 10 HP=100%
Lizards Warriors have 15 HP=150%
You are correct. Something is definitely going wrong with my mind 
Still, marksmen are better imo.
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zamfir
Promising
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Allez allez allez
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posted June 05, 2008 12:26 PM |
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Yeah , sure. I always aim to take retal with the slowest unit in my army.
With Rampart yoou don't go for the enemy, you let him come. Then, you can eat retailiations.
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fank0
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There are no limits
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posted June 05, 2008 06:39 PM |
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Yeah , sure. I always aim to take retal with the slowest unit in my army.
With Rampart yoou don't go for the enemy, you let him come. Then, you can eat retailiations.
Ignorance is bliss ...
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popular_feeds
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 06, 2008 07:49 AM |
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double-shooting marksmen are best for me.
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Nikita
Famous Hero
Meepo is underrated
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posted June 06, 2008 09:31 AM |
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ok,i give up Marksman are the best,but Lizards are on the 2nd.
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zamfir
Promising
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Allez allez allez
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posted June 06, 2008 06:17 PM |
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Yeah , sure. I always aim to take retal with the slowest unit in my army.
With Rampart yoou don't go for the enemy, you let him come. Then, you can eat retailiations.
Ignorance is bliss ...
Pal, with Rampart you don't go for the enemy. You can't enter combat with Dwarves and Dendroids early, and you don't want to face the enemy with only 75% of your HPs. In the ranged departament, you are usually in advantage (except for the Tower), so he must come, not you.
Let's see what some veterans think about the dwarves:
"DWARVES/BATTLE DWARVES
A sturdy unit with solid Hit Points cranked out in sufficient numbers with a Magic Resistance special of 20 and 40%, respectively. With the horde building a fully producing Rampart delivers 20 Battle Dwarves per week or 400 Hit Points. In time this will add up to an impressive number of them, and while they are not the most dangerous unit damage-wise a big stack of Battle Dwarves is a great unit to eat up retaliations. On the other hand Dwarves and Battle Dwarves won't play any role in the initial days of a scenario. The Dwarves would slow your hero down and that's not what you want. So leave all Dwarves at home that come with your heroes. Grade them up after the Centaurs and buy them as Battle Dwarves only.
Let's see, how sturdy them Dwarves really are. 60 Dwarves led by a Ranger face 54 Wolf Raiders led by a Battle Mage. The Attack/Defense differential will probably be around 0. Wolf Raiders are faster, so they wait the Dwarves out and then attack. Their first hit does 162-216 damage killing 9 Dwarves on average. Assuming an Attack/Defense differential of +2, the remaining 51 Battle Dwarves retaliate for 112-224 damage, killing 16 Wolf Raiders on average. Now the remaining 38 Wolf Raiders hit again for 114-152 damage, killing another 7 Dwarves on average. So after the first Wolf Raiders attack we have 44 Battle Dwarves facing 38 Wolf Raiders which is not nearly good enough for the Wolf Raiders.
Using the Dwarves as kamikaze stack you decide to attack a stack of 14 Wyvern Monarchs with your stack of 90 Battle Dwarves. The unmodified A/D differential is -7 and since the opposing Beastmaster will have a higher Defense Value than you have an Attack Value, let's assume an A/D differential of -10. 90 Battle Dwarves will do a modified damage of 135-270 damage, killing just short of 3 WMs on average which is not very impressive. On the other hand you just want to eat up retaliation for attacks with other units of yours, so the interesting question is, how many Dwarves will you lose? The A/D differential is +7 for the Wyvern Monarchs, but this will reduce because of the high Defense value of your heroes compared to the lower Attack value of the opponent, say to +4. 12 Wyvern Monarchs will do a modified damage of 239-316, killing 13 Battle Dwarves on average or around 1 per Wyvern Monarch. Not a substantial loss.
Because of their sturdyness Battle Dwarves would make great guards for the Elves, but as we will see, Dwarves and Dendroids won't always do as guards for the Elves in later stages of the game (neither speed nor hex wise), so you may use at least either Dwarves or Dendroids in other ways."
(Jolly Joker)
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fank0
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posted June 07, 2008 10:08 AM |
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I wonder if you would agree to play a game against me.
Then you will see what i am talking about.
And no , i do not have gold to buy out dwarves and dendroids. Rampart is all about cents, elf and unicorns. It is that simple.
In endgame you just add everything else you have.
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Dassa_Gozza
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 10, 2008 10:58 AM |
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My favourite 2nd level would be marksmen. It is just beautyful watching thous guys slashing early game map creatures. Shooting twice make incredible difference. Their problem is vulnerability, they are most targeted castle creature, but having that awesome AA's ressurection helps a great deal!
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nickkkk
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Necro fan since 1988
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posted June 28, 2010 08:18 AM |
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Clearly Storm Elements. They have the best ratings for a 2 lvl creature and they can easily beat a grand elf or an evil eye from range and posibly close range as well.
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Gray
Adventuring Hero
Huh...
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posted June 28, 2010 04:54 PM |
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Marksmen, I love 'em.
Second award goes to Harpy Hags.
Storm Elementals on third place.
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ohforfsake
Promising
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Initiate
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posted June 28, 2010 08:12 PM |
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Storm Elements, these guys are mid to high 3rd level units, the first unit, iIRC, that actually out powers them in the level 3 tier is the ice element. Though clearly overpowered by Dragonflies, Cerburi, Royal Griffins and maybe some I don't remember.
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WonderHenn
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2012 06:36 AM |
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The best are overpowered Storm elementals.
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