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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 02, 2007 02:11 AM |
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Phoenixes do 30-40 damage, and have 21 attack and 18 defense. Archangel has 30 defense, and 250 hp, and does 50 damage.AA will do 75 damage(at least) per hit. That's 3 hits to a phoenix. Even if we boost the phoenix damage to 60, b/c there's two, the AA's still gonna put up a fight, as it will take the phoenixes 5 attacks to dispose of it. My bad about the AA winning, I thought it would, but it does take about 7 hits for a phoenix to kill an archangel, due to AA's superior health and defense.
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Lathspell
Hired Hero
The Great White
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posted May 02, 2007 02:06 PM |
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Don't forget about the stuff that makes phoenixes famous. They resurrect themselves. Well, a piece of themselves, but its more than enough. Indeed Phoenixes will win, although the AA will put up a nice fight.
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted May 02, 2007 03:06 PM |
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Phoenix dosen't even need it's 2 hex attack or great self resurrection ability againts AA. SwampLord make a test whit map editor whitch is really superior here and you can see AA can only kill one Phoenix in battle (two if AA starts the match or gets morale etc) still clear as day. Phoenix is superior whit their growth.
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Yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted May 02, 2007 08:55 PM |
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Edited by Yasmiel at 20:58, 02 May 2007.
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All level 7 hav4e their uses imho  ... Phoenixes are slightly IMBA tho, i think.
Mostly because they are way too cheap..
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 02, 2007 09:57 PM |
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I know, I forgot about resurrection. Maybe if there were 2 stacks of AA's... Just kidding. I know phoenixes are superior, my calculations were a bit off, sorry.
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Rhodan
Adventuring Hero
from Holland
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posted May 07, 2007 06:52 PM |
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I think 1 lv. 7 vs. 1 lv. 7 is highly unpractical in games.
Let me put my favourite combination of heroes and lv. 7 creatures.
Scout/Magic Hero - Phoenix, Black Dragon
Archer Hero - Titan
Speed (Anti-Archer) Hero - Archangel, Arch Devil, Ghost Dragon
Melee Hero - Chaos Hydra, Ancient Behemoth
Defensive Hero - Gold Dragon
I name Gold Dragon for a Defensive Hero as I use Gold Dragons more for guarding castles. Then, full offense can be focused on all other areas. (=
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garitones
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 08, 2007 08:12 PM |
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i think this have nothing to do with the level of the creatures
since theres is never going to be a fight without the stats of the hero or the artifacts, this changes all of the above said, so the the best level 7 creature is the one that has the best artifacts and stats of the hero, maybe in heroes 4 where cu can split ur army and make them fight just by their own stats and skill there u could talk about wich is the best creature
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Lathspell
Hired Hero
The Great White
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posted May 08, 2007 08:56 PM |
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It's considered both heroes have exactly the same stats and artefacts, all the spells too. In those conditions, what would the best seventh level creature be. It's true you can't say based only on 1 on 1. In that condition, the archangel looses his ressurection ability, the hydra's special ability becomes totally useless, and there are strategies where the titan's ranged ability makes ALL the difference.
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Bigbadfly
Famous Hero
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posted May 08, 2007 09:02 PM |
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Hehe...
Just if you ask, me i think phoenixes ****! They get killed the first!
Sacred phoenixes are different thought, they are fast and thought, but this was about Phoenix Vs AA...
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 08, 2007 09:14 PM |
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Sacred phoenixes? Do you mean firebirds, then phoenixes? Sure, they die fast, and suck, but with rebirth and a 2-1 advantage(more with rebirth) it doesn't matter.
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Bigbadfly
Famous Hero
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posted May 08, 2007 09:24 PM |
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No, i mean sacred phoenixes.
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Lathspell
Hired Hero
The Great White
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posted May 08, 2007 09:26 PM |
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It's not relevant. Sacred Phoenix are faster? So what? The Phoenix is the fastest thing in Heroes 3. Not taking Wake of Gods into consideration. Then you'd compare Sacred Phoenix with Supreme Archangel, but those are 8 level creatures. And two to one, Phoenixes kick AA ass.
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Bigbadfly
Famous Hero
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posted May 08, 2007 09:31 PM |
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Phoenix cant win aa without the rebirth, but i dont understand how to kill sacred phoenix, if it always rebirths?
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 08, 2007 09:55 PM |
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Oh, sorry dude, I didn't know about sacred phoenixes in WoG. This is the H3 forum, not the WoG one. No, even without rebirth, AA still lose. 1 AA= 250 HP, 50 damage
2 Phoenix- 400 HP, 60-80(goes down some when take into account AA superior defense, but phoenix will still win)
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ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted May 09, 2007 11:16 AM |
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Edited by ecoris at 11:18, 09 May 2007.
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Actually Swamplord, The two phoenixes will only win because of their rebirth ability as Bigbadfly mentioned. Otherwise a single AA could beat them.
Don't underestimate A/D.
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Yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted May 09, 2007 01:54 PM |
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Even heroes with same stats can still be different...
For example both heroes with 0ATT and 0DEF is not the same as both heroes with 50ATT and 50DEF
For example... AA vs AB... first case..
AA: 30 ATT, 6 DEF --> Dealing 155% DMG to AB
AB: 19 ATT, 19 DEF --> Dealing 165% DMG to AA
Second case with ATT & DEF at 50
AA: 80 ATT, 16 DEF --> Dealing 155% DMG to AB
AB: 69 ATT, 69 DEF --> Dealing 365% DMG to AA
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Bigbadfly
Famous Hero
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posted May 09, 2007 06:50 PM |
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Quote:
Oh, sorry dude, I didn't know about sacred phoenixes in WoG. This is the H3 forum, not the WoG one. No, even without rebirth, AA still lose. 1 AA= 250 HP, 50 damage
2 Phoenix- 400 HP, 60-80(goes down some when take into account AA superior defense, but phoenix will still win)
Of course this is a H3 forum, not WoG, but i just mentionend it!
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doom3d
Known Hero
Avatar of general Z
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posted May 09, 2007 07:45 PM |
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So AB can beat AA, if both heroes are strong..
(70-70-70-70, for exemple)
But what about 2N Phoenixes against N Ancient Behemots? (Worst case hero A+D values?)
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Bigbadfly
Famous Hero
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posted May 09, 2007 08:37 PM |
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2N? What that means?
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 09, 2007 08:46 PM |
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It's a variable. It means that the Phoenixes will always outnumber AB by 2. Have you taken Algebra?
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