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supergub
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posted August 14, 2009 12:57 AM |
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Best level 7 is obviously Archangel, They shouldn't have had 3 gems, maybe 2, because they are the most exspensive in gold as well(tied with titans, +1 gem)
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Rion is my favorite hero, Marksman is my favorite unit, Haste is my favorite spell.
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Guitarguy
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Rockoon.
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posted August 14, 2009 10:23 AM |
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But then, Archangels have their powerful Resurrection ability. It makes sense to me that they carry a heftier cost than Titans, who lack a similar special ability.
-Guitarguy
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Eliteleader
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 16, 2009 11:53 AM |
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Hard choice between archangels and black dragons. Think I'll have to go with archangels due to their powerful res ability.
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Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other"
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supergub
Hired Hero
Abridged series fan
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posted August 16, 2009 07:56 PM |
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I really think that the Titans are a close second, because of the shooting. I'll always think it's the Archangels though.
So, what about unupgraded 7th levels? What's the best of them?
P.S. EliteLeader, I like the thing in your signature. It goes on further than that though.
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HOMM3 is my favorite game, Castle is my favorite town,
Rion is my favorite hero, Marksman is my favorite unit, Haste is my favorite spell.
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apu
Tavern Dweller
guardian of tower
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posted August 17, 2009 12:22 AM |
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titans.Only 7th level creature that shoots and they are cheapest 7th level dveling to build + they are imune to some nasy spells  .
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Magusforever
Tavern Dweller
Black Dragons Rule
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posted August 21, 2009 01:54 AM |
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i think Black Dragons are the best. If there is no magic allowed then Arch Angles win but with B.Dragons are unstoppable
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Guitarguy
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Rockoon.
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posted August 21, 2009 08:54 AM |
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I agree that magic-resistant Dragons are nice to have, but I feel more secure when I'm able to resurrect my level 7's. Dragons can deal a lot of damage and take a lot of punishment, but they can be felled like everything else. In a long brutal game, preserving those expensive troops is crucial. I won't always have the black Orb when I'm using my Dragons, so they're much more precious when I play as Dungeon or Rampart.
-Guitarguy
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Midas
Hired Hero
Touching things...
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posted August 31, 2009 02:25 PM |
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The Heretic
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nah, just kidding 
I'd have to say the best is Archangel
but my favourite(sorry for the "u", I don't speak American English) is Gold Dragon
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Geltnim
Hired Hero
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posted September 01, 2009 11:58 AM |
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To be objective, it's the archangels, with up to 130 damage per one if you have an average attack skill, +1 morale, 150% against devils, fast flying, and ressurecting ability (three other 7 lvl units beat him regarding HPs, though).
Biasedly, it's phoenixes, if only because of their mystically subtle and gentle look, which no other 7 lvl creature has (maybe only angels, too). Their biggest stat, to me, is the fact you get 4 of them per week. Rebirth is, mostly, their failed attemp to have their revenge, fire spell immunity is immunity from but one school of spells, and speed must be used with caution, as it's often dangerous to send phoenixes alone among the enemies.
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Tzeentch
Hired Hero
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posted September 01, 2009 04:45 PM |
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Edited by Tzeentch at 16:46, 01 Sep 2009.
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Black Dragons are definately the best.
But my favourite is either Ancient Behemoth or Chaos Hydra. AB deals the most damage with it's ability and when used tactically and with the haste spell they can cause havoc.
For unupgraded, Devil. It may sound weird, but IMO they are the best in unupgradeds.
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supergub
Hired Hero
Abridged series fan
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posted September 02, 2009 01:12 AM |
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Black Dragons are definately the best.
But my favourite is either Ancient Behemoth or Chaos Hydra. AB deals the most damage with it's ability and when used tactically and with the haste spell they can cause havoc.
For unupgraded, Devil. It may sound weird, but IMO they are the best in unupgradeds.
Yeah, devils have the 2nd best speed, and better attack than firebirds makes up for the speed difference, I think, I don't have the stats around right now, so...umm...I can't be accurate with this stuff. I know the devil has lower speed though.
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HOMM3 is my favorite game, Castle is my favorite town,
Rion is my favorite hero, Marksman is my favorite unit, Haste is my favorite spell.
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Geltnim
Hired Hero
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posted September 02, 2009 11:35 PM |
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Quote:
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Black Dragons are definately the best.
But my favourite is either Ancient Behemoth or Chaos Hydra. AB deals the most damage with it's ability and when used tactically and with the haste spell they can cause havoc.
For unupgraded, Devil. It may sound weird, but IMO they are the best in unupgradeds.
Yeah, devils have the 2nd best speed, and better attack than firebirds makes up for the speed difference, I think, I don't have the stats around right now, so...umm...I can't be accurate with this stuff. I know the devil has lower speed though.
Devil is very expensive. And I'd say not even the stronger arch devil deserves 4500+2 mercury. The 100-140 damage-dealing archangel and a titan with its ranking ability and health, deserve it, but the devil, whose damage is mostly sub-par and only impressive for its "no retaliation" thing, is overrated... I do like his speed and durability, though.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted September 03, 2009 10:27 AM |
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Could you tell me where you "100-140 damage dealing" comes from?
As far as I know, AAs deal 50 base damage. An AD deals 30-40. Both are able to raise their damage due to high attack skill of the hero or offense skill of the hero.
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Geltnim
Hired Hero
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posted September 03, 2009 02:07 PM |
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Could you tell me where you "100-140 damage dealing" comes from?
As far as I know, AAs deal 50 base damage. An AD deals 30-40. Both are able to raise their damage due to high attack skill of the hero or offense skill of the hero.
When my heroes, with circa 3-5 attack skill, had archangels, the AAs dealt at least 100 damage, and in very rare occasions when I confronted enemy heroes with 7 or 10 defense skill, dealt 50-60 damage. I, understandably, never gave archangel stacks to inexperienced heroes with low primary skills.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 03, 2009 02:47 PM |
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Err, you DO know how damage is calculated in Heroes III, right?
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Casihasi
Known Hero
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posted September 03, 2009 05:37 PM |
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Best L7 obviously doesnīt exist..
If you have Orrin with tactics and manage to surround your Titans with Iron Golems or something else, it is very hard to beat Titans.
If you face an armorer like Mepha, Ancients can be the best.
Archdevils are nasty with resurrection or sacrifice.
We donīt have to talk about Archangels...
There is a worst L7 for final battles thou: Chaos Hydras.
Can be good vs. the map, but a human opponent can avoid the multiple attack most of the times, and Hydras are too slow and donīt deal enough damage without it.
Also gold dragons are bad if the opponent has implo, and they cost a fortune to build...Blackies are better with everything, screw that 1 speed.
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rottenvenetic
Known Hero
Derusticated
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posted September 03, 2009 08:12 PM |
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In my view there are 3 candidates: Black dragon, Phoenix and Archangel.
So let's compare in a few unfortunately subjective categories, with 2 points for best, 1 for second and 0 for worst, with ties splitting the goods.
Now, 2 Phoenixes and 1 black dragon each cost 2 rare resource points and 4000 gold while 1 Archangel is more expensive by 1000 gold and 1 rare resource. However cost is not that important as you will rather regret not having that +1 powerful unit in a fight than that +1000 gold and +1 rare resource outside of a fight.
So, to make this category a full scorer, we can include the fact that Archangels will only ever strike 1 unit whereas BD's and Phoenixes have the opportunity to strike two (which can be turned into a liability, but this can be avoided with skill).
Score: AA:0 BD:1.5 PH:1.5
Against magic hero:
Black dragon > Phoenix > Archangel
Blacks are fully immune, and phoenixes are better than archangels because they have *2 numbers and thus more HP to withstand damage spells, as well as fire immunity (no blind) and more speed to tank a Slow.
Score: AA:0 BD:3.5 PH:2.5
Against might hero:
Archangel > Phoenix > Black dragon
Best stats win here if HP can keep up somewhat, and Archangels have the highest stats (30/30 versus 21/18 and 25/25) as well as the controlled Resurrection ability with ample potential for abuse which puts Archangels WAY ahead here. Phoenixes win to Blacks because they have the speed and HP advantages, and even in defeat some of them rise again.
Due to current trends and the Archangels' significant superiority here, this score will be doubled. Also, because the Might of your units will count most if an enemy mage relies on elemental spamming.
Score: AA: 4 BD:3.5 PH:4.5
Against each other, heroes notwithstanding:
2 Phoenixes vs. 1 Archangel: The Archangel wins with 50 HP remaining (average dmg from phoenixes - 70 before def - considered). In practice usually a little less due to rounding down to unit.
2 Phoenixes vs. 1 Black Dragon : The Phoenixes win, but only one of them survives with 34 HP if the Black Dragon always deals average damage. In practice a little less due to rounding down to unit.
1 Black Dragon vs 1 Archangel: The Archangel wins with 62 hit points left (both avg. damages rounded down to unit)
So, again, Archangel > Phoenix > Black Dragon.
Score: AA:6 BD:3.5 PH:5.5
So, if my analysis is any good, Archangels are clearly the best among the best 3 units in the game, with Phoenixes a very close second and the otherwise much feared Black Dragons third.
Other level 7's are weaker than these 3 because of certain disadvantages:
1. Titans: Being shooter doesn't count against any of the Big 3 and their attack and offense is too low vs. the Archangel's might and the Phoenix's HP. And the Black Dragon is also marginally better, but it wins by its magic immunity and the fact that it can attack 2 units.
2. Chaos Hydras: Their speed is awful so they depend on tactics or teleport to use well. No Enemy Retal and their multiheaded attack compensate for this but not enough. Their att/def is also not up to scratch except against phoenixes, and those have a big hp advantage to compensate, as well as vastly superior damage to any single target.
3. Archdevils: Between their strong att/def and no retaliation ability they are very powerful. The Archdevil is the best Might counter for Archangels since it scores 2 hits to Archangel's 1. However its stats are still slightly lower and its HP are poor, leaving it open to magic even more than the Archangel. -1 enemy luck can have its significance as well. It is also defeated by the very same Archangel's powerful Resurrection skill.
4. Spectral Dragon, said to be the weakest level 7 anyway: It can be powerful against other level 7's with its aging attack but that's only 20%. Like the devil it has poor hp, but also poorer stats; on the other hand it has a more useful -1 morale and it is cheap. The Skeleton/Skeleton Warrior is the mainstay with the Undead anyway.
5. Ancient Behemoth: It has solid HP and a devastating attack but its mobility is poor next to the Big Three and it is trumped by magic. Slow will make it crawl at a pitiful pace. Its defense is also rather weak so if it doesn't strike first against a comparable level 7 stack (and it won't, unless it's chaos hyrdas) it will get badly damaged.
6. Gold Dragon: Slight speed and stats advantage over the Black Dragon offset the latter's HP advantage but the Gold Dragon is only in 4th place due to its vulnerability to level 5 spells, specifically Implosion, which will always be targeted on them. They can't be protected with Expert Anti Magic because that is not level 5! Magic Mirror is only 80% as effective (40% but doubled as it goes on an enemy if successful). So the Black Dragon just stays ahead.
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Geltnim
Hired Hero
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posted September 03, 2009 08:30 PM |
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Err, you DO know how damage is calculated in Heroes III, right?
Look, pal, for the fact that you're a "supreme hero" and that I've been here since a week only I don't give a s***. I behave here as politely as I can, putting up even with things I have all rights not to put up with, and you have no right to address to me like that, and I'll do my best to avoid any type of contact with you if you continue demeaning me for no reason, understand !?
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 03, 2009 09:28 PM |
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 03, 2009 09:45 PM |
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You haven't seen JJ's impolite side, trust me on that one.
But, really, do you know?
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