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Lumske_Beaver
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posted September 03, 2009 10:32 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 09:32, 04 Sep 2009.
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Archangel rules.... In one on one battles the Ancinet Behemoth wins at best 50% of the time. Not bad but what else does it do? The Archangel adds morale to your army and resurrects troops and allows you to go first most of the time in a battle. As for hit points, while it doesn't have 300, it has its 30 defense to protect it. It is the true lord of the battlefield.
There is no doubt that arcangels and behemoth are the best one vs. one, but I can't see the reason of discussing this. 1 vs. 1 battles nearly tells nothing: The specialities and clever use of the creatures is much more important.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted September 04, 2009 09:37 AM |
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Err, you DO know how damage is calculated in Heroes III, right?
Look, pal, for the fact that you're a "supreme hero" and that I've been here since a week only I don't give a s***. I behave here as politely as I can, putting up even with things I have all rights not to put up with, and you have no right to address to me like that, and I'll do my best to avoid any type of contact with you if you continue demeaning me for no reason, understand !?
If you enter a club for professional dancing, and start jumping around like a rabbit, you HAVE to expect someone asking you: "You DO know how to dance, don't you?"
The better idea would be to just sit around in that club for a while, watch others how they dance and if you get the picture, try it yourself.
So read through the library here a bit. You will find many threads with many informations which will enlighten you for sure. And you will see how your posts will change 
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted September 04, 2009 09:39 AM |
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There is a worst L7 for final battles thou: Chaos Hydras.
Can be good vs. the map, but a human opponent can avoid the multiple attack most of the times, and Hydras are too slow and donīt deal enough damage without it.
Have to disagree completely here. Worst level 7 for sure is the Ghost dragon.
And the problem with chaos hydras is, they are just damn hard to kill. High defense, maybe shield and armorer....solid.
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted September 04, 2009 05:11 PM |
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Worst level 7 for sure is the Ghost dragon.
And the problem with chaos hydras is, they are just damn hard to kill. High defense, maybe shield and armorer....solid.
I tend to agree with you that Ghost Dragon is worst. But just to mention:
- shield and armorer can be present for them aswell.
- Minus 1 moral for enemy armie could be decisive. Espetially if the battle is long - higher chance for the moral to appear.
- Ageing could turn battles aswell.
I am not saying that Ghost Dragons are better, just that they are not so much worst.
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pei
Famous Hero
Fresh Air.
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posted September 04, 2009 05:52 PM |
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There is a worst L7 for final battles thou: Chaos Hydras.
Can be good vs. the map, but a human opponent can avoid the multiple attack most of the times, and Hydras are too slow and donīt deal enough damage without it.
Have to disagree completely here. Worst level 7 for sure is the Ghost dragon.
And the problem with chaos hydras is, they are just damn hard to kill. High defense, maybe shield and armorer....solid.
Besides humans addicted to these Hydras creatures are also addictid to speed...they cant help it. They look for speed artifacts and IF they have teleport then you wont be able to stop them as easily as you think.
What are two of the most searched spells in HOMM? Haste and Slow! With any of these the Hydras become very powerfull. (Of course i would go for speed but slowing your enemies makes them harder to escape this multi-headed beast)
In my opinion, its one of the most difficult creatures to kill.
BUT not the best.
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nickkkk
Known Hero
Necro fan since 1988
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posted June 28, 2010 08:10 AM |
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My favourite is the Black Dragon. And I think it is one of the best. But in certain moments I would like to have the Ghost Dragons to halfen the life of archangels or titans. 
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Vampire Lord (Dracula)
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BG-Rebel
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 29, 2010 08:04 AM |
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Alco
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 28, 2010 07:22 AM |
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Black Dragons all the way
why?
dude... they are dragons... and they are black! Double-up on awesome!
Additionally spew fire, which is pretty much the only thing you would have to get my pants off me
And magic immunity? Well i guess its okay but well... i often wanna put slayer, frenzy and bless on a 3000 stack black dragons and attack a titan stack... maybe with a luck strike hehe just to see the dmg can you do that if you have orb of vulnerability? im a newb
oh and they can smite 2 baddies in one breath 
and they have 300 hp
best evar
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suicidpeiarba
Hired Hero
Romanian competition cavalier
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posted August 28, 2010 01:09 PM |
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Black Dragons all the way
why?
dude... they are dragons... and they are black! Double-up on awesome!
Additionally spew fire, which is pretty much the only thing you would have to get my pants off me
And magic immunity? Well i guess its okay but well... i often wanna put slayer, frenzy and bless on a 3000 stack black dragons and attack a titan stack... maybe with a luck strike hehe just to see the dmg can you do that if you have orb of vulnerability? im a newb
oh and they can smite 2 baddies in one breath
and they have 300 hp
best evar
The Archangels can kill everyone anytime. If anyone has a doubt, just check it.
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Petrus_Daniel
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 28, 2010 01:12 PM |
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If you look at the game as a whole, the best still seam to be pheonixes, they have fire imunity wich means you can use armagedon at leasure, same as with black dragons, but better couse you still can use other benificial magic on them, like mass bless, prayr or other good stuff, they are very cheap and you get 4 per week, plus they are better then some level 7 creatures of some castles wich only get 2 per week. They are nearly as good as devils and lets not forget 21 speed, you nearly always move first, exept if you meet someone with some swiftness artifacts and/or abilitis.
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Petrus_Daniel
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 28, 2010 08:14 PM |
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By the way dose anyone play online ? where can i finde playing parteners for homm 2 and homm 3 ?
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Haregar
Famous Hero
of destruction
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posted August 28, 2010 11:10 PM |
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If we take stats on the table, then Archangel will be the best 7th creature. No doubt about that.
And they look cool as well...
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted August 28, 2010 11:20 PM |
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No stats, but speed. With only HP/AT/DF stats, archangels are eaten alive by behemots. Pressing wait give them the advantage in one on one fight.
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Haregar
Famous Hero
of destruction
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posted August 28, 2010 11:41 PM |
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No stats, but speed. With only HP/AT/DF stats, archangels are eaten alive by behemots. Pressing wait give them the advantage in one on one fight.
Mhm I read on one website, that Archangels are the best units. Maybe it wasn't about stats, my bad then, but their flying ability and speed indeed is a very good thing.
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Duke_Falcon
Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
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posted August 29, 2010 08:54 PM |
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I think there is not really a 'best' level 7...
It's depends on what contain your army, how many, what are your heroes skills, spells and even the terrain where you fight not to mention the opposing armies and it's abilities...
My personal favourite is the Black dragon.
Maybe not the best but I usually slay down whole armies with them! And there often happens that I cry laudly because them when they finally die and I can't ressurrect them while my opponent ressurrects her\his killed Arch angels...
Arch angels are good to but in a one-on-one face-to-face combat they often lost against other l7s (like Behemoths).
But to answer... I think the 'best'l7 is the Arch devil after a mass slow effect on the enemy... Just pause and let the slaughter begin (And if they team up with dragons... Well, just rocks!)
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suicidpeiarba
Hired Hero
Romanian competition cavalier
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posted August 29, 2010 10:51 PM |
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I think there is not really a 'best' level 7...
It's depends on what contain your army, how many, what are your heroes skills, spells and even the terrain where you fight not to mention the opposing armies and it's abilities...
My personal favourite is the Black dragon.
Maybe not the best but I usually slay down whole armies with them! And there often happens that I cry laudly because them when they finally die and I can't ressurrect them while my opponent ressurrects her\his killed Arch angels...
Arch angels are good to but in a one-on-one face-to-face combat they often lost against other l7s (like Behemoths).
But to answer... I think the 'best'l7 is the Arch devil after a mass slow effect on the enemy... Just pause and let the slaughter begin (And if they team up with dragons... Well, just rocks!)
I only suggest you to try to put face-to-face 1 behemot against 1 archangel, and you will se how far behemot will cry. Even 25 against 25.
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suicidpeiarba
Hired Hero
Romanian competition cavalier
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posted August 29, 2010 11:13 PM |
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In 1vs1 Behemoths wins, even if Arch Angels uses wait.
If you increase the numbers, the power of wait increases as well, because less amount will retaliate (in 1 vs 1 the power of retaliate is always of 100% of original value, so it's not as much about attacking first, but picking when to attack (e.g. you might need to hit 3 times to win, the opponent also needs to hit 3 times, press wait and you'll loose, because you'll hit like this:
AA: HitA (1)
Behemoth retal: HitB (1)
AA: HitA (2)
Behemoth retal: HitB (2)
Behemoth: Hit(B) (3)
AA: goes down.
This was just an example, it's not 3 hits needed, but at least what I've noticed it seems like if you use wait and fight like you otherwise would, Behemoths have less than ~60 hit points at the last hit (can't remember the exact number), meaning AA's could have won, if they had attacked in a way that they'd be getting next hit and not next retal (the reason the choice is of the AA's are because they're the fastest unit).
Anyway, in higher numbers, even the phoenix [in my opinion, stat-wise, the clearly weakest level 7 (funny, it's much stronger than any level 6 and much weaker than any level 7, it's more like a level 6.5, if it wasn't for its amazing speed, immunity and rebirth], iIRC, can defeat ancient behemoths in equal numbers if you also let some single units take retal, etc.
Also on the same note, iIRC 2 phoenix looses to 1 arch angel, but 200 phoneix by just standard attacking defeats 100 archangels (and 100 anything below level 8) without any problems.
it's what you figured yourself or is somewhere written that standard?
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JackD
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 30, 2010 03:42 PM |
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You should have made a poll out of this.
Truth is, 1 AA could be a real pain in the ass when you fight an army of, let's say, 50 Black Dragons.
You start and fly to the Black Dragon. The Black Dragons strike back and a lot of your own creatures die 
I love the combination of the AA and the Titan
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suicidpeiarba
Hired Hero
Romanian competition cavalier
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posted August 30, 2010 06:37 PM |
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They're experiences from tests made by myself. I can only encourage people to test by themselves and see what kind of win/loss ratio they get.
and don't forget about 1 morale of Archangel's..
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suicidpeiarba
Hired Hero
Romanian competition cavalier
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posted August 31, 2010 01:17 AM |
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I never considered moral (always made sure there were zero moral, neutral ground, equal stats, etc. for all battles).
I think it can be justified because in game, it's more likely both players have max moral due to all the places you can visit that gives you a morale boost, so it's equal for both parties.
However when applying a random variable, you'll in principle need infinite test to get a completely accurate response (and there are many other random variables as well), but since both of these are equally for both sides, I decided just to not include it as it should in average happen equally often.
You shouldn't exclude moral, because it'a an ability of Archangel to gave 1 moral. So don't count those boustes, because we talk about 1 AA against 1 behe.
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