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hobowu
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posted May 17, 2006 02:43 PM |
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thats where heroes is slightly unbalanced  (AAs, BDs...) they are just slightly overpowered, but meh... (don't tell me they are expensive or something like that, all towns are self sufficient, with the exception of tower, which is a few thousand gold off every week, and tower has such a dodgy lv 7 unit, even though i love the titans...hit without being hurt yourself, and when u DO get hurt, u survive longer )
my vote would have to go with the phoenix actually, not because of the production, but because of the speed, u get to go first, and immunity to fire magic, armageddon, and when the phoenix dies, regen and u can armageddon again... lol!
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elanmorin
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 30, 2006 10:37 AM |
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Archangel, no doubt.
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Iris
Responsible
Supreme Hero
of Typos
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posted June 02, 2006 07:51 PM |
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Archangels are indeed very good, but I still prefer Titans. Angels can be blinded; Titans cannot. Angels can be slowed (so that they can't reach you in one turn), Titans shoot no matter how slow they are (unless there's an enemy unit next to it).
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God2
Adventuring Hero
Your benevolent deity
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posted June 03, 2006 03:47 AM |
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Edited by God2 at 03:53, 03 Jun 2006.
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If you compare the creatures just by power, then Archangels are the best in my opinion. They have allround great stats, and can also resurrect and give +1 morale.
If you have to take structure and creature costs into the picture, the comparison will become more difficult.
I might go for Ancient Behemots with their awesome damage output, or perhaps even Hydra with their early appearance and big combat potential. (regular ones)
You might now think that I am a raving fool, but think of the usefulness of the unit. When you get to archangels, I already have used Hydra in a couple of weeks. Also, you will need to secure several Gem Ponds, or have access to a trading post to be easily able to afford your angels.
Also, if you take special situations into play, then Phoenix and Black Dragons would be the best ones, in conjunction with Armageddon.
For my favorite level 7, it is the Archdevils. I think it is silly that they are slower than angels though. They can teleport after all!
Also, they should rather have 28ATK, 26DEF, than have 26ATK, 28DEF. Their high defence does not fit their use as "wait, hit, return" fighters. They also cost a tad too much gold I think, if you compare them to Archangels.
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william
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Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted June 03, 2006 04:12 AM |
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Here is a table that I have created featuring all of the 7th level units in it and all their stats side by side for easy viewing:
PS: hope that turns out fine  
Well as you can see with the attack and defense, Archangels are best there.
Now with the damage it may be argued but the Titan seems to have the best with a damage of 40-60.
ArchAngels have a damage of 50, and thats their maximum and their minimum.
Titans have a minimum of 40 and a maximum of 60 so it can be argued by you.
Speed wise ArchAgnels are best, but with the AB and SOPD, Phoenix would be best (btw I couldnt fit the phoenix into the table, next time I will try if thats alright )
Cost goes to the Titans with their really high cost, 5000 gold + 2 gems  to much in my opinion.
Hitpoints goes to a few creatures: Titans, Black Dragons and Ancient Behemoths all have hitpoints of 300.
Hope you like my table.
And btw Titans may be the strongest only because of their damage imo.
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God2
Adventuring Hero
Your benevolent deity
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posted June 03, 2006 05:53 AM |
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Edited by God2 at 06:32, 03 Jun 2006.
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Both Titans and Archangels have an average of 50 damage, but the Titans only have 24 attack skill. This means that overall, the Angels will deal 30% more damage than Titans. Archangels will also recieve 15% less damage than Titans. Angels are more susceptible to spells though.
Highest cost goes to Archangels, costing 5000 gold and 3 gems.
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william
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Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted June 03, 2006 05:59 AM |
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Both Titans and Archangels have an average of 50 damage, but the Titans only have 24 attack skill. This means that overall, the Angels will deal 30% more damage than Titans. Archangels will also recieve 15% less damage than Titans. Angels are more suspectible to spells though.
Highest cost goes to Archangels, costing 5000 gold and 3 gems.
Angels are not more suspectible to spells.
Titans are actually as they are imune to mind affecting spells, whereas Angels are affected by every spell, so what you just said was a little bit incoorect im afraid.
Yes you are right about the 30% more damage that Angels can inflict upon Titans, but Titans max damage is 60, so they will deal more eventually.
Also it all comes down to the heroes that you have.
If your hero has 30 attack and defense primary skills, and your opponent only has 15 attack and defense primary skills, then you will kill ArchAngels easily.
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God2
Adventuring Hero
Your benevolent deity
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posted June 03, 2006 06:13 AM |
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Edited by God2 at 06:36, 03 Jun 2006.
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Angels are not more suspectible to spells.
Titans are actually as they are imune to mind affecting spells, whereas Angels are affected by every spell, so what you just said was a little bit incoorect im afraid.
Not at all. Here is the meaning of the word susceptible. (I misspelled it last time)
sus·cep·ti·ble P Pronunciation Key (s-spt-bl)
adj.
1. Easily influenced or affected: “She suddenly was too susceptible to her past” (Jimmy Breslin).
2. Likely to be affected: susceptible to colds.
3. Especially sensitive; highly impressionable.
4. Permitting an action to be performed; capable of undergoing: a statement susceptible of proof; a disease susceptible to treatment.
Angels are more susceptible to spells, meaning they are more vulnerable towards spells.
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Yes you are right about the 30% more damage that Angels can inflict upon Titans, but Titans max damage is 60, so they will deal more eventually.
No they will not. They deal 40 to 60 damage. 40+60 = 100, divide it by 2, and you get the average damage which is 50. They can deal more if you cast bless, but it can also be only 40 damage if your opponent casts curse.
Archangels will deal 65 damage to Titans, while Titans will deal an average of 42,5 damage to Archangels, or 34-51 if you will.
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Also it all comes down to the heroes that you have.
If your hero has 30 attack and defense primary skills, and your opponent only has 15 attack and defense primary skills, then you will kill ArchAngels easily.
Yes, but this is a pointless comparison, since the opposite is also just as true.
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Evil_Warrior
Famous Hero
Duke of Demon
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posted June 03, 2006 02:05 PM |
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No they will not. They deal 40 to 60 damage. 40+60 = 100, divide it by 2, and you get the average damage which is 50. They can deal more if you cast bless, but it can also be only 40 damage if your opponent casts curse.
Archangels will deal 65 damage to Titans, while Titans will deal an average of 42,5 damage to Archangels, or 34-51 if you will.
In addition, Archangels can rescurrect allied units by 100 health per Archangel. It makes them dangerous when divided into two or more stacks so that they can rescurrect each others.
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madman
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 15, 2006 06:39 PM |
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I like those lvl7 creatures in that order, but that's not the list of strongest creatures(chaos would have a bit better position )
Archangels - probably the most powerful lvl 7. Ressurrection is great! Hates Devils & Archdevils
Titan - Too expensive (like other tower creatures)
Ancient Behemoth - looks good & the special ability... GREAT!
Black Dragon - I like it the most of Dragons (after him comes Azure)
Other Dragons & Archdevil
and there is Phoenix, whom i dont like at all.
And last place belongs to Chaos Hydra(and all other Fortress creatures)
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Damacon_Ace
Famous Hero
Also known as Nobris Agni
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posted June 16, 2006 02:09 AM |
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In agreeing with the majority of players, I'd say the Archangels are the best level 7 creature.
Why? Becasue while they may not have magic immunity or 300 hits, they have 30 A/D, are very fast, give morale and can resurrect fallen enemies. I hate fighting AA's because I almost always lose a lot of army with these beings. However when I have lots of AA's and a strong knight or cleric, I kill most enemies with ease because of the Archangels' superiority in battle.
My rank is as follows:
1. Archangel - see above
2. Black Dragon - magic immunity and 300 HP are worthwile
3. Gold Dragon - immunity to all but lvl 5 spells, fast speed and wonderful stats are good
4. Arch Devil - great stats, fast speed and no retaliation are great, although expensive and low on hits
5. Titan - shoots, high hits, full melee and great stats. Expensive however
6. Ancient Behemoth - 80% defense reduction is great. 300 HP great. Cheap. Everything else poor
7. Phoenix - FAST! Double growth. Mediocre in everything else
8. Chaos Hydra - Multi attack/no retaliation makes wonders. Cheap. Slow as though. Stats mediocre
9. Ghost Dragon - Ageing OK. Fast. Poor in every other respect
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted June 19, 2006 09:30 AM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 11:20, 19 Jun 2006.
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AA is the best. I did beat 120 Blacks with only 38 AA and hero with no spells and A 5, D 7
EDIT: I didn't lose a single one, Resurrection rocks(3 stacks)
By the way did you know that AB is the only guy (not counting over 7 level units) who beats AA? And that titan is the only one that beats AB?
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M4Carbine
Hired Hero
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posted June 19, 2006 11:00 AM |
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AB does the most damage however it can also be easily defeated, its own defence is 19 and thats pretty low for a level 7, if you use all you units to gang up on a stack of behemoth, they'll get wasted easily.
Ghost dragons are crap, they die faster than death knights.
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Rhodan
Adventuring Hero
from Holland
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posted June 21, 2006 01:12 PM |
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My favourite stays the Arch Devil. It swould have been the best duelist if it wasn't for that Black Dragon... <_< So it all comes down on the luck factor. It's the theme of Hell that makes me like it.
But the best always depends on the situation. The first one I'd think of is the Hydra or Chaos Hydra will I ever find the Blind spell, muha.
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Xaremathras
Adventuring Hero
Always Full of Crap!!
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posted June 25, 2006 05:08 AM |
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Those 1v1 tests sucks. U cant decide which lvl 7 which is the best depending on 1v1 battles between them with heroes w/o skills&attributes and spells. If u do that youll miss so much. the black/gold drags spell immunities, hydra´s multi attack, titans mindspell immunity, Arch Angels possibility to resurrect and so on.
I dont think u can say that X is better than Y because he would kill him 1v1. I dont even think that there is a "best" lvl 7 creature, all is depending on the creatures specials, who they are fighting, which spells that are in the battle and so on.
Id say that almost everyone problably has a favourite lvl 7 creature, but there isnt anyone that is the best.
/Stefan
Oh and btw, my favourite lvl 7 creature is the Arch Angels, their possibility to resurrect wins many tough fights vs comp w/o any losses and they are great vs human opps too.
I agree with this guy from page 4
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Xaremathras
Adventuring Hero
Always Full of Crap!!
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posted June 25, 2006 05:46 AM |
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The Power Of Balance
HOMM III was made so that a player can learn about every nation. After they know which creatures there are, costs.etc. they pick a favourite nation and play with them most of the time. But this is not HOMM2. The warlocks don't have the best unit for every level. This game has balance and itdoes not matter which is your favourite nation because of balance. For example, Undead has bad level 2 and 3 creatures, but level 4,5 and 6 creatures are excellent. The Tower may have a strong level 7 unit, but it is weak in other areas. Also, the better the unit is, the more it costs. Why do you think that phoenixes are produced by 4's? It may be because they are weak. Or it may be because the conflux is weak in another area.
I say that every level 7 creature has a reason for being as powerful as they are.
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siv1
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 27, 2006 12:35 PM |
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Archangels are the ones most usefull against he AI id say, agaisnt players, titans and BDs are a bit better
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c0ldshadow
Known Hero
ig chr0meice91
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posted June 29, 2006 06:40 AM |
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my vote goes for black dragons. the multi-hex breath attack is overlooked sometimes. durable creatures with good stats and armageddon strategy is obviously nasty.
archangels can certainly have the case made for them that they are number 1, and definatley not lower than 2nd best in the game.
archangels are a guaranteed 1st or 2nd.
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Tiho
Hired Hero
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posted June 29, 2006 10:27 AM |
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Well it depends on situation.In most cases I would vote for Archangels,but if you have for example armagedon then blackies rule.
Also Ancient behemot is great for dealing damage,these 3 are my favourites.
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william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted June 29, 2006 10:36 AM |
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If you have I think the Orb of Inhibition artifact I think its called that, then nor you and your opponent can casts spells on the battlefield, rendering what you just said a bit useless.
We are talking about creatures here, and with spells cats on any creature then they become better.
For example:
Titans have bless cast on them.
Then Archangels get Bless cast on them
Then Titans get Prayer Cast on them.
Then ArchAngels get Prayer Cast on them
Then Titans and Archangels both get Haste cast on them
Then they get every good enhancing spell cast on them.
By enhancing I mean something that will help the creatures out in battle.
Then there are no more spells to cast except for the ones which you have already casted.
Imagine you can only cast a spell once per battle.
They will perhaps be pretty equal in stats or have the same stats as when they have no spells cast on them but being much higher, maybe in the 50s or 70s range.
So by casting spells and spells and spells on creatures, you cant really make them any better than the other creature, only perhaps a little stronger but that might be for only 1 round and then when the next round comes the opponent might cast dispel on you and then you have lost that ability for your creature.
Spells do not determine the battle unless they are killing spells like Chain Lightning, Armageddon, Implosion etc.
Those are perhaps the best spells in the game.
The units are good without spells, and the spells dont last forever, so with you saying that Blackies will win because they cannot be effected by spells is a bit wrong imho.
Sorry to say, but i was just stating my opinion and I hope you like it
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