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william
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posted November 17, 2006 04:42 AM
Edited by william at 05:04, 17 Nov 2006.

Here are some items, or runewords in this case which can give you better damage and some nana steal if that is what you want:


Breath of the Dying

Required Items: 6 Socket Weapons
Runes Needed: Vex + Hel + El + Eld + Zod + Eth
Stats:
50% Chance To Cast Level 20 Poison Nova When You Kill An Enemy
Indestructible
+60% Increased Attack Speed
+350-400% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+200% Damage To Undead
-25% Target Defense
+50 To Attack Rating
+50 To Attack Rating Against Undead
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
12-15% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
Prevent Monster Heal
+30 To All Attributes
+1 To Light Radius
Requirements -20%

For this, since you said something about Mana, this gives around 7% Mana Stolen Per Hit, it is like Life Steal except you are stealing Mana, this is really useful if you have quite alot of overall Mana Steal.
It's damage is also quite reasonable, and it's Enhanced Damage, my 6 Socket Phase Blade gives around 150 - 180 Damage, and that is really good, I could have gotten more damage but seeing as though I had the runes all ready and I already had the 6 socket Phase Blade, I just made it.
Ethereal Beserk Axes work pretty good aswell.


Enigma

Required Items: 3 Socket Body Armor
Runes Needed: Jah + Ith + Ber
Stats: +2 To All Skills
+45% Faster Run/Walk
+1 To Teleport
+750-775 Defense (varies)
+ (0.75 Per Character Level) +0-74 To Strength (Based On Character Level)
Increase Maximum Life 5%
Damage Reduced By 8%
+14 Life After Each Kill
15% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+ (1 Per Character Level) +1-99% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items (Based On Character Level)

15% damage taken goes to Mana, Enigma also gives good defense, and also Teleport, which is good for every single character, and it also gives +2 to all skills which is also a plus.


Dragon

Required Items: 3 Socket Body Armor/Shields
Runes Needed: Sur + Lo + Sol
Stats: 20% Chance to Cast Level 18 Venom When Struck
12% Chance To Cast Level 15 Hydra On Striking
Level 14 Holy Fire Aura When Equipped
+360 Defense
+230 Defense Vs. Missile
+3-5 To All Attributes (varies)
+0.375-37.125 To Strength (Based on Character Level)
Increase Maximum Mana 5% (Armor Only)
+50 To Mana (Shields Only)
+5% To Maximum Lightning Resist
Damage Reduced by 7

This gives some good defense and +50 to Mana which is for Shields only is pretty good, increases you're Mana.
It also gives you strength and the +3-5 to all attributes gives even more to Strength as it is an attribute, so when you have good strength, you're damage (min to max) will go up.
Also with good strength gives you the ability to wear better stuff, obviously


Dream

Required Items: 3 Socket Helms/Shields
Runes NeedeD: Io + Jah + Pul
Stats: 10% Chance To Cast Level 15 Confuse When Struck
Level 15 Holy Shock Aura When Equipped
+20-30% Faster Hit Recovery (varies)
+30% Enhanced Defense
+150-220 Defense (varies)
+10 To Vitality
Increase Maximum Life 5% (Helms Only)
+50 To Life (Shields Only)
+0.625-61.875 To Mana (Based On Character Level)
All Resistances +5-20 (varies)
12-25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items (varies)

Quite a good Helmet, this also gives you more Mana, and it gives you good Resistances and good Defense.
Good for Tesladins aswell, seeing as though it has Level 15 Holy Shock Aura when equipped, you figure it out


Now for Unique Items here is what you should perhaps get:


Annihilus
Small Charm


Required Level: 70
+1 To All Skills
+10-20 To All Attributes (varies)
All Resistances +10-20 (varies)
+5-10% To Experience Gained (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Gives to Attributes which includes Strength and Dextirity and Vitality, Energy is something to forget about
More Strength, better items you can wear and more min to max damage.
Also gives +1 to all skills which is also good, and All Resistances is also good.
Experience is awesome


Gheed's Fortune
Grand Charm


Required Level: 62
80-160% Extra Gold From Monsters (varies)
Reduces All Vendor Prices 10-15% (varies)
20-40% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items (varies)
(Ladder Only)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

All these things are good, increased Magic Find is good, More Gold is good, and Decreased Vendor Prices is awesome, you get cheaper stuff that way like stuff does not cost as much.


Steelrend
Ogre Gauntlets


Defense: 232-281 (Base Defense: 62-71)
Required Level: 70
Required Strength: 185
Durability: 24
+170-210 Defense (varies)
+30-60% Enhanced Damage (varies)
10% Chance of Crushing Blow
+15-20 To Strength (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Gives good Enhanced Damage and Enhanced Defense and the Base Defense or whatever is also very good.
Strength Increasement is awesome.

OR

Soul Drainer
Vambraces


Defense: 129-149 (Base Defense: 59-67)
Required Level: 74
Required Strength: 106
Durability: 16
+90-120% Enhanced Defense (varies)
4-7% Mana Stolen Per Hit (varies)
4-7% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
-50 To Monster Defense Per Hit
8% Chance To Cast Level 3 Weaken On Striking
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Because of the Mana Steal and it has good defense and Enhanced Defense, this makes for a good item.


Marrowwalk
Boneweave Boots


Defense: 183-204 (varies)(Base Defense: 59-67)
Required Level: 66
Required Strength: 118
Durability: 16
Assassin Kick Damage: 69-118
+170-200% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+20% Faster Run/Walk
+1-2 To Skeleton Mastery (Necromancer Only) (varies)
+10-20 To Strength (varies)
+17 To Dexterity
Regenerate Mana 10%
Heal Stamina Plus 10%
Half Freeze Duration
Level 33 Bone Prison (13 Charges)
Level 12 Life Tap (10 Charges)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Because it Regenerates Mana 10%
It also gives +17 to Dexterity and also +10-20 to Strength, more Damage (min to max) which you will deal out, Enhanced Defense and Faster run/walk is also very good.
Also good if you are an Assassin.


Verdungo's Hearty Cord
Mithril Coil


Defense: 125-158 (Defense: 58-65)
Required Level: 63
Required Strength: 106
Durability: 16
16 Boxes
+90-140% Enhanced Defense (varies)
10% Faster Hit Recovery
+30-40 To Vitality (varies)
Replenish Life +10-13 (varies)
+100-120 Maximum Stamina (varies)
Damage Reduced By 10-15% (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Gives good Defense, and Replenish Life is good aswell, and it gives good Vitality aswell.

OR

Nosferatu's Coil
Vampirefang Belt


Defense: 56-63 (varies)
Required Level: 51
Required Strength: 50
Durability: 14
16 Boxes
Slows Target By 10%
+2 To Mana After Each Kill
5-7% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
+15 To Strength
10% Increased Attack Speed
-3 To Light Radius
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Mana Steal, and Increasement of Strength is good, You steal mana and you're Damage increases.


Harlequin Crest
Shako


Defense: 98-141 (varies)
Required Level: 62
Required Strength: 50
Durability: 12
+2 To All Skills
+ (1.5 Per Character Level) 1-148 To Life (Based On Character Level)
+ (1.5 Per Character Level) 1-148 To Mana (Based On Character Level)
Damage Reduced By 10%
50% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
+2 To All Attributes
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)

Increasement of Attirbutes and also of the Magic Find and various other things.

OR


Giant Skull
Bone Visage


Defense: 350-477 (varies)(Base Defense: 100-157)
Required Level: 65
Required Strength: 106
Durability: 40
+250-320 Defense (varies)
10% Chance Of Crushing Blow
Knockback
+25-35 to Strength (varies)
Socketed (1-2) (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Awesome Defense, very very good, Good Strength Increasement, and it is Socketed aswell, awesome Helmet.

Because it gives good strength and for increased maximum and minimum damage, then Strength will increase it, note that it does not increase you're particular weapons damage.


Crescent Moon
Amulet


Required Level: 50
10% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+45 To Mana
3-6% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
11-15% Mana Stolen Per Hit (varies)
Magic Damage Reduced By 10
-2 To Light Radius
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)

Because of good Mana Steal and pretty good Life Steal, it is a good Amulet.
And it Increases Mana by +45 which is good.
10% damage taken goes to Mana another plus ofcourse
Only bad thing is the -2 to Light Radius but that is alright, other items can make up for that but that is not what we are focusing on right at the moment.


Manald Heal
Ring


Required Level: 15
4-7% Mana Stolen Per Hit (varies)
Replenish Life +5-8 (varies)
Regenerate Mana 20%
+20 To Life
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)

Mana Steak, Regeneration of Mana and Increasement of Life is quite good.


Stone of Jordan
Ring


Required Level: 29
+1 To All Skill Levels
Increase Maximum Mana 25%*
Adds 1-12 Lightning Damage
+20 To Mana
(Spawns In Any Patch)

Increasement of Mana (+20), Increasement of Maximum Mana by 25% and +1 to all skill levels is pretty darn good.

NOTE:  Stone of Jordan: The increase in Mana is added with other items that increase the maximum amount of Mana (another Stone of Jordan, Frostburn). For example two Stones of Jordan (25% + 25%) and Frostburn (40%) would be 90% more Mana added to the base Mana.

Information taken from: Arreat Summit


Raven Frost
Ring


Required Level: 45
+150-250 To Attack Rating (varies)
Adds 15-45 Cold Damage, 4 sec. Duration (Normal)
Cannot Be Frozen
+15-20 To Dexterity (varies)
+40 To Mana
Cold Absorb 20%
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)

That is one of the better rings that you are looking for, as it gives a good amount of Mana, Cannot be Frozen, Increasement of Dexterity, Increasement of Attack Rating, Cold Absorb and the Cold Damage, it makes it perfect for anyone, mainly a Cold Sorceress though but still, it is really good, and I hate getting Frozen, really annoying.


Carrion Wind
Ring


Required Level: 60
10% Chance To Cast Level 10 Poison Nova When Struck
8% Chance To Cast Level 13 Twister On Striking
6-9% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
+100-160 Defense Vs. Missile (varies)
Poison Resist +55%
10% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
Level 21 Poison Creeper (15 Charges)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

That is the ring that I wear with my Battle.net character, well I wear 2 of them, one has 7% life steal and the other has 8% life steal and better defense vs Missile.
But you will see that this is a good ring, and it has a 10% damage taken goes to mana, so that is good aswell.


Well I hope this helps you a little bit, maybe pick out the stuff you want and then try and find it, perhaps some HC Diablo 2 players may like to help you.


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posted November 17, 2006 07:20 PM
Edited by sphere at 00:30, 18 Nov 2006.

Hey,

- Good info,William ( as always )

- I have a few questions now that my assassin is close to lvl 75. ( I have been rushed to NM Baal and just have been on those minion runs from lvl 52 or so.. sheesh it goes fast with 8 players )

- Does mana and life leech work on spells ( in my case traps ) or is it melee only ?

- Which headpiece would benefit me the most ( as an Assassin ) ? I was thinking a cap where I get a lvl xx aura when equipped... remember I am a pure trapsin ( lightning and Death Sentry cloak of shadows and mind blast, fella )

EDIT lvl 79 now, but I have a feeling I could just go on and on and on and on.. and yes.. on, doing those Baal runs...
But that aside, I was wondering where I can / or have the best chance of finding those grey socked ( and runes to use in them )items at ? Or am I just being a bit too impatient...

- Guz
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posted November 17, 2006 11:58 PM

I think that Mana Steal/Life Steal only works with Melee, but I may be wrong.

I am glad to help
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posted November 18, 2006 01:59 AM

Quote:
- Which headpiece would benefit me the most ( as an Assassin ) ?


An inexpensive option is to use Harlequin's Crest shako - +2 skills, decent MF and damage reduction makes it a good all-rounder. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think Griffons diadem will directly increase your lightning damage so it should be a good choice for a trap sin. However its quite expensive and i think the current price (on us west) is around 10 high runes. You can also search for rare helms which gives a direct bonus of +3 to traps.


But that aside, I was wondering where I can / or have the best chance of finding those grey socked ( and runes to use in them )items at ?


Hell cow level has the most drops of non-magical elite gear, often socketed. Anyways, you may socket them in act 5 by doing the shrenk quest. (norm difficulty allows you to get the max no. of sockets for any non-magic item, up to 4 sockets. NM and hell has no limitation).

And btw, leeching is not limited to melee.

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posted November 18, 2006 02:18 AM
Edited by sphere at 06:24, 18 Nov 2006.

Hey,

- Thanks ToG.

- .."An inexpensive option is to use Harlequin's Crest shako - +2 skills, decent MF and damage reduction makes it a good all-rounder".. Sounds sound  But my overall problem lies in having no friends in the game, and I rarly get to ANY of the drops in any party ( low 'ish htp. and the way I play my two toons, bowazon and the trapsin )


- Hence I dont have anything to trade with, making it a bit harder.. yes ?

EDIT out of the blue I found a Griswold's Edge Sword ( golden ) is that the one needed in the set or is this a stand alone thing/ item ?
- I am about to try my first socket, but how can I tell how many slots I can have in a/an item ?

- Well I am going to make a toon ( probably a paladin ) on US West ( is it there most of you fellas play ?
-And on a side note.. if I start one on another realm, do I lose those I have on the Europe realm ?


- Guz
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posted November 18, 2006 07:16 AM

If you start on a new realm you do not lose the ones you have on another realm.

US WEST is where everyone plays yes
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posted November 19, 2006 08:49 AM

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US WEST is where everyone plays yes


No it is not. In Europe, the real players play. I really mean it. Havent you heard of Russian barbarians, German guys?  They are unbeatable.In PvP those guys win like everytime. They got 99 lvl char after Ladder reset in 36 hours it was some page that showed it. Those gguys know what to do.

But althought Europe is a good place, there are still some nice players that help you without a question.
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posted November 19, 2006 08:50 AM

Well what I meant is that is where everyone I know plays, on US WEST I  mean.

I am not gonna go to Eurpose for a couple of obvious reasons.


BTW, if anyone here has any strength charms, I badly need them.
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posted November 20, 2006 10:37 AM

Hey,

- Well I have gotten my assassin up to lvl 87 now. All but a few of my most imprtant skills are maxed, alas I have nothing that gives me +1-3 to skills. But I went on a cow run the other day ( lol that was fun ) but DARN you have to stay away from the melee ( in my case that is ). I could lash out some decent dmg. ( trap wise ) but the Cow King was immune to lightining.. so what do I do in that case ?
- I can only think of having a truck load of charms and then ( as Nid. said ) use dragon flight , but this was normal and he healed like a mad ( cow )man so I was of NADA help with him. And for future refrences, if some creature is immune to lightning (1) is that so or does it (2) just take less dmg. from the particular elemental attack ? - if (1) is the case I am sort of declined to ditch this toon and start another. OR can I obtain ( like the sorceress and their masteries ) some sort penetration charms so that my traps will lower the enemies resistances to certain attacks ?

- Will probably edit in this a bit later

- Guz
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posted November 20, 2006 11:11 AM

Don't worry I got my charms, I got heaps of them, I now have over 1000 life, and enough strength to wear my Fortitude armour, now I have over 2600 defense, and with holy shield on it goes up to 7000 defense and probably with my mercenary (act 2 defensive merc) I will probably have over 10000 Defense, maybe even 9000 which I hope not, I want more hehe.

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posted November 20, 2006 06:04 PM
Edited by sphere at 08:01, 25 Nov 2006.

Hey,

- Well I have started my Paladin now. So a more tailored set-up for a such would be much appreciated

- I have figured out how to lvl at warp speed ( as you probably all know ) from lvl 1 to xx lvl. So I have a truck load of stats and skills atm ( lvl 23 ) <-- Only spend one in Thorn and just enough(t) to wear my starting set ( Sigons ).

- So, feel free to through in any of your build(s) for a Paladin.

EDIT What is the most benificial Zeal or Vengeance ??

- Guz


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posted November 25, 2006 08:09 AM

Personally I much prefer Zeal but it is whatever you want that matters in the end.
Zeal is not good for all builds, but I use it alot of the time because it is quite powerful and gives you rather good damage.
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posted November 29, 2006 11:55 AM
Edited by sphere at 11:56, 29 Nov 2006.

Hey,

- Well I am on my way to lvl 67 with my Paladin. And I have been recommended to max out :
(1) Vigor
(2) Holy Shield
(3) Blessed Hammer
(4) Concentration
(5) And only a few in various others

- Does that sound right in ya'll experts ears ?

- I am dropping what I just need in str and dex ... rest goes in vitality sounds right too?

P.S. - I have found a Golden Javelin called Titans Revenge +2 to Javelin skills and +2 to amazons skill + loads of other cool stuff.. is that worth holding on to ( for trading purposess ) or is it one that drops pretty often ?

- Guz
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posted November 29, 2006 11:58 AM

Quote:
Hey,

- Well I am on my way to lvl 67 with my Paladin. And I have been recommended to max out :
(1) Vigor
(2) Holy Shield
(3) Blessed Hammer
(4) Concentration
(5) And only a few in various others

- Does that sound right in ya'll experts ears ?

- I am dropping what I just need in str and dex ... rest goes in vitality sounds right too?

P.S. - I have found a Golden Javelin called Titans Revenge +2 to Javelin skills and +2 to amazons skill + loads of other cools stuff.. is that worth holding on to ( for trading purposess ) or is it one that drops pretty often ?

- Guz


That sounds about right to me Sphere

I also have Titans Revenge, I would hold onto it if you are planning on making a Zon character, it doesnt really drop frequently for me, I would consider it something to hold on to, or you could trade it if you wanted to, and get something good from it.

I would put the skills into Str and Dex, and the rest into Vitality, yes you are doing that fine
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posted November 29, 2006 07:54 PM
Edited by EvilLoynis at 19:55, 29 Nov 2006.

Immunities

Quote:

And for future refrences, if some creature is immune to lightning (1) is that so or does it (2) just take less dmg. from the particular elemental attack ? - if (1) is the case I am sort of declined to ditch this toon and start another. OR can I obtain ( like the sorceress and their masteries ) some sort penetration charms so that my traps will lower the enemies resistances to certain attacks ?

- Guz




Just wanted to let you know if a Thing is Immune to something, be it Fire, Ice, Lightning, Magic, or Physical, they will be totally immune to it.  But you have to check if your things only do that kind of damage.  Like the Bowazons Magic Arrow does both physical and magic dam.


By the way you usually don't want to kill the CowKing fyi, you won't be able to open another portal to the cow level in the difficulty if you do.
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posted November 30, 2006 01:53 AM
Edited by sphere at 02:21, 01 Dec 2006.

Hey,

- Thanks, EvilLoynis. I was rushed through Anchients today and I happed to see that one of the fellas was immune to physical.. but my rusher was a Paladin and he just wacked at him till he died.... charms in that case ?

- And here I go again, whining and whinging , I need some gear badly ... tired of seeing ppl even 10-20 lvl's below me that has 2-5 auras and same amount of things on-hit and I can hit diddly.....

- I got a little hint today too though.. that fella rushing me through act 5 nm ( up to Baal's minions ) he didnt pick up anything.. but then again he didnt exactly wait for me either and in that time ALOT of green/golden and yellow items dropped  ... lots of grey socked too.. and I guess it's that way you find your weapons for socketing and such ?  After that time ( and I guess him observing me ) he took mercy on me and asked to see my stuff.. and I showed him ...lol was his only comment and then a ; Wait then he got me a flail "Honor" and courpsemourn ( 1200 def ) but lol I still suck when in a party over more than 2 ...


- Not a request for anything just letting out steam


EDIT - I was on a run ( only 3 total ) last night and I finally got me some high end runes , one Zod,one Ko,one Hell and one Vex and I got to lvl 80 as a Paladin. I can see that I have build him a bit wrong ( thrown a few too many skill pts. in some that I should't have, but all in all he's shaping out rather fine atm. With a party of 8 and a few Barb howls,I can actually go head to head with Lister now. I still haven't found anything I would like to spend my socked or imbue's on yet.. still "Honor" and CourpseMourn, but with maxed Holy shield I have over 7k def.. not to shabby for my first build

- Guz

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posted November 30, 2006 05:47 AM

Getting the gry or "blach": or whatever weapons, which have sockets is the only way to get socketed items, oh wait.
There is another, but you can only do it once in each difficulty mode.

You go to act 5 and talk to the Larzuk I think his name is, and he will offer to socket an item if you have finished the first quest.

Honour and Corpsemourn are pretty good, I used to have Courpsemourn but not I have Breathe of the Dying Sword and Fortitude Armour over 2000 defense.
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LummoxLewis
posted December 01, 2006 02:37 AM

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EDIT - I was on a run ( only 3 total ) last night and I finally got me some high end runes , one Zod,one Ko,one Hell and one Vex and I got to lvl 80 as a Paladin. I can see that I have build him a bit wrong ( thrown a few too many skill pts. in some that I should't have, but all in all he's shaping out rather fine atm. With a party of 8 and a few Barb howls,I can actually go head to head with Lister now. I still haven't found anything I would like to spend my socked or imbue's on yet.. still "Honor" and CourpseMourn, but with maxed Holy shield I have over 7k def.. not to shabby for my first build




Ko is a mid rune and so is hel, Vex and Zod are the only hrs that you have.

7 k defense is alright, with holy shield and merc aura I get over 15000 defensem, its pretty awesome.
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posted December 01, 2006 06:48 AM

Hey,

- Well I have just used some of my skill pts. ( I like to save some for a rainy day ) so I now have 18 in Holy Shield and with that defensive merc.'s aura from act 2 I have almost 15k aswell ( def ) . Pretty awesome as you put it

- Dmg. could be  better,but again, when I decide to take on Hell I will probably find some better gear.

- A question though to ya'll ... I found a Pavise called Gerke's Sanctuary :

- Def 370 / durability 172 / % to block 75 / replenishes life 15 / dmg reduced by 16 / magic dmg. reduced 14 and 24 to all resistances.

- That is my main shield and I was in a party when I mentioned that I had a such.. all wanted to trade with me.. is it that good ? - not kidding I got offered 2 of the highest in the Tal Rasas set for it ...

- Guz
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posted December 01, 2006 11:59 AM

75% chance to block, all resistances +24....these 2 things alone make the shield worth its price..
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