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yasmiel
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posted February 08, 2007 02:21 PM |
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I dont see a reason why thanes wouldnt be dwarves. Other than that I agree with them being a race, tho i dont agree with SP being one of their primary skills 
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GenieLord
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posted February 09, 2007 02:01 PM |
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You said "Dwarfs are small men and women, thats it", what the hell are you talking about.
Thats like saying Humans are medium sized men and women. Nowhere do I see all medium sized people. There are small people, normal sized, and tall, and everything in between. A human riding a bear or a goat or an eagle, is still a human. A dwarf riding a bear, is a dwarf, a dwarf 50ft tall is a dwarf. A dwarf thats 2ft tall, is a dwarf. YOu get the picture? Also as of the magic issue, who cares? There is many different ways magic is viewed. In many stories and games, magic is a trait in the blood of elves, and such. In some others, magic is something that exists within everything. And you cant relate magic to anything in RL, because sorry to break it to you, but magic doesnt exist in RL, and if it does, come over to me, and show me. Something doesnt have to look the same to still be the same race, species, etc. Now lets drop this, and move on.
I'm talking about the Dwarves according to the stories, mythologies and legends.
And 50 ft tall Dwarf is not really a Dwarf, as far as I know.
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As for dwarves, why can't they be a race? I don't like them but they are as much a race as elfs. Thanes aren't dwarves, but I think the faction is based mostly on Norse mythology, which also featured dwarves and giants. In such case though, I would probably have preferred to see a shooting fire giant lvl7, although the magma dragon is cool too.
The suppose to be Dwarves, not Dwarves and Giants. That's one of the problems...
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I dont see a reason why thanes wouldnt be dwarves. Other than that I agree with them being a race, tho i dont agree with SP being one of their primary skills
Yes, the Dwarves are not mages, not even rune mages (what a silly concept). People just don't get they are not magical creatures! The magical Dwarves are Elves.
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posted February 09, 2007 02:53 PM |
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I'm talking about the Dwarves according to the stories, mythologies and legends.
In fact you are not. What you are talking about is "dwarves" from real world = small people. This is Dwarves from Fantasy lore, which is something entirely different. Here, a Dwarf is a Dwarf, no matter the size, just like an Elf is an Elf, no matter the size.
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posted February 09, 2007 02:57 PM |
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I'm talking about the Dwarves according to the stories, mythologies and legends.
In fact you are not. What you are talking about is "dwarves" from real world = small people. This is Dwarves from Fantasy lore, which is something entirely different. Here, a Dwarf is a Dwarf, no matter the size, just like an Elf is an Elf, no matter the size.
You are wrong here.
My description fits to LOTR story, and some different sources.
Any way, Dwarf is always a Dwarf, and he is a small man. That's it.
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Geny
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posted February 09, 2007 02:58 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 15:01, 09 Feb 2007.
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Yes, the Dwarves are not mages, not even rune mages (what a silly concept). People just don't get they are not magical creatures! The magical Dwarves are Elves.
No offense, but who are you to decide that?
In modern fantasy dwarves use rune magic very often, probably because they are based on nordic myths and that is where runes were originally used.
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My description fits to LOTR story, and some different sources.
LOTR story describes the average dwarf, NOT all the dwarves.
And even in LOTR there were dwarves and even halflings the size of a human.
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posted February 09, 2007 03:09 PM |
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The suppose to be Dwarves, not Dwarves and Giants. That's one of the problems...
Then you can also argue Dungeon should be purely dark elfs and not elfs + minotaurs + dragons, and Academy should be mages and not constructs and rakshasas, and Sylvan should be elfs and not unicorns, etc. Just what exactly is your point?
And it's VERY wrong to say Dwarves aren't dwarves whenever they don't fit the LOTR dwarves. LOTR is just ONE of many dwarf concepts. You forgot about the little guys with the red pointy hats? Those are dwarves too.
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GenieLord
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posted February 09, 2007 03:13 PM |
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GenieLord agaisnt the world. 
Any way, I didn't decide Dwarves don't use magics. Just that's what they suppose to be, and Dwarves that use magics call Elves.
It's very simple. 
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posted February 09, 2007 03:15 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 15:32, 09 Feb 2007.
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Ahhhh..... finally it is time to write this:
The oldest race in all books are the elves, they live in the woods, they use bows, and they are always good, intelligent and ever young.
But some os the elves go to north and after many years of evolution they become humans, the humans are good and evil, they live in stone castles and ride horses, they eat meat too, and use many weapons and armours (the elves do not use armours). And yes they get old one day.
Other race, which come from the elves are the orcs, they are elves but "enveloped" with dark and evil, they hate all humans and nature, they live in simple houses and waste lands. The orcs are stronger then the humans or the elves, and are good warriors.
Very old race are the undeads they are old like the elves, the first necromancer was elv... just some of the dead elves become undeads. The undeads are neutral or evil they arein no unions, they have no friends they fight only for their lands
Finally the dwarfs are mysterious race, the dwarfs love gold and gems. They are handicrafsmans and blacksmiths, they live in mines or in the underground. Almos all dwarfs are good but they are always neutrals. The dwarfs come from avid humans. And they are in conflict with the elves (not in war, just they don't like the elves).
The dwarfs do not use magic, the use mechanisms and forge skills for many "magical" doors or weapons (the other races call the weapons magical, but they are not, just are very good hammered )
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posted February 09, 2007 03:22 PM |
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Since you're mentioning orcs, I don't suppose that's HOMM5's description of the species. Anyway, you can't list such things as facts, since however certain species came to existance, what their traits are etc, is totally up to the creator of the fantasy world they are featured in.
If I for example would create a game in which Dwarves were holy creatures that casted firebombs and lived high up in the trees, you wouldn't have any right to complain no matter how far off I am of the species traits that are most often portrayed on a species.
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posted February 09, 2007 03:41 PM |
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I wouldnt agree with that. I think that dwarves deserve a chance.They are a great race and they deserve to be on the same level as other races.
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posted February 13, 2007 08:44 PM |
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If I remember correctly you said somewhere that you've read "The Hobbit". If so, how dare you say that the dwarfs are less of race than elves or orcs??
About the Thane, I maybe wrong, but I don't remember seeing the word "dwarf" in his description.
And about the forest dwelling creatures - that would be the gnomes (even if in Hebrew gnomes and dwarves have the same name).
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I agree with the first few sentances, but gnomes don't actualy have a lot to do with dwarves!!!!  Actualy gnomes in mitology were earth elementals and dwarves are completly defferend!
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posted February 13, 2007 09:00 PM |
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If I remember correctly you said somewhere that you've read "The Hobbit". If so, how dare you say that the dwarfs are less of race than elves or orcs??
I read the Hobbit. There's nothing there that conflicting with what I think. Actually, that's part of my view is based on.
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About the Thane, I maybe wrong, but I don't remember seeing the word "dwarf" in his description.
There are two options,either the Thane is a Dwarf, or it isn't:
1. Let's say he isn't a Dwarf. According to his size, he is probably a gaint or a similiar thing. So what he has to do with the Dwarves? As I said, Nival didn't mention that this faction supose to be "Dwarves and Giant", as far as I know.
2. Let's say it's a Dwarf. How can a Dwarf be huge? It's silly.
So anyway, something is wrong here.
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And about the forest dwelling creatures - that would be the gnomes (even if in Hebrew gnomes and dwarves have the same name).
You are totally wrong.
What I described were Dwarves. Only one part, the forest living, fits well to gnomes, too. All the other fit only to Dwarves.
Thank you for your comments.  And I'm totally serious.
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Geny
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posted February 13, 2007 09:40 PM |
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Oh, so when Serpent2 quotes my post you answer it all, but when it has my name near it you only read the first 2 lines....
And about the Thanes not being mentioned by Nival - do you have a problem with the Sylvan town being a town of Elves and not Elves + Treants or Elves + Sprites?
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posted February 14, 2007 02:28 PM |
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Oh, so when Serpent2 quotes my post you answer it all, but when it has my name near it you only read the first 2 lines....
I knew I already answered this question.
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And about the Thanes not being mentioned by Nival - do you have a problem with the Sylvan town being a town of Elves and not Elves + Treants or Elves + Sprites?
As you know, every town has Humanoid creatures and beast creatures.
Treants and Sprite has a lot of to with the Sylvan town, and the Elven race.
They are the beast creatures that come with the Elves.
Thanes are completely Humanoid-What means they should be Dwarves, in the Dwarven race.
They are leaders (Warlords). They can't be beast creatures, becuase but beast aren't the leaders, and as I already said, they can't be Dwarves, also.
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posted February 14, 2007 02:43 PM |
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Let me state my opinion.
In this game Dwarves suck horribly in "culture" I mean.. what has fire magic got to do with them? AFAIK the only magic I like for dwarves is runic magic.. it annoys me when all factions use the same common magic. I would like them all unique:
Humans: telekinetic or elemental magic
Elves: nature magic
Dwarves: runic magic
Dark elves: shadow magic (dark magic)
whatever the list continues... and I am not referring to heroes, but to creatures.
Whether you think dwarves should be small that's your opinion, but yeah the dwarves in this game look a bit "cartoonish" for me (I mean the Shieldguard and the Skirmisher).. they don't show as if they were great and proud warriors, with lots of scratches or muscles, etc.. that's how dwarves suppose to be, base most on physical strength.
If you ask me, the best dwarves are in Spellforce + some runic magic. that's it, no combos
EDIT: Yeah I guess they really had to use the Fire dragon somewhere, didn't they (Nival I mean).. this is getting boring all the time with a Dragon at 7th level. I mean seriously, why isn't the Thane much more powerful and put there? And at 6th level some serious dwarf or dunno something like that.. but NOT ANOTHER DRAGON-based town (I mean "elemental based town")
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posted February 14, 2007 03:13 PM |
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TheDeath - I think you're confusing magic with elements. Dwarves are associated with the fire element NOT the fire magic. The problem is that in practice the difference is very small.
And like it or not, but Elemental Dragons are the gods of Ashan, therefore it makes sense that they would be in many factions. Besides, the only similiar thing between Fire Dragon and the other dragon units is the name.
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posted February 14, 2007 03:18 PM |
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Well, is it really necessary to worship yet another elemental dragon (god)?
But one thing for me is reasurring: there are no other elemental dragons for new factions.
in fact, I was wrong: there is Shalassa  let's hope the Nagas will not have yet another dragon and dragon-theme town.
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posted February 14, 2007 10:43 PM |
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Hmm sorry to say it: But there might be another dragon ... In Dark messiah, there is a Dragon like creature called: Pao Kai and its a sort of dragon. But if it would be joined with Naga's is not a good chance, more likely to join up with orcs...
And by saying this we might loose: Roc/Thunderbird, since there it wouldn't seem like too have 2 high lvl flyers ... But lets see
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posted September 22, 2007 08:12 PM |
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i like drawf faction  but maybe you are right.
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