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Mocara
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posted May 03, 2001 06:54 PM |
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To Shae
Shae your post about the trees and the grass really touched me.
To be honest I had always thought you were always either joking or being brash in your other post.
I knew someone so full of passion must have a nice soft side too.
I really appreciate you sharing that story.
-Mocara
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thecastrated
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posted May 04, 2001 02:58 AM |
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Proven
Hmm, dargon, if its as you quote, that if things are fated, then you will agree that chances are that theres no god. Well, then psychology science has proven it already. Statistically, children from broken homes will come out morally bad, while pple who hav not been taught morals at all will totally hav no consience.
In any case, God will hav known what Adam will do, just as Jesus did Peter(As I hav said, God even Purposely put the tree so that Adam will do it.). God/Jesus knew that they will do it, yet let them do and after that get angry and punish them. This was the main point. Even if pple hav free will this cant be denied.
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thecastrated
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posted May 04, 2001 03:01 AM |
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HI
My genius theory of miracles.
Actually this should hav continued under the thread of honour, but it seems strange to do so, since the topics had wandered far off.
Surprised when miracle happens(b it in real life or h3,when say, u were winning full scale and then a bug comes and the game has to b stopped[I wasnt winning then but it did happen to a game btwn me n mocara]}. Let me propose my theory of it.
Mocara and zedrin mentioned some coincidences, and theres a book which they too quoted, which tells you to look out for signs of such and relates how its linked to god. Fine. You all want to know what 99.99% of u here hav overlooked?
Look in front now. Your monitor is as it is, no green aliens rawling out of it. Your keyboard's fine, no sudden popping out of your keys; your speaker isnt suddenly booming out voices. Thats right! whenever you take a look, actually you can see 100++ normal things, depending on how you subdivide. And they are working as they should all the way. The only reason you do not take them into conscious account is because you hav taken them for granted.
Let me present another perspective. For the past 600 second hav anything unexplainable happened? But if just an miricalic incident were to happen for 1 second, you will probably remember it forever.
So the moc finding a friend thing well, how many others have you not found? By the way, the chances of such incidences prolly coincides with reality; that is, assuming such 'miracles' occur every 3 years. well, lets count. you hav lived for 60x60x24x365x3second where nothing this unusual happened at all! The only thing that made it seem like a miracle is that because normal days are taken for granted and forgotten.
Ps. the bug may have happened(first and only time it did) but it sure didnt for the other 200(my no. of games)x 5(average time of 1 game in hrs) x 60 x 60 instances. Hmm meaning 1 out of 360'000 chance... this is what should hav occurred.
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pluvious
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posted May 04, 2001 08:29 AM |
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Mocara and zedrin mentioned some coincidences, and theres a book which they too quoted, which tells you to look out for signs of such and relates how its linked to god. Fine. You all want to know what 99.99% of u here hav overlooked?
Look in front now. Your monitor is as it is, no green aliens rawling out of it. Your keyboard's fine, no sudden popping out of your keys; your speaker isnt suddenly booming out voices. Thats right! whenever you take a look, actually you can see 100++ normal things, depending on how you subdivide. And they are working as they should all the way. The only reason you do not take them into conscious account is because you hav taken them for granted.
Let me present another perspective. For the past 600 second hav anything unexplainable happened? But if just an miricalic incident were to happen for 1 second, you will probably remember it forever.
So the moc finding a friend thing well, how many others have you not found? By the way, the chances of such incidences prolly coincides with reality; that is, assuming such 'miracles' occur every 3 years. well, lets count. you hav lived for 60x60x24x365x3second where nothing this unusual happened at all! The only thing that made it seem like a miracle is that because normal days are taken for granted and forgotten.
Well, I guess I'm the .01% since I said the same thing a couple posts ago. Good explanation though.
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Mocara
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posted May 04, 2001 10:23 AM |
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No, Cas-sie
I said these sort of things happen all the time.
It sounds like you are trying really hard to sound intelligent and sounds like you have read a few books but I don't really hear anything concise.
Your personal views are just as welcome as everyone elses but you seem to be repeating the same things in an attempt to drill home a point that has pretty weak legs.
Is English your first language?
If not I apoligize.
I don't want to offend you but not only are these post growing more and more off topic but they are also showing your youth.
It is OK to work out ideas here if that's what you want but reallize at least a lil bit that one day you will probably laugh at what you think you have figured out in your youth.
-Mocara
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pluvious
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posted May 04, 2001 11:38 AM |
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well castrated,
although you talk too much and don't say enough I think you may have made a point or two in there somewhere.
Too much preaching and rhetoric going on here though for my liking. Its always amusing to see how other people think, handle conflict, and project themselves though...usually comes out when talking about moral or philospophical issues. Its not light talk and not easy with people you don't know.
Is that off topic? What is the topic again?
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Zedrin
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posted May 04, 2001 11:42 AM |
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Very nice Mocara
In my earlier post, the one deth called nostalgic, I recounted a "theory, belief, feeling" that i had some years ago, when i was much more active, when i had the will to act and change as much as i could...
But time changes all and every... always. To sustain that one's opinions would never change is to give an undeniable proof of ignorance... Time will always affect you, with the different experiences enriching your background and providing different grounds on which to base your convictions.
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Shae_Trielle
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posted May 04, 2001 02:18 PM |
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Mocara
I'm glad you liked my story. I'm also glad that you do see another side to me. I do have a lot of passion and sometimes people think 'god, crazy girl, stay away from her!', so it kinda bugs me when I try to say something simple and people turn around and say 'I don't geddit.' LOL, I never met a person in my whole life who never had a soft side and I never met a person in my whole life who never had passion. Call me a passionate softy, *smile*
I think this post has gone way beyond honour and is now well into the realms of the philisophical. Can anyone start a new thread called 'The meaning of life?'
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dArGOn
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posted May 05, 2001 06:21 AM |
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Brand new thread “The meaning of life”
Thanks Shae I try to be careful with my wording but I will continue to work at communicating clearly
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dArGOn
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posted May 05, 2001 06:32 AM |
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Zedrin
Enslaved to love/passion…interesting concept. Maybe we are…maybe that is what there is in life…we are going to be enslaved to many things….the choice I guess we have is not whether we are going to be enslaved but to what are we going to be enslaved.
One thing that I have found true though is that being enslaved to hate is a horrible prison. Often times it steals our joy and forces us to ruminate upon misfortune while the object of our hate lives life carefree. Many times hate really seems to only hurt the hater not the hated.
Zedrin…”when i was much more active, when i had the will to act and change as much as i could...
But time changes all and every... always.” I find this true but a little sad…I wish I had the same thirst for knowledge and passion for ideals that I once possessed 
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dArGOn
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posted May 05, 2001 06:45 AM |
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The Castrated...Well the fact that psychology has shown a CORROLATION between “broken homes” and later problems for children does not really prove fate at all. If it was fate ALL children coming from hard circumstances would turn out “bad”. Since this is definitely not the case, I think you may need to reconsider your statement.
Also there is a big difference between predetermining an outcome and foreknowledge or foresight (an example would be fortune tellers. Even though I don’t believe in their abilit...they can reportedly “tell the future” but they don’t control the future). So if God knew that Adam/Eve would eat the forbidden fruit…it doesn’t follow that he forced them to
Your example about life usually not producing “miracles” seems like a circular argument and doesn’t seem to make a point. In fact if you consider a miracle to be something that is supernatural or occurs outside of the natural order then of course it doesn’t happen all the time...but that doesn’t mean that miracles don’t happen.
Pluvious stated “Too much preaching and rhetoric going on here though for my liking” I don’t know…I guess it is a very subjective word…but I don’t see much preaching going on here…in fact I perceive this as an old fashion lively debate. Not only has there been an awesome exchange of idea...I think there has been a lot of respect going on also. But in the end I guess one person’s “preaching” can be another persons “debate”
I did find it great when you said “Its always amusing to see how other people think, handle conflict, and project themselves though...usually comes out when talking about moral or philosophical issues. Its not light talk and not easy with people you don't know”…very well stated. I find it very intriguing how people respond to each other and how they organize their various thoughts/theories BP
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deth8
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posted May 05, 2001 08:06 AM |
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Poven what Castrated?
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Hmm, dargon, if its as you quote, that if things are fated, then you will agree that chances are that theres no god. Well, then psychology science has proven it already. Statistically, children from broken homes will come out morally bad, while pple who hav not been taught morals at all will totally hav no consience.
In any case, God will hav known what Adam will do, just as Jesus did Peter(As I hav said, God even Purposely put the tree so that Adam will do it.). God/Jesus knew that they will do it, yet let them do and after that get angry and punish them. This was the main point. Even if pple hav free will this cant be denied.
Castrated, I take it you are saying that because one knows something then they are responsible for it because they allow it to happen? I think you would disagree, but that seems to be what you are attributing to God here.
Also, if there were a bigger plan then what we have imagined thus far, like maybe something more in the future to come. Then that opens a whole new door to think upon I would think.
Consider a very human example of a painter. In the past many painters painted with dark colors throughout almost the entire painting.....yet this darkness was used to contrast the much smaller brighter and spots. Might this be being done in the case of a world of people with God
Another thing you made me think of...My father told me not to lie. I did it anyhow as he knew I would. The he kicked my rear end for it. Guess you never experienced something like this? It happens all the time. Just reward, discipline, etc. If there is a God and something like this happened then we are to conclude suddenly that He is unjust? Or better yet since presupposing this actually happened then we conclude that there must not be a God?
I am unclear as to what you are proving, but is seems quite fallible thus far as titled.
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arachnid
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posted May 05, 2001 12:30 PM |
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Hmm the meaning of life eh? well for me this song comes closes to finding it for me 
Galaxy Song
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
For all your serious hardcore thinkers about god,morals and all the rest heres what i suggest:
http://www.the-elysium.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=5&topic=109
In here you will find even bigger hardcore thinkers that yourselves So if you feel brave and up for a challenge i suggest you step into this arena (you have been warned!)
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Mocara
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posted May 06, 2001 01:47 AM |
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And now for something completely different
You always struck me as a Monty fan Arachnid.
As does Jiels.
I always thought that lil song summed it up for me too.
By the way for those who have not seen "The Meaning of Life" from Monty Python, you should.
-Mocara
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thecastrated
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posted May 06, 2001 08:05 AM |
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My argument would fall if god didn’t know what would happen if he had placed the tree in the garden, but he did. To make it clearer:
If there were a heated fight btwn 2 guys, and if u knew that flashing out a gun now will cause 1 guy to shoot the other and yet you does the same, are you more or less culpable? U can argue the other guy can choose not to, but if it were a case whereby you knew its 100% that it will happen, and yet you did.. well…
Anyways for Mensa singapore, the christians were reduced to saying things like ‘god is unprovable in the oasis of the heart etc., or say that they just believe.
Dargon, thank you.. I was finding out places where I had gone wrong…. so similar to our discussion about psychology too Now refute this 
For the rest, the chance and broken families thing it cant b proven but at least it does pull big the possibility for it being something normal which would otherwise seem to have been possible only through divine intervention.
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Shae_Trielle
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posted May 06, 2001 02:06 PM |
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Imp Gr? OR Grimp?
Hey, as they say, Grimpy, small posts for small-minded readers. Maybe you should read Garfield in today's paper if you can't wrap your head around a few paragraphs.
*smile*
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Mocara
Famous Hero
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posted May 06, 2001 05:36 PM |
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Yummy,
Lasagna SOUNDS GOOD!!!
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Zedrin
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posted May 09, 2001 07:38 AM |
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hehe
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Enslaved to love/passion…interesting concept. Maybe we are…maybe that is what there is in life…we are going to be enslaved to many things….the choice I guess we have is not whether we are going to be enslaved but to what are we going to be enslaved.
One thing that I have found true though is that being enslaved to hate is a horrible prison. Often times it steals our joy and forces us to ruminate upon misfortune while the object of our hate lives life carefree. Many times hate really seems to only hurt the hater not the hated.
Hate has been very productive for me. I've had some of my greatest victories due to hate... and trust me, it was fun.
Hate amplified my ambition, made me aware of every detail, made me make sure that all elements are in place for the final blow... I almost felt sad when it was all over, when I had achieved my goals..
But it was fun though.
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At least we die with harness on our back" - Shakespeare, Macbeth
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dArGOn
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posted May 10, 2001 05:40 AM |
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Shae funny reply to Impster
Zedrin...I can kind of understand how hate gave you a very highly attuned motivation...but what exactly do you mean by hate? Hate of an idea or experience I think might prove useful and energizing, but hate of a person seems like it would be an empty and unfulfilling experience. So I guess for me I would be interested in which type of hate you are talking about?
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Zedrin
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posted May 10, 2001 07:32 AM |
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Hating an idea seems fruitless to me. I might dislike it, i might disagree with it and thus try to combat, but why hate it?
My reaction to any unpleasant experiences has modified throughout the years. Right now my reaction is..."snow happens...Next!"
What i mean is hate towards a person... My fondest experience was somewhere in my 10th year of school, when i started hating an individual without any reason. Simple, pure hate I loved it.
It became a challenge to find new ways to torture the poor soul... finnaly my greatest challenge was getting all the others in the class to hate him... And i succeeded.
He is still hated to this very day, with no reason.
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