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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted May 22, 2007 09:56 PM |
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I doubt so.. unless our moderators agree for a +qp for the winner  Ofc, only one. ;p
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted May 22, 2007 09:58 PM |
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Geeezzz
Now the game would become even more imbalanced! The new creatures' stats are much better than the weaker version's. And those anilites names sounds as if they were very, very strong...
O_O
I think Nival forgot, that he is making ALTERATIVE upgrades and made just better upgrades...
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 22, 2007 10:22 PM |
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Did you remember to check the prices?
Anyway, you can't really judge a unit until you see his abilities at work.
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Olo
Hired Hero
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posted May 22, 2007 11:02 PM |
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Geeezzz
Now the game would become even more imbalanced! The new creatures' stats are much better than the weaker version's. And those anilites names sounds as if they were very, very strong...
O_O
I think Nival forgot, that he is making ALTERATIVE upgrades and made just better upgrades...
I`ve just compared units and got the same feelings.
By the way dont you think that red dragon looks like big chicken in plate ?
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted May 22, 2007 11:29 PM |
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Y! Had just the same feeling as you Olo, when I saw him!
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Stella
Adventuring Hero
Little girl with a BIG sword:)
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posted May 22, 2007 11:32 PM |
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Quote:
Geeezzz
Now the game would become even more imbalanced! The new creatures' stats are much better than the weaker version's. And those anilites names sounds as if they were very, very strong...
O_O
I think Nival forgot, that he is making ALTERATIVE upgrades and made just better upgrades...
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http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=22026&pagenumber=28
I won't repeat myself but it seems more like a 3rd upgrade rather than an alternative upgrade path. Tho I have no objections against that. On the contrary. I'd welcome this wonderful new idea.....
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atma6
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 23, 2007 03:16 AM |
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Its not particularly imbalanced. Raiders loose the Def lowering ability, New Assassins, and Witches are not ranged. There may be very little use for the Minotaur's special (how often is negative moral a problem?) compared to the old, and the new Furies give up stats for curse resistance.
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted May 23, 2007 07:33 AM |
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I think these are well balanced ... Just look at the stats... They are higher, but some are lower and some abilities was removed ...
Hydras lost Regeneration, meaning not much for tanking. But gained a new one ... Blood Witches lost initative but gained a new immunity to Curses... Minitaur lost 2 strikes and just gained Def and aura... And red dragon gained +1 initative, and was lowered in almost everything else... AND THERE ARE NO SHOOTERS ... This is balanced ...
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted May 23, 2007 08:01 AM |
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Its not particularly imbalanced. Raiders loose the Def lowering ability, New Assassins, and Witches are not ranged. There may be very little use for the Minotaur's special (how often is negative moral a problem?) compared to the old, and the new Furies give up stats for curse resistance.
lol, you don't know what new abilities will do
and no shooters? thats not a problem, you can always choose matriarch insted of mistress
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atma6
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 23, 2007 03:40 PM |
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True, I don't know all of the abilities, but it is hard to argue that these units are unbalanced when your argument against the lack of shooters is to choose one of the older units. Still assuming none of these abilities are game breakers (maybe invis) its safe to say that these units aren't completely superior to the former upgrades.
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Tenaka
Famous Hero
Makes sense
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posted May 23, 2007 05:03 PM |
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Quote:
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I won't repeat myself but it seems more like a 3rd upgrade rather than an alternative upgrade path. Tho I have no objections against that. On the contrary. I'd welcome this wonderful new idea.....
I don't know...An alternative upgrade would put more different strategies in the game...I'd love to see that. But how would that look like in the town building menu?
And don't worry, if they were meant as alternative upgrades, but they turn out to be stronger, they'll be nerfed very soon, I think... 
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Card_Ximinez
Famous Hero
no
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posted May 23, 2007 07:00 PM |
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Inferno:
Succubus --> Infernal Heroine: An offensive version of the succubus (loses ranged attack)
Looks: Like Biara, but carries a large dagger.
Pit Fiend --> Pit Mage: A caster (Spellbook: Meteor shower, Armageddon)
Looks: A Pit Fiend with a big mage staff instead of a sword.
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ZeroXcuses
Known Hero
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posted May 24, 2007 02:57 AM |
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Necropolis
1.Skeleton-->Skeleton Warrior, I feel it's a certain point here
2.Zombie-->Walking Death, kind of reverted upgrade of heroes3. Perhaps a bit more offensive, yet less durable.
3.Ghost-->Phantom? Bah, all those"wight", "wraight" and other ghostly names are already in use. Well, it can either be a fully offensive unit, or a true tank, who knows.
4.Vampire-->Nosferatu. Perhaps less durable, but with more powerful life drain.
5.Lich-->Demilich. Two possibilities here, no spells+even more powerful shooter or weakened physical stats+better spells.
6.Wight-->Reaper. Weakened physical stats, some nice specials included. Like, say, death stare?
7.Bone Dragon-->Dracolich or whatever it's called. Aging special, even weaker in terms of A/D.
Actually, I was thinking MUTANT ZOMBIE from Heroes 2 if you're going offensive. Those things were by far the fastest zombie in all of Heroes.
Ghosts also can revert back to their Heroes 2 form to "balance" this crazy "dark energy" foolishness.
Demilich would be practically a pure caster. Give him no attack of his own and unlimited mana (it IS a Demilich...actually, Liches in general should never run out of mana).
Wight should be just DEATH. And it's touch of death should be part of its attack like the Pit Lords AND have the effect of the Gorgon's death stare.
I want the return of the GHOST DRAGON and give him incorporeal like the Heroes 5 beta. Aging would be nice, but more like 25% chance.
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PhoenixReborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted May 24, 2007 04:48 AM |
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Actually, I was thinking MUTANT ZOMBIE from Heroes 2 if you're going offensive. Those things were by far the fastest zombie in all of Heroes.
Ghosts also can revert back to their Heroes 2 form to "balance" this crazy "dark energy" foolishness.
On the zombie I agree...even just giving the damn thing a higher initiative would make it take some part in a battle.
On the ghost, no, just no. I don't want 1000 ghosts after fighting one neutral peasant stack.
Dark energy is fine. You'll have to give a better argument than it's foolish.
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted May 24, 2007 08:35 AM |
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@ZeroXcuses: I like your Necro army  I had many of those creatures in my list aswell 
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted May 24, 2007 09:45 AM |
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Homer171: it's my list, zeroxcusses just commented it
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Stella
Adventuring Hero
Little girl with a BIG sword:)
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posted May 24, 2007 10:16 AM |
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-- I think so as well. Doomforge's army skill setup for necro town looks fine.
-- There's maybe 1 creature that became too strong in ZeroXcuse's wishlist and that's the Wight. Just imagine it: IF the NEW Wight has a PERMANENT Harm Touch AND Migthy Gorgon's stare also PERMANENTLY then who will buy the old upgraded unit? They said that the upgrades will be more or less EQUALLY strong.
-- But the rest of the town is OK I think.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 24, 2007 10:25 AM |
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If you took into consideration the 3rd upgrd thread on altar of wishes you would see that I guessed two sylvan alternates(dryad+sharpshooter) and one for dungeon(red dragon); also I guessed that the alternative dungeuon line-up will be demon corrupted
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted May 24, 2007 11:00 AM |
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Homer171: it's my list, zeroxcusses just commented it
Another copycat
Perhaps they use new names for the creatures more than the old ones tough.
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Stella
Adventuring Hero
Little girl with a BIG sword:)
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posted May 24, 2007 12:54 PM |
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Edited by Stella at 13:12, 24 May 2007.
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If you took into consideration the 3rd upgrd thread on altar of wishes you would see that I guessed two sylvan alternates(dryad+sharpshooter) and one for dungeon(red dragon); also I guessed that the alternative dungeuon line-up will be demon corrupted
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-- And what do you guess about the Inferno Upgrades? Will they be even MORE evil? Or on the contrary as for example the "good-and-holy" Haven got the EVIL and Demon lover Renegade lineup (most likely they will. I'd be surprised should Nival take the trouble to design a brand new Haven upgrade line) then the currently EVIL Inferno would get a "warm hearted-and-sweet" new lineup?
Melee attack: "Floweeeer Puuuunch!"
Ranged Attack: "Shoooower of Kisseeees!"
New Buff for the whole Inferno army exclusively: "Power of LOVE."
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-- OK the lizard of the Black Rider also has red eyes but the Grim Raider's reptile had red eyes as well and it's just an animal anyways... (Perhaps it was watching the "Lizard's Late Night Show" only for 18+++ and did not get enough sleep... )
-- The rest of the units don't really have any demonic traits... at least IMO.
-- One might say they are demonic cause some of them are orange coloured but I think that's just a coincidence.
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-- Time to study a bit...
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