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Doomforge
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posted April 16, 2007 08:10 PM |
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- rune patrairch! 12-18 dmg with cross attack!
Archliches have 16-20, similiar survivability, cheaper dwelling, better spells and 3x3 attack, and they are still not imbalanced. Why such an inferior unit as rune patriarch would be imbalanced?
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TheDeath
Responsible
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with serious business
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posted April 16, 2007 08:16 PM |
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1) Patriarchs have more growth (with boost!)
2) Archliches are Overpowered...
just try to put them in Haven line-up and see 
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Doomforge
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posted April 16, 2007 08:17 PM |
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Yeah, I'd like to see them in haven
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted April 16, 2007 08:57 PM |
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I was wondering...off the topic but...
magma dragon with rune of speed and then rune of battle frenzy...
is it the most powerfull unit in the game?( )
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Doomforge
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posted April 16, 2007 09:01 PM |
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well in theory yes (add rune of berserking and maybe rune of etheralness)
But it works mainly on paper
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted April 16, 2007 09:12 PM |
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I know... on a paper fight it looks pretty strong( also against the computer)
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ChaosDragon
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posted April 16, 2007 09:46 PM |
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But not againts player using fast faction like inferno, sylvan, also haven and academy, academy is slow faction, yes, it's true, but with mini arties, their inititative and speed can easily match inferno and sylvan, and even dwarf mighty rune is hard to match academy mini arties + MMR, either MMR rush or MMR late game.
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sdfx
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posted April 17, 2007 09:48 AM |
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In theory, paladins with training are the most powerful. How obout practice.. gee I really have no idea..
Hmmm, level 21 Klaus with full joust makes ~damage*2, luck gives on average *1.5, Retribution+Attack gives *1.5 so it's like
Pala damage = 2*1.5*1.5*ADdifference*damage = 4.5*ADdifference*damage
So 1 paladin deals on average = 25*4.5*ADdifference = 112.5*ADdifference damage. That means that in a Klaus vs Klaus battle, assuming that each of them has 100 pala in one stack, the stack that strikes first will simply remove the other.
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Doomforge
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posted April 17, 2007 09:51 AM |
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In theory, paladins with training are the most powerful. How obout practice.. gee I really have no idea..
I've seen it in practice. Dude, it's ridiculous.. the paladins kill everything in 1 hit. Even if divided to two stacks. 
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sdfx
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posted April 17, 2007 09:55 AM |
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Then, 3 seems to be the best number  How could I waste my precious luck?
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feluniozbunio
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posted April 17, 2007 10:53 AM |
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I've seen it in practice. Dude, it's ridiculous.. the paladins kill everything in 1 hit. Even if divided to two stacks.
Its not only paladins. I got a game where(after 2.1) where marksman killed all my hydras with 1. And if he split them in 2 stacks He would still kill them all because he got luck on that hit. (i know he was killing them without luck because we were playing in hot seat mode)
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baklava
Honorable
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Mostly harmless
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posted April 17, 2007 11:00 AM |
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The imbalance about the rune of charge is that there's a chance not to get it. And if you don't get it, and play against another Fortress which got it, you can just start over.
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Sanyu
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posted April 17, 2007 11:08 AM |
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Fortress is weak because other factions are stronger. They each have their own counters...
Haven- I'm sure Doomforge already said enough about Paladins.
Sylvan- Master hunter and Druid Elder are powerful shooters. Ancient treants' defense is nearly as high as that of magma dragons'. With their initiative...fortress can't do much.
Necropolis- Dark spells with high spellpower means nightmarish puppet master and frenzy. With their high growth and necromancy, even huge losses seem little to them.
Academy- The only faction that might have a bit of trouble handling Fortress.
Dungeon- Even with Dwarven Luck and all the resistance thingies, surely you can't be so lucky all the time... Their spells are the perfect counter for Fortress creatures' terrific defense, since spell ignores defense...
Inferno- Nothing is more depressing than seeing all your creatures start very far behind on the ATB bar. With high initiative, almost all Inferno creatures have time to gate. In the end, the high-damage gated creatures can nearly already wipe out the whole fortress' army.
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Doomforge
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posted April 17, 2007 12:38 PM |
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Its not only paladins. I got a game where(after 2.1) where marksman killed all my hydras with 1. And if he split them in 2 stacks He would still kill them all because he got luck on that hit. (i know he was killing them without luck because we were playing in hot seat mode)
Brings back dougie-related memories..
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ChaosDragon
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posted April 17, 2007 03:22 PM |
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Until now, haven is still imba. I hope they do something about this, and another town problem.
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kingdon1975
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I really am the Godfather
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posted April 17, 2007 03:28 PM |
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Isn't Necro imba with powerful raise dead?
I mean they can have a huge army at meeting time.
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ChaosDragon
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posted April 17, 2007 03:39 PM |
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Then how about horde or throng of paladins? necro are nothing againts that, even necro dark magic cannot defeat that super imba thing
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kingdon1975
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I really am the Godfather
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posted April 17, 2007 03:43 PM |
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yeah,I'm hearin' ya there's no doubt that they are SUPER IMBA,but Necro would be second.
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Doomforge
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posted April 17, 2007 03:45 PM |
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Isn't Necro imba with powerful raise dead?
I mean they can have a huge army at meeting time.
which reduces hp by 20% with every use.. yeah, soooo powerful 
necro ain't too strong, definitely nowhere haven, academy and dungoen (the three top castles imo)
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kingdon1975
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I really am the Godfather
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posted April 17, 2007 03:47 PM |
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Isn't Necro imba with powerful raise dead?
I mean they can have a huge army at meeting time.
which reduces hp by 20% with every use.. yeah, soooo powerful
necro ain't too strong, definitely nowhere haven, academy and dungoen (the three top castles imo)
Ok big fella,I'm talkin' abouta progressive game,but even with a rush,I'm talkin' about the build before you even face them.
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