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landsknecht
Adventuring Hero
Askin' for war :p and payments
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posted January 17, 2008 02:20 PM |
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Quote: Guys, this is not a discussion on "Why are Warlocks emo?". this is a discussion on "guns in H6?". back to the topic.
Quote: how could anyone want guns in heroes V. i mean how would it look like. a footman comes walks two steps the he gets his head blown off by a military general with a MK47. and that military general then command his tank (ballista) to fire at the peasents.
that is not fitting in. i mean it just doesn't
Why is everyone thinking of modern guns??? i mean like there are old guns, which would fit in, with the crossbowman.
There are Muskets.
A musket is a muzzle-loaded, smoothbore long gun, which is intended to be fired from the shoulder. The date of origin of muskets remains unknown, but they are mentioned as early as the late 14th century in Chinese military books such as Huo Long Jing. Muskets were primarily designed for use by infantry. Improved with the introduction of rifling around 1800, muzzle loading rifled muskets (of the kind common during the Crimean War) became obsolete by the late 19th century, as cartridge breechloading repeaters superseded them. However, rifled muskets were the most common weapon used up until the late 1870s. Typical musket calibres ranged from 12 mm to 20 mm (.50 to .80 inches). Depending on the type and calibre, it could hit a man's torso at up to 200 m (218 yards), though it was only reliably accurate to about 60 m (70 yards). A soldier primarily armed with a musket had the designation musketman or musketeer.
See?
We could use a cannon or two in Heaven.
A cannon is a ginormous tubular firearm that uses gunpowder to fire a heavy projectile over a long distance. They were first used in China, and were the archetypal form of artillery. The first cannon in Europe probably appeared in Islamic and Christian Spain. English cannons were first used during the Hundred Years War, when primitive cannon were used at the Battle of Crécy in 1346. The end of the Middle Ages saw the construction of larger and more powerful cannon, and their spread in warfare throughout the world.
What do you say about that?
There are also revolvers, which could be used for a Pirate neutral.
The first revolvers were partly an attempt to improve on pepper-box type weapons, which used a revolving cylinder with one set of firing mechanisms, but which had multiple barrels as well. Firing through a single barrel saved the expense and weight of having the multiple barrels of the pepper-box. Snaphance revolvers with the most important features of the type—single fixed barrel, automatic cylinder rotation, and positive cylinder alignment—were made in the late 17th century. The earliest known specimen, now in the Tower of London armories, is dated about 1680 and attributed to John Dafte of London. Elisha Collier patented a flintlock revolver in Britain in 1818, and significant numbers were being produced in London by 1822. In 1835, Samuel Colt patented a type of revolver that became immensely popular in the Wild West in the second half of the 19th century.
Well, i just gave you 3 examples, but there are many more, and hey, we have crossbowmen in H5, and if you didn't know, crossbows were still used in World War 1, along with other guns.
So it's a good idea to include them in H6.
That's EXACTLY what i'm thinking of... gentleman. This is what suits HEROES style gameplay most
*sigh* there are still more tories here in this board :lol:
oh! something to add to Archibaldes to view
^ Hollander Musketeer... they wear Morrion style helmets though.
^ 17th C. french Musketeer (Mousquetaire) .... noticed that he's wearing medieval style tabard. what if the french cross symbol was changed to either griffon or Imperial symbol?
^ medival style Armored harquebusier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ted
Promising
Supreme Hero
Peanut Exterminator
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posted January 17, 2008 05:15 PM |
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i go with yasmiel, guns ruined AoE 3, AoE 2 rocked and i think H6 will rock if they aren't any guns
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rdeford
Known Hero
Wyld Mapper
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posted January 17, 2008 05:36 PM |
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Quote: Guys, this is not a discussion on "Why are Warlocks emo?". this is a discussion on "guns in H6?". back to the topic.
The first time I played H2, I was struck by the colorful beauty, and gentle charm of the reality I found myself in. I was so impressed that I introduced it to my young children. Yes, some of the creatures were an iron-fist-in-a-velvet-glove, but they still somehow fit into that first impression. H3 was more of the same, and did it even better. I loved it and my kids grew up playing it. H4 was disappointing for many reasons, the mechanical dragons being one of them. Basically, a lot of the charm was gone. Somehow, despite the all the radical changes in look and feel brought by H5, the charm is back. I love H5, even with the Gremlins. (They may be shooting something gun-like, but they are cute, weak, and ineffective. Hence, the charm.)
Based on all this personal history, I have the strong feeling that guns in H6 are a bad idea. I don't have logic to defend this feeling. Sorry.
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havi__
Adventuring Hero
H3|2035 C0MMun17Y
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posted January 17, 2008 08:42 PM |
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O my god why do want guns and all snow i mean think on necropolis haven gets ther and everyone has guns ecxept for necropolis and haven blows up the heads of necropolis if you want guns then just play counter strike ther is guns and all other snow!!!
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DeathKnight
Tavern Dweller
King of Dreams
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posted January 17, 2008 08:45 PM |
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Hmmm, just don't like guns in a sphere of magic, arrows and swords. Only my humble opinion
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted January 17, 2008 09:06 PM |
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Quote: I like the new concept, with a more sympathetic history. How can a person feel close to slave drivers? At least with the Dark Elves they have a good reason for being emo. Cepheus, why were the Warlocks of H3 Emo?
I'd like to point out there are a LOT of things people can't sympathize with, yet they DO exist. Not being able to sympathize with something is NO reason not to add something - the slavery concept for Dungeon has always been good, and should remain. And I find it a BETTER concept than the dark elf spooky theme.
I don't mind Dark Elves being in the game, but NOT in a town called "Dungeon" - that's a completely different concept that has been totally ruined, which is a severe loss in my opinion, and fortunately many share that belief. Except Alci and Elvin of course, who always disagree with me
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
, eh?
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posted January 18, 2008 03:09 AM |
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yeah, that's exactly what i was thinking of, musketeers, and maybe cowboys. except that i was thinking guns of 15th-16th century, so a little less advanced. and about guns doing too much damage, it won't happen they will do a little over the regular archer damage. it's like we are not gonna make a lvl 2 hit 100s. i really hope Nival gives us the key to the geometries, hmm, since i'm russian, and Nival is russian, i could possible write to them asking for an editor of these geometries...
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted January 18, 2008 03:28 AM |
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Ooh, if they give you a convert too/from program let me know!
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
, eh?
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posted January 18, 2008 03:56 AM |
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ok guys, i'll do my best. look in the Modders Workshop for details.
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landsknecht
Adventuring Hero
Askin' for war :p and payments
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posted January 18, 2008 06:02 AM |
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And i wish your success Wolfstan
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havi__
Adventuring Hero
H3|2035 C0MMun17Y
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posted January 18, 2008 05:16 PM |
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if you had guns then you destroy the gam HoMM thats what i thinks and i vote NO!
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted January 18, 2008 05:22 PM |
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Perhaps a little overexaggerated there.
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carcity
Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
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posted January 19, 2008 11:07 PM |
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yeah guns don't fit in. not even musqueteers.
hey wulfstan8182 how can you have two signatures???
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted January 20, 2008 08:03 PM |
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because he's stealing other members' sigs.
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
, eh?
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posted January 20, 2008 08:05 PM |
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oh, no, it's just that Wulf got skillz. find out yourself carcity
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted January 21, 2008 05:47 AM |
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We'ere wandering off the non-topic here guys.
Here's a question. What weapons (besides guns) are not in Heroes V, and should they be included?
IN:
Swords (of various kinds: Scimitars, Rapiers, Broadswords, Flamberges)
Saves/Staffs
Wands
Bow
Crossbow
Hand-Thingy-blades (Bezerkers)
Lances
Clubs/Maces/Hammers
Daggers, Knives, and Whittled Bones
Mini-Mortars
Axes
Whips
Pitchforks
Clubs
Cythes
Inherant Talents/Natural Weapons (Fire Breath, Lightning, Teeth, Claws)
Goblins
OUT:
Guns
Morning Stars
Hurling Discs
Javelins/Long Spears
Sarrissae
Wooden/Silver Stakes
Double Bladed Sword
Khopesh
Bayonet
Explosives
What am I forgetting, and what should be included?
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted January 21, 2008 05:59 AM |
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Edited by yasmiel at 06:00, 21 Jan 2008.
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Whats wrong with morning stars? Goblins in H3 looked good with them..
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted January 21, 2008 06:36 AM |
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I just mean they are not in, not that they shouldn't be in.
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landsknecht
Adventuring Hero
Askin' for war :p and payments
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posted January 21, 2008 01:01 PM |
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Quote: guns don't fit in. not even musqueteers.
Paranoid
so you think that heroes world technology should get frozen?
i say no.... Nival gave gremlins Handgoone.
Castellans should have ones too! but use gunpower as propellant :lol:
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landsknecht
Adventuring Hero
Askin' for war :p and payments
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posted January 21, 2008 01:06 PM |
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Quote: if you had guns then you destroy the gam HoMM thats what i thinks and i vote NO!
another torie
it is because you hate renaissance.
it is because you hate changes
it is because you hate fashionworld
you'd better let firearms come in....
remember that Gremlins (in H5) have Handgoones
castellans should have one too!
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