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Cepheus
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posted April 12, 2008 11:36 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 23:42, 12 Apr 2008.
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The only reason for the Forge's existence was the Ancients, who in the storyline were intergalactic travellers (likely humans) who had advanced through technology rather than magic, maybe because their homeworlds weren't imbued with sorcery or something.
There was a reason for it, storywise. In Heroes V we have a seperate universe with no Ancients and everyone has magic, so there's no actual need for guns / machines / tech. Having any would be pointless.
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Geny
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posted April 12, 2008 11:38 PM |
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xerox
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posted April 12, 2008 11:48 PM |
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So?
Who cares about the ancients, the Forge idea was STUPID!!!
In Forge it was not just a medieval gun, Forge was sci-fi!
HoMM is fantasy not sci-fi.
First time i saw forge i thought it was a 1th April joke, it really looked like one.
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Cepheus
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posted April 13, 2008 12:01 AM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 00:05, 13 Apr 2008.
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My friend, you are showing ignorance of the Might and Magic storyline in all aspects. Please reply to me with informed statements and opinions, not blind Forge-bashing thoughts based on emotion instead of fact. They won't get us anywhere.
As for "who cares about the Ancients" and "the Forge idea was STUPID!!!", consider that if they hadn't been invented we wouldn't have Heroes of Might and Magic at all. If you'd care to investigate what I'm saying, try Wikipedia's entry on Might and Magic VII. 
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xerox
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posted April 13, 2008 12:10 AM |
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Why would not we have HoMM without forge and stupid sci-fi?
There was no forge in H1.
I just hate Forge and cannot see how you like the idea of mega lazer zombies...
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Cepheus
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posted April 13, 2008 12:11 AM |
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Because forge and stupid-sci fi was what fathered Heroes. Ever heard of the Might and Magic series?
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posted April 13, 2008 12:26 AM |
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Yes but i didnt know that they were before they made HoMM1, because it has no signs of kreegans or ancients (i think).
And it doesnt matter if HoMM didnt exist, we would not know about it or anything anyway if it didnt exist.
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Cepheus
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posted April 13, 2008 12:30 AM |
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HoMM 1 was made after Might and Magic V. If it and its sci-fi and fantasy blend which you see as a plague hadn't been made, Heroes would not have followed. There are vague sci-fi references in Heroes I. The manual's info is set on the same planet as Might and Magic I.
If HoMM hadn't existed, you wouldn't be here now... bah, I won't go into the grandfather paradox mechanics.
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xerox
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posted April 13, 2008 12:43 AM |
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Well, its a good thing that Forge never became a true faction in heroes so i dont have much to complain about 
Victory for real Fantasy in HoMM 3,5 and 6!
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Cepheus
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posted April 13, 2008 12:50 AM |
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Right!  
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posted April 13, 2008 01:20 AM |
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Heroes of Might and Magic is not on Planet Earth, please try to remember that 
As may be, but that doesn't deny that you need magic to build a flamethrower (kind of defeating the purpose really) because technology isn't good enough.
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posted April 13, 2008 06:46 AM |
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Magic vs. Technology?
Technology always existed since the inception of the existence of Human kind. Even though, there was absolutely no sign of electricity based tech. like light bulbs, vaccum cleaners, washer/dryer units, hand controlled toy cars, kitchen appliances, stereo systems, television and, especially the PC(Artificial Intelligence based Higher Level of Tech.).
Never and Never, Magic. Magic is and was only superstition and mind created fear over something primitive man could not possibly understand. Only, the elemental powers of Nature can be taken as magical happenings over a certain period of time and, unfortunately, no one can possibly control its behaviours and, when it should ever happen(example: Lightning bolt coming from the sky will only happen with storm clouds and, even if you manage to summon its power to the battlefield, it mostly will strike yourself than anyone else on the same battlefield, since no man is and was allowed to control Natures' powers ever.).
In primitive times, the school of magic was merely an art of knowledge bound to used for good use around the kingdom/empire. And, it is as of today, the equivalent of the Arts, Technology and, Labour Colleges. Higher Theocracy is the University with all its diverse types of schools. The University is, also, bound to make higher ranked people within the government and corporate private sectors(intermediate and superior ranked executives upto the president/ceo/cfo).
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posted April 13, 2008 06:51 AM |
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Only, the elemental powers of Nature can be taken as magical happenings over a certain period of time and, unfortunately, no one can possibly control its behaviours
Thats fortunately my friend.
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posted April 13, 2008 04:11 PM |
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Magic is and was only superstition and mind created fear over something primitive man could not possibly understand.
Oy! Just cause you don't understand something does not make it true. If you show a caveman a Cell-Phone he will call it magic. Science has not yet determined how to explain Magic and claim it as their own, mostly because they gave up and started burning the practioners instead. Eventually they will figure out how magic works, but they will give it a different name and say they came up with it.
Sorry for the rant, inner Wiccan needs coffee.
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posted April 13, 2008 06:20 PM |
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I agree fullheartedly with Daystar. There are things that, despite our best efforts in explaining, are unexplaiable. Maybe, in the far distant future, magic may finally be revealed not as an unconventional superstition, but as a revelled science with new light and principles. But, at the moment, this is one of the things that eclipses human understanding.
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posted April 13, 2008 06:49 PM |
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Magic is and was only superstition and mind created fear over something primitive man could not possibly understand.
Oy! Just cause you don't understand something does not make it true. If you show a caveman a Cell-Phone he will call it magic. Science has not yet determined how to explain Magic and claim it as their own, mostly because they gave up and started burning the practioners instead. Eventually they will figure out how magic works, but they will give it a different name and say they came up with it.
Sorry for the rant, inner Wiccan needs coffee.
Haha, I don't agree with this, but I do love the post none-the-less.
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posted April 13, 2008 09:27 PM |
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W00t?
You really belive that there is "magic" in the real world?
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blahbloke
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posted April 14, 2008 02:17 PM |
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I voted yes
Well, if they have gun in warcraft, why the hell not in heroes?
Obiviosly the gun i voted should be like those old rifles, not like the modern ones.
If people welcome back the forge town, then why not the gun.
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Geny
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posted April 14, 2008 03:14 PM |
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Well, if they have gun in warcraft, why the hell not in heroes?
Ummm... because it's not warcraft?
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posted April 14, 2008 03:48 PM |
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Warcraft is.......... 1680'ish, and like only the dwarfs use em 
Heroes are medival before the guns got upgraded enogh to be able to do proper reloads fast.
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