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Strider_HL
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posted August 13, 2008 09:44 AM |
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Also my question is do they stick to those heroes or just take the second hero in the tavern depending on who it is?
Yes, we may play any hero we want but the game must be started with the generated hero.
Matchup format:
Winner is determined by 3 victories. Map is selected through negotiations. Race/hero is defined using modified Kispagat's system - 3 pairs are generated for each game, then both contenders strike out 1 pair that seems the most unfavourable.
Other rules:
1. No DV in final.
2. No native w/m heroes beyond lvl 3. If starting hero is from this list then game is NOT restarted.
3. Banned heroes are Wyngaal and Urgath. (I guess it's permitted to move around with them, but we should clarify it before the next game).
4. No mirror.
5. Hard settings, no time limit.
So far we have played till week 2, day 7. Seems that I'm having my worst game in a year with never ending casualities and map specifics. 1st week gave for both armies -20% initiative, 2nd week - disease (had invested all money in building and was bitterly disappointed). Fortunately for me, Val is struggling as well - his stats are 2 times lower but I'm expecting that our heroes will even out in following 2 weeks. In either case, final is bound to be a spectacle. 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 11:18 AM |
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Also my question is do they stick to those heroes or just take the second hero in the tavern depending on who it is?
Yes, we may play any hero we want but the game must be started with the generated hero.
Matchup format:
Winner is determined by 3 victories. Map is selected through negotiations. Race/hero is defined using modified Kispagat's system - 3 pairs are generated for each game, then both contenders strike out 1 pair that seems the most unfavourable.
Other rules:
1. No DV in final.
2. No native w/m heroes beyond lvl 3. If starting hero is from this list then game is NOT restarted.
3. Banned heroes are Wyngaal and Urgath. (I guess it's permitted to move around with them, but we should clarify it before the next game).
4. No mirror.
5. Hard settings, no time limit.
So far we have played till week 2, day 7. Seems that I'm having my worst game in a year with never ending casualities and map specifics. 1st week gave for both armies -20% initiative, 2nd week - disease (had invested all money in building and was bitterly disappointed). Fortunately for me, Val is struggling as well - his stats are 2 times lower but I'm expecting that our heroes will even out in following 2 weeks. In either case, final is bound to be a spectacle.
You are realy "cool" Strider. Good rules again. But can you tell me one native WM hero from Fortres or i'm miss someting? How you can make rule no native WM hero and no restart game if you get it in tavern.
All what you know well is to "play with rules" and foll ppl for get advantage.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 11:52 AM |
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You are realy "cool" Strider. Good rules again. But can you tell me one native WM hero from Fortres or i'm miss someting? How you can make rule no native WM hero and no restart game if you get it in tavern.
All what you know well is to "play with rules" and foll ppl for get advantage.
Knock, knock, wits, please, come back  Obviously, rules were set before the pair generation. We decided (same as in game vs. sq) that if one opponent gets w/m hero then it's a big advantage - especially if TOH MOD is not used.
No restart if w/m hero is present is somewhat arguable but equal for both. Take into account that there would be too big possibility for restarts because one would have to include 2nd hero in tavern as well.
Btw, in game vs honeypants, me as orc had 2 unusable heroes which means that there is a possibilty I won't get decent hero even in day 2. I asked if that situation qualifies for restart but whiner firmly rejected. The game started funny...1st hero sucks, 2nd is Urgath. But I was lucky not to get Telsek in day 2. If there would have been Telsek I would had to stick with Kilgan...
Anyway, how does it happen that you bark first and think later? 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 12:30 PM |
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Knock, knock, wits, please, come back Obviously, rules were set before the pair generation. We decided (same as in game vs. sq) that if one opponent gets w/m hero then it's a big advantage - especially if TOH MOD is not used.
No restart if w/m hero is present is somewhat arguable but equal for both. Take into account that there would be too big possibility for restarts because one would have to include 2nd hero in tavern as well.
Btw, in game vs honeypants, me as orc had 2 unusable heroes which means that there is a possibilty I won't get decent hero even in day 2. I asked if that situation qualifies for restart but whiner firmly rejected. The game started funny...1st hero sucks, 2nd is Urgath. But I was lucky not to get Telsek in day 2. If there would have been Telsek I would had to stick with Kilgan...
Anyway, how does it happen that you bark first and think later?
1. Stop use name "ToH mod" when its "Strider mod". None use it and none will use.
2. On maps were meet is after week 4 and heroes are over lvl 22-23 WM heroes dont give any advantage. Its just trade not so good skill for end game vs good for early creeping. For example haven/inferno/orc need WM early on game for normal creeping and all have 10-15% for get this skill. So luck to get WM on lvl 2 or native WM hero from tavern is same. No point to ban heroes.
3. Dont know why you explain for your game with SQ79 when we talk now for game vs Val but Kilgan is good hero too.
4. I'm play with no rules and dot have problems. Maybe you can try it too 
P.S. Kennel Brothers Ltd look every your step. 
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted August 13, 2008 12:51 PM |
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4. No mirror.
What's this one? You can't both play with the same faction? Why not?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 13, 2008 12:52 PM |
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Many reasons one of which excruciating boredom.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted August 13, 2008 04:06 PM |
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4. No mirror.
What's this one? You can't both play with the same faction? Why not?
main reason is that these guys are so freakin scary that they never carry a mirror....
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 06:05 PM |
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Really liked the part of the scary guys and mirrors, nice touch Fiur !
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 07:06 PM |
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Maybe because TOH it's small community and dominated by preferences of certain people, or maybe because game is imbalanced and broken and need 1000 rules and restrictions to steel be playable ... Brrr, sound bad, can't be true
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 13, 2008 07:37 PM |
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4. No mirror.
What's this one? You can't both play with the same faction? Why not?
I fully agree, no mirror is a stupid rule ... if I were to host the Caesar's Tournament, I would "force" players to play four mirror games(each chooses two towns for mirror), and one full random game, if the matchup is not decided after four rounds
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 07:49 PM |
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I fully agree, no mirror is a stupid rule ... if I were to host the Caesar's Tournament, I would "force" players to play four mirror games(each chooses two towns for mirror), and one full random game, if the matchup is not decided after four rounds
I think its really hard to find balanced pair of main hero of the same faction.
One player may think (and most probably he is right) that he has weaker hero for sure.
If no mirror rule applies, I feel it gives better chance cuz really cant tell mostly which is a weaker faction at the kickoff, and also main heroes can balance the faction out.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 09:45 PM |
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lol
No mirror is only one good rule. Its boring to playing mirrors and most races have 2-3 better heroes so if one get them second will think its not fair and its realy will be not fair.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 10:51 PM |
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Official position is that there are no rules. Additionally, if two people can find an agreement on some then it's fine. It's pointless for uninvolved observers to argue about something that is preferred by those two 
But speaking in general, as we can see, there are many various opinions in the community. Some don't ban Wyngaal, some like mirror games, ban flaming arrows, play heroic only etc. And it ALL is totally acceptable as people are DIFFERENT and have a right for their own unique perspective.
Following this is a rhetorical question: why do some personalities around here find this truth of various views disturbing? Should a person be attacked just because he believes in things that are diverse (be it a religion, rules in heroes or conviction that map is not orkish)?
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted August 13, 2008 11:28 PM |
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I just find mirror matches interesting to play. You can really identify differences in style with your opponent.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 11:47 PM |
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I just find mirror matches interesting to play. You can really identify differences in style with your opponent.
Actualy its not.
Will give smal example. Sylvan vs Sylvan both have same arts/stats/skills. Who hit 1st and special shot with hunters 1st will won. Only luck will decide who will be 1st.
Example 2: academy vs academy. Its pure shoters race. Both have all same again. Who is 1st will won.
Example 3: Dungeon vs Dungeon. Race up only attack and almost zero def. 1st will won again.
Summary: In mirror games if both have same stats/arts/skills only luck decide who will be 1st and he will won 90% from games. If you loss game like it you will be sure pissed and feel like loss time for noting.
So far in real games never both can have same stats/arts, but 1st will get bigest advantage compare no mirror match. Luck with spels can change all too. So mirrors games are option, but realy not fun for play.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted August 14, 2008 12:29 AM |
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So far in real games never both can have same stats/arts, but 1st will get bigest advantage compare no mirror match. Luck with spels can change all too. So mirrors games are option, but realy not fun for play.
I'll defer to your greater experience. I do have quite a few games under my belt though most were not for TOH. Of those I think only 2 have been mirror matches...
Warlock vs. Warlock and Academy vs. Academy.
Spell availability determined the victor in both cases.
I just find it interesting.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 14, 2008 08:35 AM |
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The only banned hero is Wyngaal, so that means all the others are more or less the same ... and balanced in the end, so this argument doesn't stand.
There are alternate upgrades, artifacts, different spells, creeping and many other things to make the battle spicy... so I think in the end the better strategist will prevail 9 times out of 10, only one game out of ten being decided by luck maybe...which is far better than most of the match-ups.
Strider don't be paranoic, nobody is attacking you, the rule was agreed between you and Valentin, so it's his rule as much as it is yours, I just think it is a stupid rule.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 14, 2008 09:59 AM |
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The only banned hero is Wyngaal, so that means all the others are more or less the same ...
Strider don't be paranoic, nobody is attacking you, the rule was agreed between you and Valentin, so it's his rule as much as it is yours, I just think it is a stupid rule.
Hmm, seems that TOHers don't know that Urgath is bugged as well. Nival screwed up mechanics formula unintentionally same as with Wyngaal in earlier game versions. Skipping details, Urgath is by far the best logistics hero in the game due to programming error.
Towerlord, I wasn't referring to you hehe Your diplomatic and well-reasoned conduct should be an example for some notorious others.
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gmmari
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 15, 2008 11:36 AM |
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What happen to this tournament?
Why tournament is stopped and the little player like me don't see who is the best?
We have 2 semi-finalist but where are the other?
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 09:59 AM |
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Indeed, the Caesars tournament is dragging very slowly. Concerning my match-up with Val then both of us are quite busy. For instance, I haven't seen Val on battlefield already for a week and we played only 1 time in last 10 days. Add to that time when I might be busy as well and you have a very loooong series.
At least we are advancing slowly but surely. Currently, we are in the ending phase of game 1. Hopefully, for the next games we find each other more frequently.
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