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Doomforge
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posted July 03, 2008 09:37 AM |
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my head hurts.
Well, what can I say. Gender change is ok if you are a transsexual, or similar. But if you are a healthy woman.. umm. Don't wanna be rude, so I won't put any comment, since my opinion doesn't matter anyway.
I don't have much knowledge about the whole proces. If you wonder about will he/she have a normal penis.. no. You can't reproduce the nerves. The penis is afaik formed from uterus and clitoris' tissues and is defective. It will never work as male's original one. It looks pretty similar but that's it.
Gender change also affects sexuality, well, obviously. It is not uncommon to lose interest in sex after such drastic therapy completely. Afaik, it's also not uncommon to lose interest in men, and become intersted in women, no matter of what gender you were before. Orgasm is no longer possible afaik.
And of course you end up totally completely sterile, so if Mytical ever wanted children of her/his own.. forget it.
What else can I say.. if one just "wants" to be male/female while not being transsexual or at least a transvestite at the same time.. Think about the consequences. You lose the ability to have normal sex, children, and no matter how hard you want to believe in it, you are NOT going to become male/female. You become more of a sterile male/female hybrid with everything related to normal life cycle altered or simply "deactivated" forever. I don't know Mytical well and I don't know what were the reasons, I believe they were good ones, but, still, the consequences are overwhelming. Kinda.
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posted July 03, 2008 10:27 AM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 10:31, 03 Jul 2008.
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In advance, forgive me the typos...
Wow, I was really shocked when I read this thread. I anticipated that Mysty would do this operation somewhere in the distant future, but not a few weeks ago.
I actually feel quite stupid now; I was calling her (or better: him) Lady Mythical untill now. I just hope he isn't insulted.
Anyhow, Mythical seems to take this reaction rather stoically, which I think is a good trait of his caracter. As I noticed Mythical doesn't care too much about what we think about hi. To him, the most important is to be happy and feel good. He's himself now, I don't think it's up to us to tell him if it's wrong or not, that is extremely interventionist and impolite.
@ GenieLord: If you don't like to talk/think about it, simply don't. I can understand that you're interested in Mythical's desire (but I know you a bit, and I doubt you wish to change your sex to female ), but if it makes you feel bad, just avoid it. There's not reason to torture yourself with bad feelings. Besides, by creating this thread you've shown that you are NOT hypocrite. If you still say otherwise someone needs to kick your @$$ hard enough to open your eyes. 
@ Mythical: When I first learned about your feelings and plans, I shook my head and refused to believe it. Now I do believe it, and I apologise for this Thomastic behaviour. I also like to add the following: I really respect your courage. Confessing something like your gender-change to people you hardly know, is a very brave act. If must have taken some guts to write this... and if it didn't, you simply don't care about what others think about you, which is a good trait as well. Lord Mythical, you gain 1000 respect points from me.
<*TUM pops up and stamps the words "CYBERGEEK" on my forehead*>
About the matter: I'll post what I think about gender-change here shortly.
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posted July 03, 2008 10:33 AM |
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Confessing something like gender-change to people you hardly know, is a very brave act.
Not really. I have been able to confess many things here but I don't find it hard. Why? It's because I probably won't ever see these people at all in my lifetime. It's just like strangers you see all the time. Someone might do a stupid thing but it might be the only time that you will ever see him/her so in the end, it doesn't matter.
I wouldn't call it brave for her/him to have said that but hey, that's just my opinion.
And I respect what Genielord says and he knows that I do (I think). Although I do think that gender changes should be prohibited. I mean if you are born a male then you should just accept that you are a male and get on with your life. Sure, it would be cool to experience what the opposite gender experiences, but you will never have any of those same experiences even if you do have a gender change. It has to do with the genes. If you are born a female, then you will always be a female. You can look like a male but you are and always will be female. That's all I will say at the moment. People shouldn't change genders and that's just hoe I feel.
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posted July 03, 2008 10:52 AM |
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Confessing something like gender-change to people you hardly know, is a very brave act.
Not really. I have been able to confess many things here but I don't find it hard. Why? It's because I probably won't ever see these people at all in my lifetime.
I'm with Will on that one. It takes no courage what so ever to confess anything anywhere in the internet... is has absolutely zero (real) consequences for you.
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posted July 03, 2008 11:19 AM |
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This is Mytical's weekend and everyone is talking while she is not here.
I don't remember if it was before or after the operation, but I told her I didn't know what to say so I wouldn't say anything. I still don't know what to say, so anything I say falls far short. But one thing for sure, this was a major operation and it takes time to heal physically and far more time to adapt psychologically. There's more to it than a dick vs a pussy. Sewing on a dick doesn't make a man. But then being born with a dick doesn't make a man either, there's far more to it than that.
I don't know about the "solution", but I think I at least partly understand the motivation, it's called sadness. (Mytical, please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Sad Lisa
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posted July 03, 2008 11:24 AM |
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Had to read this thread
Sadly, I miss a comment from the main character her/himself - I didn't know the operation had already been done, I have the same thoughts as GL, I think it is tough to talk about it when I don't know what Mytical thinks and really I just need a comment from him
Saying him is so weird to me, when I know he was a she - I guess I am still to immature to comprehend the whole situation and that freaks me out.
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posted July 03, 2008 02:24 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 14:25, 03 Jul 2008.
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I don't think a gender change is really a good idea, but I think Mytical had enough reasons to do it (otherwise she wouldn't do it, right?)
I was just used to say "she" to Mytical Oh well, I guess I'll familiarize myself with a "he" from now on
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posted July 03, 2008 02:34 PM |
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A lot of ground to cover, may edit this a couple of times trying to cover everything.
First off GL, don't feel bad about any reaction you may have had. I honestly expected worse (prepair for the worse, hope for the best). The only way I can even hope to explain it (and the explination still lacks a lot) is this.
Let us say one day, you wake up in a coffin. You can not get out by yourself. What would you do to get out of that coffin?
I felt trapped in a body that was not my own. I identified more with men then I did with females. Hehe of course I am still an a 'girly' man, but I never did fit into societies gender molds.
I won't get into the 'sexual' part of it, this is a pg13 board, but I will say that intercourse was not a priority with me before or after. Love is much more important, as is caring for your partner.
As Winter said, I don't care if you call me he, she, it, that thing, whatever. A very generous person offered the money and for the last year I had been taking the hormones. You have to go through therapy, constant questioning of motive/readiness, etc. Sometimes painful shots. You have to be totally committed, and the pain after is a bit much. I didn't do this lightly.
I am the same person however. My outside may be different, but where it counts, my personality I am exactly the same.
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posted July 03, 2008 02:45 PM |
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My outside may be different, but where it counts, my personality I am exactly the same.
That's very true I mean, you could not even say what gender you are and you were still the Mytical I know
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posted July 03, 2008 02:49 PM |
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posted July 03, 2008 02:52 PM |
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Wow, Mytical, I didn't know that you feel this way. Thanks for saying this. I appreciate your honestly and how open you are with us. I'm really curious to see how you look now. Perhaps you can send us a picture?
And I want to thank you all for the support. It's good to know that others had the same thoughts that I did.
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Mytical
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posted July 03, 2008 03:07 PM |
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In order to recieve understanding, it is important to be understanding. This is a belief I have lived under my entire life. I understand that this will make people uncomfortable for awhile, and that it will take much getting use to it. It's all good.
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posted July 03, 2008 03:08 PM |
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I felt trapped in a body that was not my own. I identified more with men then I did with females. Hehe of course I am still an a 'girly' man, but I never did fit into societies gender molds.
Well my dear friend, such thing is not treated by changing your gender. Psychology and psychiatry exists for a reason. I don't mean to be rude, but you've took - well, imho of course - the worst way possible to get rid of your problem, extremely radical and ruining so many things in your mind and body it's not even possible to count. I sincerely hope you won't horribly regret it when you grow older, and when other things - not very important right now - will kick in, but I am somehow unable not to think that way. It may sound stupid for me telling you that since I am quite a bit younger than you, but.. oh well.
It's like men having problems with their cock size. They undergo difficult surgeries, eat pills, use pumps, torment themselves every day.. ruin their lives, their mind, their self-esteem, their health, their bodies. while others happily accept what they have, and live a happy, carefree life, although they have even less then those poor grievers.
All our self esteem problems begin in our head. And that's where they should also end. If you're trying to alter the reality just to pursuit your dream, or rather, trying to get rid of a problem that is a problem only because you think it is.. well, you just do it the wrong way.
Cheers and I wish you good luck in your new life.
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posted July 03, 2008 03:12 PM |
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It is your right to think that way Doomforge. I didn't do it to get rid of a problem, however. I did it because I wanted to do it. No excuses, it was my choice. Wasn't because I was abused (which I wasn't) or society (it wasn't). I made the choice and I will deal with whatever consequences it has for me.
You have to do what makes you happy.
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posted July 03, 2008 03:14 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 15:19, 03 Jul 2008.
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JAIJ Mytical has finally spoken!! Sorry if this is being insensitive but... I don't know doesn't anyone else think that this thing is geting more dramatic than it actually is? But ok... doesn't really matter what I think . Just saying this is becomeing a weee bit cheesy.
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@Doomforge eventhough I think the subject is a tiny bit more complex I almost fell of my chair from this one:
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It's like men having problems with their cock size. They undergo difficult surgeries, eat pills, use pumps, torment themselves every day.. ruin their lives, their mind, their self-esteem, their health, their bodies. while others happily accept what they have, and live a happy, carefree life, although they have even less then those poor grievers.
 That was awesome. Don't get me wrong it was an good example which was perfectly understandable (atleast for men)
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posted July 03, 2008 03:30 PM |
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Azagal: thanks
Mytical: are you sure? You say you don't feel well in your body. That indicates you do it because of the discomfort you feel, not because changing gender makes you happy (because you obviously can't know how it is to be a man, well, you can do a surgery but you can't change your mind that will forever remain feminine, you know. I don't imply you like flowers and girly stuff, it's just that some things can't be changed ).
Well, enough of my rambling. Good luck to you
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posted July 03, 2008 03:42 PM |
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Oh and as I posted somewhere else, I just want to clear something up. The only reason I said anything at all about the operation is that I believe in honesty. I take pride in how honest I am (yeah yeah pride is bad I know).
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posted July 03, 2008 03:45 PM |
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Now that we've had so many arguments both interesting, constructive, considering and disaproving could we all just do it like Doomforge?
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Well, enough of my rambling. Good luck to you
xD of course it's not up to me to close this thread but I just think that it would be a really good idea to just let this topic rest. Nothing is going to change anyhow and franqly I don't see what anyone has to say to Mytical in this thread. We'd just have a drama which isn't really what I (we?) want.
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posted July 03, 2008 03:51 PM |
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This thread closed?
unless someone like Kommander skarlet comes up.
(don't have much to add, here, except: respect)
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I made the choice and I will deal with whatever consequences it has for me.
spoken like a true man... or an adult)
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posted July 03, 2008 03:53 PM |
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(yeah yeah pride is bad I know).
Pride is not always bad, it's only when it blurs your view (and makes you the selfish "I'm so awesome" ego attitude)
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