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sq79
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posted July 18, 2008 10:57 PM |
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Edited by sq79 at 23:12, 18 Jul 2008.
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Forfeiting my 2nd Caesars game
Sad to say, I'll forfeit my 2nd game in Caesar rather than play Strider_hl again.
To me, playing a complete hypocrite who tries his best to act like a gentlemen turns me off from heroes 5 totally.
He's prolly a better player than me for sure, but the magnitude and fairness in his game is completely disgusting to me. My experiences with the other great players like ghasteater, betruger and zilo have been very nice so far despite losing like mad to them during the early days of my toh.
But it has been a very bad experience to play this "gentleman" so far for me. I exploded today simply because i can't stand the hypocritcy.
Good luck to all semi finalists btw 
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Zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted July 18, 2008 11:09 PM |
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Edited by Zilonite at 23:10, 18 Jul 2008.
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As I wrote in my private mesages, don't do it so hasty and at least think about it once more
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kermit
Known Hero
Soul hunter
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posted July 18, 2008 11:13 PM |
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Edited by kermit at 23:15, 18 Jul 2008.
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Looks like somebody's pissed off
Hey we need to see you guys go epic! Now get that spirit back and go kick Strider_hl's posteriour  Show us what really a champ is made of!
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted July 18, 2008 11:59 PM |
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Sad to say, I'll forfeit my 2nd game in Caesar rather than play Strider_hl again.
To me, playing a complete hypocrite who tries his best to act like a gentlemen turns me off from heroes 5 totally.
He's prolly a better player than me for sure, but the magnitude and fairness in his game is completely disgusting to me. My experiences with the other great players like ghasteater, betruger and zilo have been very nice so far despite losing like mad to them during the early days of my toh.
But it has been a very bad experience to play this "gentleman" so far for me. I exploded today simply because i can't stand the hypocritcy.
Good luck to all semi finalists btw
Is it the full moon or very unusually lowly you talking?  Here is my answer:
1. "Hypocrite".
Probably I was awarded of this title due to defending the map against accusations that it's "anti-sylvan" and orcs just rule there. Sq even went that far that played it twice in single with orcs to prove the point.
I completely understand his emotions. Especially, as Sq stressed he played very well but was hopeless against orcs. Feeling his frustration I've listened to all this for last 3 days. My only mistake was that I assumed defensive position about the map as it was chosen to be the scape goat. I'd like to remind that initially it was just a friendly and passionate discussion on his side hehe Wisest move for me would have been agreeing to all of that.
2. "Tries his best to act like a gentlemen".
Yet, I found it hard to put blame on the map that has been made by smart strategist who understands all facets of the game. Therefore and also to avoid fruitless tennis game of arguments I offered Sq a reversed game. Simple as that... no quarrel needed - he could just waste me with powerful orc hordes.  "No" was the answer... I've repeated the proposal several times but no more - strangely indeed, you have crossed the line. 
Bottomline, I figure this thread would be non-existent if I'd put this map on a firing range hehe Unfortunately, I'm not that kind of person who avoids conflict in the name of sacred peace sacrificing someone other (especially after patiently listening to whining for 3 days and receiving screenshots of orc monsters).
In conclusion, I'd like to emphasize that a reversed game is the wisest and the fairest solution to any argument about map balance. Also, I felt that I act honorably by offering this on my own initiative. It's just sad to see into what this has tranformed... 
P.s. Map was blind, pairings were generated - all square and fair. In worst dreams I couldnt imagine myself acting like this if I had lost. Truly mature, Sq...
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 19, 2008 12:05 AM |
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like I said when I was about to start caesars, expect a lot of drama. This is just the beginning. I have my own perspective on all the players involved and how honorable or dishonorable they really are. But I won't share it here.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 19, 2008 12:06 AM |
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Edited by vesuvius at 00:08, 19 Jul 2008.
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Valentin can take SQ's place if he wants to, if SQ decides to forefit 2nd game. I prefer that SQ continues though, this time plays with his own parameters... or have me decide.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 12:40 AM |
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I think match Sq79 and Strider need start from begining and zero 1st game on "Twilight World" because map is realy not balanced and pure orc. Its look best to me and hope Strider will agree.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted July 19, 2008 04:06 AM |
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not sure if my word does count here but i like to share what I think anyway....
first of all the map Twilight World
Zilo/Signe have made an great map! and for sure created an damn hard map... (just a few minor correction needed IMHO), and as always Signe know how to decorate maps... 
then SQ79.... never do forfeit when you are in the final!
(I've got several games against Strider_HL), and most of all several hours of MSN chatting.... you can call this guy by many names but never an hypocrite!! thats just plain stupid.....
(in my "eyes" Strider is an very nice guy)
and like you SQ79 sure I've been angry (should turned that anger aganist myself cause it's not Striders fault that he is so much better than me )on this guy too (but my reason, and my reason only has been cause he has been so much better than me in most of our games, still 2 of our games has been real close ones....). So SQ79 if I manage to play "close" to Strider's standard I BET you can be able to beat him!....
Just don't walk down from the "podium" you just have entered...
I would rather see that you stand up an fight you deserve your place damn well in that final!!
this was just my point of view....
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted July 19, 2008 04:10 AM |
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I think match Sq79 and Strider need start from begining and zero 1st game on "Twilight World" because map is realy not balanced and pure orc. Its look best to me and hope Strider will agree.
that would ruin the game totally cause Twilight World is best played blind! (and I guess that was Zilos/Signes intention when they made the map)
to play that map for the 2'nd time is'nt fun at all... (or atleast lower the expectation by 70% + )
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 06:31 AM |
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Here's how the negotiation went, i wanted 3 x rmg and 3xrandom heroes for kick off.
But after 3 hours of chatting, i have no choice but to give in to this gentleman's request of twilight zone, i actually agree just because zilo made it. But i start to have 2nd thoughts with how biased the map was created for orcs.
And fiur, there is a reason why this damn nice guy is only considered honorable after 51 games, as a sidenote, i reported him in highest honor in all 6 games i played him, for a player with 50% of games with deleb in dml, orson in ability, grok in hod choosen as heroes. Its not surprising how he views honor and fairness
He just only turned slightly more honorable lately
Anyway, Ves i would have no problem letting Valentin take my position for return game, i did have a slight argument with val in a d/c in dml once, but sure i'll support him
This is the first time i did such a nasty thread in forum after 200+ games in toh, simply because a better player than me imo doesn't even wanna start a 50/50 game!!!
I will maintain my forfeit position. But let this thread be a warning, and i strongly suggest Ves to pick the map for any games concerning games with this guy 
Twilight zone is strongly not recommended.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 07:28 AM |
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Map is complicated thing and need hard testing before use in tournament... I think it's a mistake to use new map that oz not hardly tested on TOH by players at least for one month time ...
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 07:38 AM |
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Edited by Elit at 07:45, 19 Jul 2008.
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(I've got several games against Strider_HL), and most of all several hours of MSN chatting.... you can call this guy by many names but never an hypocrite!! thats just plain stupid.....
(in my "eyes" Strider is an very nice guy)
You are so naive Fiur...but its normal when you playing for fun and not care for points. Strider play very well but i'm totaly not respect him...and its because he not trust his skills and never start fair games with 50/50 chances vs good oponents. I was fooled long time ago to play "blind" on another zilo map vs Strider and i was suprised when i notice my oponent know it perfect.So game was blind for me only. He use necro too and map was best for necro.
Now is same again. Zilo offer new map 178:178. Its sounds like big map yes? So based on it When Sq and Strider strike his race/heroes set he decide to play sylvan vs orc. On big map its good choice. But in real map is very smal because here have alot water and he didunt know it when strike races. I'm realy suprised how Strider "blind" choice again best race on map. Here orc have big advantage against all other races. For begining only he can have combo warpat+snatch and its very important on map with much water. Second on starting area orc start with 6k xp compare to all other races 2k. Its realy big diference on map where is hard to kill any unit and you cant lvl so fast.
About guards on map. 1st all are set same for every game...and i cant see one lvl 7 from orc...so here no chance for sylvan to choice FE Cyclopes. Second all guards can be kiles easy with WM. Regeneration not help so much on map where you need to rush and use low lvl units most time from game. All races need to loss few days for back in main town for learn spels but orc no need it. Most big problems orc have vs dark magic but every game you start with imun frenzy and can get later imun blind. So orc no need worry for dark spels. For me its totaly not fair match orc vs sylvan on Twilight World.
Game need be zero and they need to play tested map or rmg.
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 08:16 AM |
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Edited by jorko80 at 08:18, 19 Jul 2008.
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My opinion here :
I totally support SQ79 ,all he says is truth. Strider desperately tries to talk smart and to look good in the eyes of the people,but all he does is luring them to play unfair matches. Why do you think I played just 1 game with him, it's because we tried twice to arrange a game and we couldn't. It was a hard talk for more then 2 hours and all the time he tried to give himself an advance ,which a player who doesn't know the game well will not sense. It's plain and simple , he just never want to start a 50/50 game. I'll never play a blind game with him cause I don't trust him(and I'm pretty sure that Twilight Zone wasn't blind for him). And if I happen to play with him in the Ceasars, I really don't know how will this be done.
P.S to SQ79, just try to finish your game,maybe tomorrow you'll cool down your anger and will be able to do it. After all there is always a chance to beat him. Good luck!
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted July 19, 2008 08:35 AM |
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yeah I'm so naive that cause I just turned 14 (or was it 13 not sure )
first of all yes sure its an hard map for Sylvan against Orcs...
But Strider offered SQ79 and rematch with same setup but this time Strider play Sylvan SQ79 Orcs... how about that? (seems like some ppl forget that offer.... or is it just me who is so freakin naive all over again...???
about preset frenzy artie... sure thats an nasty thing... (but blind does'nt have to be.... with some smart play it's easy to get rid of a blind spell on a Orc creature....(but thats not what all this is about)
Bottom line (or in between "Lines" some like to call Strider an damn nasty player (maybe even some wanna add Zilo on that list....)
Striders own armourer lol.....
back to history....what strider liked to play in the past is history (like always Deleb/DML and so on...) my latest game as been all random and on map he not have seen before 100% true! he can't cheat on me (even that I'm 100% Naive believe it or not...)
I'll stop now but I really wanted to add alot more....
I like'em all SQ79, Strider and Zilo...
for me this is a game....(and yes Elit I play mostly for fun, so what do I know about this game....
I'm happy that I manage to make some maps thats all (makes me happy) to play this game I leave that to the great players who know how...
man.... this is an wonderful world
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 08:50 AM |
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"Strider offered SQ79 and rematch with same setup but this time Strider play Sylvan SQ79 Orcs..."
Sound fair ... It's best chance to SQ to prove he is right on battlefield, like true hero ... Words are words ... Only real play test can show if map is balanced or not ...
It's not good if we all attack one person for using some heroes ... I always choose hero, and not go random hero ... Choosing hero is important part of strategic game. Entire game, strategy can be build on one hero ... I think going random hero it's a mistake in true strategic game.
In my last game with Willgeforce i proposed him to take Wyngaal as his hero ... Just wanted to see true power of Sylvan against orcs ... He responded - no thanks, Ossir is better on random maps ....
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 09:08 AM |
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But Strider offered SQ79 and rematch with same setup but this time Strider play Sylvan SQ79 Orcs... how about that? (seems like some ppl forget that offer.... or is it just me who is so freakin naive all over again...???
1. He offered it as a non caesars game after how mad i got over the map, he says only to do it next season initially 
Now after myself kicking such a big fuss with this thing because he was simply sacarstic and arrogant in msn yesterday, he tries to look good and honorable again in public offering such a rematch. And no, I will maintain my forfeit stand and let Val take up my position this time.
Fiur, i know u and Fraudatio are very nice guys and its been nice playing u guys too, but surely not with Strider. Elit sounds bad tempered and poor English, but to me, he has been very honorable and fair enough.
Still to add on to all these, from the way i see him play, he is still prolly the best player in TOH, both in creeping and duelling, but let's say he's only 5% better than me which i personally felt, but during the negotiation phase, he will try to make the game 20% more. And of course, for this map, it was a 80% game. Just like fiur himself mentioned in chatroom while we were playing halfway as you were the only one of 2 who has played tested this map, the game outcome was fixed on day 1. I've played so many games and i believe i understand the game mechanics well enough to sense the entire map was made biased.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 09:09 AM |
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yeah I'm so naive that cause I just turned 14 (or was it 13 not sure )
I'm happy that I manage to make some maps thats all (makes me happy) to play this game I leave that to the great players who know how...
man.... this is an wonderful world
I'm understand you perfect Fiur You want fun from playing and you get it. But its not same for all ppl. I want to have fair match/games and if loss to be because my oponet do better game or because i did bad. It's not fun to be fooled from rules and to loss game because of it. I'm not say Strider do it vs you....but i know alot games where he did it vs other ppl on his lvl.
About Strider offer for playing orc vs sylvan same map...his offer was to be no ceasar game Do you see difference ? For this SQ79 is so pissed and refuse to play more. I can say sq79 is one from most honorable player in toh and he is damn good. For 1st time i see him pissed so much. I'm with hot temper not he
About Zilo i cant say any because i dont know him realy. But his map "Twilight World" is old project so its normal if he is talk about it with Strider before.So Strider know about map alot more from SQ79 when they did strike.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 09:13 AM |
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For 1st time i see him pissed so much.
I was wondering when this will happen.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 09:15 AM |
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Still to add on to all these, from the way i see him play, he is still prolly the best player in TOH, both in creeping and duelling, but let's say he's only 5% better than me which i personally felt, but during the negotiation phase, he will try to make the game 20% more. And of course, for this map, it was a 80% game.
I cant agree. Maybe i will be out from 1st round (from my student Kispagat)but for sure i'm best player in toh atm
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted July 19, 2008 09:17 AM |
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Nice attitude, Elite. Fight for the honor, fight until the end !
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