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posted November 21, 2009 10:17 PM |
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Yeah it's fine and dandy to be in one, but not so if you consider how heart broken you can be (like william who even thought about suicide). How can the short-sighted benefits possibly outweight the bad outcome?
...what the hell? By that logic you shouldn't do anything as long as there is any danger to it. It's called living you know go out and experience stuff. He's 14 it's all good. I was absolutely heartbroken (seriously I was devastated) at the age of 13 and look at me now I made it 7 years further without committing suicide. When I think back at the time I was so miserable I laugh now because it was so sweet and innocent^^. And btw I think will is a pretty inappropriate example.
If you fall down and hurt yourself you'll be an experience smarter. What's the problem? Sure Carcity is young but the sooner a baby starts trying to walk the better!
He doesn't have to go into this relationship with the goal of marrying the woman and letting her be the only one in his life. He can just do it because he has feelings for her and then just see where it takes him. He'll be a both cleverer and stronger person after the experience, no matter the outcome.
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posted November 21, 2009 10:22 PM |
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...what the hell? By that logic you shouldn't do anything as long as there is any danger to it.
I'm not sure you're aware that 50% and 1% are not the same statistical chances. Yes I would pick the first one over the second. It's just because I'm irrational. 
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It's called living you know go out and experience stuff. He's 14 it's all good. I was absolutely heartbroken (seriously I was devastated) at the age of 13 and look at me now I made it 7 years further without committing suicide.
Right. Of course, if it doesn't happen 100% of the time, it happens 0% of the time. I forgot that.
Maybe you need to talk to the parents of the kids who suicided because of it. You know, "experience" a different perspective and story.
You'll just ignore my posts, though, because it contains the words "statistics" and "irrational" (or their opposites).
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posted November 21, 2009 10:24 PM |
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So what if it ends? Everything ends.
By that logic, one shouldn't care for one's own life, either. It ends too, right?
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People marry and a huge % of marriages ends with a divorce.
That's unfortunate but completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. It'd be like if we were discussing a murderer and you said, "Who cares? Hitler killed much more people than that guy ever would!"
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We are males after all, we want to be first.
It's not all about sex. 
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If you fall down and hurt yourself you'll be an experience smarter.
If you already know that you'll hurt yourself if you'll fall down, what's the point of falling down to prove it?
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posted November 21, 2009 10:25 PM |
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What's the point of starting a relationship if you know it's going to end within a year, and probably much, much sooner?
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It's most likely not going to be the love of his life but who cares?
If it's not, then what's the point of even trying?
...What? What's the point?! The point is that he does have feelings for her. The point is that he wants to be with this girl. We're just talking about relationships here not about shooting somebody. Your personal desire should be a valid reason for something like this wouldn't you say?
The point of starting a relationship is that there is the possibility that you might want to stay with that person for the rest of your life. And how will you know if you don't try, hmm?
Even if he breaks up with her or she with him, even if he'll be very sad it'll all been worth it. Why? Because he'll have grown, he'll be a bigger person which can only benefit him in the future!
@TheDeath
I'm glad we agree that Suicide is probably the worst outcome and most unlikely. But yeah something bad may come out of it but that's called learning. As I said before it's about getting experience.
@Doom
I don't agree that's about men wanting to be the first everywhere. I think you're sexing this thing up a tad too much. He wants to go out with here all the other stuff is atleast a bit more in the future for now.
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posted November 21, 2009 10:29 PM |
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@All of you, I have feelings for this girl, I just want to know if she feels the same way,if she does, I'll be very happy, if she doesn't then I'll get over it.
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posted November 21, 2009 10:32 PM |
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The point is that he does have feelings for her.
And my point is that even if she has feelings in return, the chances of one of their feelings changing is very high.
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Your personal desire should be a valid reason for something like this wouldn't you say?
Suppose I have a personal desire to buy a grand piano. I spend thousands of dollars on it. Then my desire disappears, it's sitting in my living room, and I'm out on several thousand dollars. Same here.
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how will you know if you don't try, hmm?
How many happily married couples do you know that met at 14?
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Because he'll have grown, he'll be a bigger person which can only benefit him in the future!
You mean he'll have learned from his mistakes. But if he knows not to make them in the first place, then why should he make them?
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It's just not worth it. Think about it. Even if she does have feelings for you, realistically, how long do you think your relationship would last?
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posted November 21, 2009 10:34 PM |
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mvass, you're putting DF words in an entirely different context, don't do that just because it rubs you the wrong way.
Life isn't StarWars where Yoda tells you to lift an XWing without practise.
City made his decission to talk to her about and now you butt in saing random nihilism stuff and forseing him suicide. What is wrong with you? If you can't be the least bit supportive then at least confine yourself.
When I see your posts I picture an overprotective mother keeping her child from the scary world outside. If he wants to take his chances that's great, he won't regret not trying.
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posted November 21, 2009 10:35 PM |
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Mvass and Azzie, "first" doesn't mean sex, actually... more like "I was her first fascination" (or love, if you prefer to call it that way). "I was her first boyfriend". Face it, it is pleasant for us alpha males to be first in that department. Nothing sexist here since it's probably equally pleasant for girls to be first girlfriend of their BFs.
Mvass, Life ends, yeah. But you can't have another, unlike relationships. So your comparison is bad and unrelated.
My example with divorces IS related to the problem though - it just points out that "mature" relationships also fail often, so that shouldn't make you wait - there is no guarantee that your relationship started at the age of 22 will last a month, either.
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posted November 21, 2009 10:36 PM |
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City made his decission to talk to her about and now you butt in saing random nihilism stuff and forseing him suicide.
I didn't even mention suicide. That was Death. I just said that when the chance of ultimate success is very low, there's no point in trying.
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When I see your posts I picture an overprotective mother keeping her child from the scary world outside.
I've managed to avoid many of the pitfalls that other people of my age had fallen into. Now I'm trying to help somebody else do the same. Is that so wrong?
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posted November 21, 2009 10:37 PM |
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You guys are beyond help oO. Seriously.
@TheDeath
Ok so you want to tell me we should tell Carcity to not have a relationship because there is the 00000.1% (or make it 1) chance that the break up will cause him so much pain that he wants to commit suicide? S-U-I-C-I-D-E.... He's 14 oO for crying out loud! The worst case scenario is a breakup!! A break up is not the end of the world oO. He.will.not.kill.himself. But if you insist on your suicide argument... I bet you that a lot of people who wanted to commit suicide haven't done so because they've already had a bad break up before...
But would you even listen to yourself, please? You're talking about suicide... come on. Sure it's a possibility but god so is a plane crash if you board a plane but you still do it!
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If you already know that you'll hurt yourself if you'll fall down, what's the point of falling down to prove it?
But you don't know how bad it hurts, or why it hurts, or where the pain comes from, you won't really know. You'll just be an pathetic airhead sprouting his ridiculous theories that are all sooo logical in his head. But then again I guess you know that all too well.
Love and relationships aren't a thing you can figure out entirely. It's not not having to shoot yourself to know it'll hurt like hell. Relationships aren't purely rational. That's the part where you have to go out and live and fall down and get back up again. And there is nothing like getting back up .
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posted November 21, 2009 10:38 PM |
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@All of you, I have feelings for this girl, I just want to know if she feels the same way,if she does, I'll be very happy, if she doesn't then I'll get over it.
That's not the problem. Believe me when I say I've had and witnessed people being devastated out of early relationships.
But since I can't stop you, remember my words when it happens, and don't get so worked up over it. (most likely it won't last -- though to be fair there are few who do)
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posted November 21, 2009 10:38 PM |
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This is ridiculous, I'm out for now.
Hang in there City, I'm rooting here for you
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posted November 21, 2009 10:42 PM |
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This is ridiculous, I'm out for now.
Hang in there City, I'm rooting here for you
Me too City!! And I hope all that talk about suicide and the emo whining about "What's the point?!" hasn't brought you down. I think the subject has been pulled so far out of context that it's become obscene, really...
But still we're rooting for you boy !
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posted November 21, 2009 10:43 PM |
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We all are, even if mvass or Death seem more of bitter old men than I usually do 
Early relationships won't hurt even if you fail when you have a bit of distance towards the whole "love" concept. Like I do.
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posted November 21, 2009 10:45 PM |
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your comparison is bad and unrelated.
The more relationships you have, the less each is worth. If a guy's had a hundred relationships, he's not going to place much value on the hundred-and-first.
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there is no guarantee that your relationship started at the age of 22 will last a month, either.
Of course, but the likelihood is much, much higher. High enough to justify starting one, certainly.
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Relationships aren't purely rational.
With an attitude like that, no wonder they fail so often!
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posted November 21, 2009 10:47 PM |
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One of the most annoying things I've encountered is when you have to inform someone of the possible outcomes (like getting a "Why didn't you tell me before?" afterwards) only to not be taken seriously when you do. Sort of a catch-22, you'll fail either way.
Optimism never prepared man for disaster, that's for sure. Better to be over-prepared than to not be prepared at all.
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posted November 21, 2009 10:55 PM |
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I have been putting alot of thoughts into this for some time, and I have figured out several possible outcomes, most of them bad, but still, as long as there is a chance I'll take it!
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posted November 21, 2009 10:57 PM |
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Lmao at mvass resistance relationships are futile
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any Idea what to say?
My problem is you. You have a wonderful smile 
I am half joking btw.
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posted November 21, 2009 11:01 PM |
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The more relationships you have, the less each is worth. If a guy's had a hundred relationships, he's not going to place much value on the hundred-and-first.
Hey, that's something I just complained about at my dilemma thread yes this is right. But is it really wrong when it's not followed by the infamous "I love you"? For me not. I don't mind girls hugging, kissing or even having sex with boyfriends before me. I do mind them telling them how much they love them, though.
If anything devolves love, it's telling every person you enter a relationship with "I love you".
Those words mean so little after you've said them for the 12th, 20th or 60th time, each time to a different person.
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posted November 21, 2009 11:28 PM |
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I don't mind girls hugging, kissing or even having sex with boyfriends before me.
If you get into a relationship with someone who's had a lot of them, you'd be heading pretty quickly into the "boyfriends before me" category for someone else. 
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