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posted September 01, 2008 03:31 PM |
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Oh please, if you see it that way than you have serious problems
Are you sure you're not in quote wars with statements like this? Listen Ash, I could respond in kind, saying that you need "help" and you're "delusional" but where exactly will this go? It seems to me like you think such statements serve any purpose. They don't have any effect, none, and I won't play your game turning this into a childish flame war: "you are crazy" -> "no, you're crazy!" kind of thing.
Ok let me make myself clear. GL's quote did not mention OSM anywhere. You could just as well pick another forum. You were supposed to talk about what GL thinks about your forum, not provoke the OSM into it. And you were supposed to reply to his point. Comparing yourself to prove that you're guilty or innocent is a good thing but I'm afraid you don't understand how it works. If a criminal kills your family, you DO NOT kill his own family yourself (such as you praising the Tavern in this thread) if you want to be better or at least, not be guilty of the same things. Therefore, your arguments that the OSM praises itself compared to the Tavern have simply zero backup, since you fell in the trap yourself in this thread.
Besides when I said the OSM is in a bad condition, I said that SOME threads are in a bad condition. Also note that this is about arguing, not which forum is best. I am mature enough to admit flaws of the forum. Are you? It seems to me that what you accuse the OSM of, too many self-praising, is actually what you do, since you claim the Tavern is perfect, not one flaw, none. Therefore there is little substance in your original statements.
Also, if you can clear point out a "clear" provocation I have done it would make it better, than just claiming "I have subjective ideas" (which I presume you also mean stupid). Look at it like this: I could respond in kind, with the same stuff you throw at me, but where will that get us? (for the record, that will lead to a childish debate, but I am not going to fall into your provocative trap and reply with "your ideas are subjective and suck" kind of thing as you do)
Not to mention, it is you who mentioned the OSM yourself, dragging into the provocation, not our team. I have actually only made a self-criticism of the other side. You are the one who went out the boundaries of your forum. Unless you call a post made in response to a provocation, which only clarifies things (example: I did not say the OSM is superior in return as you have, I only commented on what you have posted about the Tavern! not adding something new to the Tavern subject!).
This isn't a competition of "My forum is so perfect, mwahahahaha". I am bold enough to admit both good and bad sides. Are you?
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And no, I haven't provoked anyone, and I didn't quote other's posts unlike TheDeath which immediately "attacked" me, as usual
No, you did provoke the OSM. Listen, GL's point did not include the word OSM, did it? If you start and say "I may be a bad member, but look at mvassilev" then you are provoking mvass to share his point and defend his position. It seems clear that you have stepped outside your Tavern forum self-criticism which was the intention of this thread.
BTW are you sure you're calm with the '' things? and bold text 
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posted September 01, 2008 03:33 PM |
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@azagel
i think we should find a mutal topic for all the people here,and not let it happen just like Qoute wars,where everyone wrote everything,and half of the memmbers got ignored.
I say,lets Peacefuly Debate on:....H5 patch,is it really needed?
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pro·vok·ing (pr-vkng)
adj.
Troubling the nerves or peace of mind, as by repeated vexations: a provoking delay at the airport.
By mentioned some fualty done by Death,you provoked him to qoute your posts,therefore you did this in order him to count and make comments to your post.
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posted September 01, 2008 03:35 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 15:36, 01 Sep 2008.
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By mentioned some fualty done by Death,you provoked him to qoute your posts,therefore you did this in order him to count and make comments to your post.
Please look in my first post before TheDeath attacked me and point me where I provoked him. Thank you.
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BTW are you sure you're calm with the '' things? and bold text
Yet again this proves that you don't even read my posts carefully and that's why you always misunderstand my points. If you were more careful you would have read in that post at the start that I said that post doesn't count.
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posted September 01, 2008 03:36 PM |
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Asheera, calm down. I'm getting pretty tired of your constant deriding with TheDeath, this Includes, but is not limited to, your MSN rants.
However, I'm not here to rant about it (that would be very uncalm), but accusing Gl of this? This is not what Gadi would've wanted, he just wrote down that stuff, to make us argue. However, it's indeed YOU who deverted your attention to OSM instead, and that was your mistake. I know you didn't intentionally want to provoke and attack OSM (in the way TheDeath says you did), but in fact you DID. I hope you're not angry towards me for this, these are sadly nothing more than mere facts.
I hate to assault one of my own team members, but I hope you'll listen to me.
Sorry.
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posted September 01, 2008 03:38 PM |
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Hey guys, let's keep the calm arguing calm. 
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antipaladin
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posted September 01, 2008 03:40 PM |
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What Death meant here :
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I don't like how this goes. Ash seems to provoke the OSM on something which the subject was not about. I didn't even comment one bit about the Tavern's flaws. And frankly I'm not even going to do it simply because this is supposed to be calm arguing. Suffice to say that the Tavern has attacked the OSM without any prior provocation by the OSM, but rather by GL's quote. Not to mention, this is supposed to be calm arguing -- Ash post is clearly a provocation for the OSM members to get in the "fight" but I will not attempt to do so.
Is this:
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More than any other fora the otherside is inparticulary dependant on it's participants. If you want to stay true to the ideals mentioned above you need participants who are able to reason. Why?
It is quite simply. No other fora comes anywhere close to the level of confrontation which we have in the otherside. Confrontation itself isn't a bad thing at all! It is by conflicting ideas that we are able to learn and develop.
Of course we have confrontations in other fora but the core difference (which gives the othersides it's temper if you'd like to call it that) is that they are not real life issues and will therefore never atain the level of seriousness any subject in the otherside has (when it is still unstained by unreasonable mass fights). And that is exactly why the participants need to be reasonable. Conflicting views require a healthy attitude towards discussing and explaining your point of view if not a discussion will turn into a "fight" which is far from any positive affect you ever wanted to achieve in the first place.
Unfortunately (as TheDeath has already explained) the othersides level of discussion has declined dramatically. But to abandon this forum simply because there is bad discussion going on? Not adequat if you ask me. Every poster has the responsibility to be reasonable when posting in general but it is of unmatched importance for the otherside. It is not the othersides fault that the level has declined.
He took this as a strike,thought you just mentioned your opinion,both warent needed to do this,therefor i should win,maybe along with azg
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TheDeath
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posted September 01, 2008 03:41 PM |
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Please look in my first post before TheDeath attacked me and point me where I provoked him. Thank you.
No I did not attack you, I defended the position of the OSM because YOU provoked it. What did you expect no one to reply from that team when you speak about them? (of course you did NOT provoke a certain MEMBER, but rather the team/forum OSM  )
By the way Ash, I think every post matters, you can't have "this post doesn't count: it's a quote war!" in a game and besides, in normal situations it would get deleted (if it's off the point, which is, calm arguing)
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posted September 01, 2008 03:45 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 15:46, 01 Sep 2008.
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Asheera, you fail to get Death's point. Gl directed the OSM phrase to the OSM-team, thus making anyone who is not from the OSM-team who comments on a Provoker. You certainly did want to provoke, I don't doubt your intentions. Unfortunatley there are fact, adn the fact point out that you DID provoke them, as you reacted and attacked to a quote, you should've attacked to.
EDIT: Was this calm enough?
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Asheera
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posted September 01, 2008 03:50 PM |
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Sheesh, if two people commit a crime and only one is accused of it, when he tries to defend his position by showing that the other one also murdered but was not attacked, this is called provocation? Maybe it is, but it isn't fair to accuse only one "criminal" in the first place
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antipaladin
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posted September 01, 2008 03:56 PM |
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death didnt provoke,nor did he attacked you ash.
You stated your opinion.
This hurt deeath,he has every right to defend himself,yet instead he choose the defend of :"Im way better then ash,so i wont say anything"
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posted September 01, 2008 04:01 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 16:02, 01 Sep 2008.
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Asheera, calm down. I'm getting pretty tired of your constant deriding with TheDeath, this Includes, but is not limited to, your MSN rants.
Dude you're deriding with TheDeath as well oO. And MSN is completly unrelated now isn't it?
LOL!!! Asheera vs. Everybody, TheDeath vs. Reason, Lexxan vs. Asheera and now me suddenly defending Asheera oO (oh and of course me vs. Lexxan xD)!!! I LOVE THIS THREAD!! What a mess xD.
EDIT: Now being completly serious again (----> very serious expression)
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antipaladin
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posted September 01, 2008 04:02 PM |
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Wait,did you just called me Reason Azg? Yay
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posted September 01, 2008 04:03 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 16:11, 01 Sep 2008.
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Dude you're deriding with TheDeath as well oO. And MSN is completly unrelated now isn't it?
Correct on both two point. I'm annoyed with Death as well, but in this case Asheera is the one who's incorrect, and if he fails to understand this, this will reside in more uncalm arguing. and indeed MSN is unrelated, but they argue there as well, and that annoys me as well (if not even more).
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Sheesh, if two people commit a crime and only one is accused of it, when he tries to defend his position by showing that the other one also murdered but was not attacked, this is called provocation? Maybe it is, but it isn't fair to accuse only one "criminal" in the first place
I'm angry with Death as well, but I accused you, since I hoped you would stop if you understood his point (and I thought and still think that was the problem).
But for starters, I don't think TheDeath should've attacked you either, it's not like anyone else would've cared about the provocation (including me) if you (you and Death) haven't dragged it all around the thread.
Let there be no misunderstanding, you both made mistakes and that has to stop.
As for now, I anticipate that you understood mine (and TheDeath's) point and consider this case closed.
CASE CLOSED.
Whatever
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posted September 01, 2008 04:17 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 16:36, 01 Sep 2008.
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I'm angry
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So many angry and mad smileys 
Am I the only one calm around here. Seriously?
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Wait,did you just called me Reason Azg? Yay
I don't think I'm against you anti (neither against Ash, please understand, I was only defending your posts related to the OSM).
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posted September 01, 2008 04:28 PM |
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no, im amused
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posted September 01, 2008 04:42 PM |
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TheDeath:
Nevertheless, the pro-choice people are going to agree on the ends, and so are generally going to try to help each other against the pro-life people, and vice versa.
All:
Let's get back on topic, please.
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posted September 01, 2008 05:13 PM |
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No, don't consider this a competition post. *sigh* I don't care, you can eliminate me from this competition anyway.
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Am I the only one calm around here. Seriously?
The first post on this page really shows how "calm" you are, using Capitals and bolded letters...
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(neither against Ash, please understand, I was only defending your posts related to the OSM).
If the following is not a personal attack then I don't know what is:Quote:
Ash post is clearly a provocation for the OSM members to get in the "fight" but I will not attempt to do so.
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Personally, I had absolutely no idea that it will end up like this when I wrote the first post, and neither in the Quote War competition when I was very "excited" to start it. But it seems every time TheDeath pops up and "talks" to me and my points, everything becomes a living Hell, and I get angry even in this calm arguing competition. Makes you really wonder who actually provokes in the first place around here.
TheDeath, just do me a favor, please, and ignore my posts from now on. I'm very serious, just consider that I post in a forum where you are not registered. Do you think it's the end of the world if you don't "correct" and "attack" everyone who doesn't share your opinion? I mean seriously, just look at you and mvass (which is the same), and see why you two are "annoying": you simply want to "correct" and "attack" everyone who is "wrong" in your eyes, and I think because you two don't share opinions (or very rarely anyway) that's why everything turns out into an endless Quote War between you two.
Just let it go and don't press the reply button next time, after you shared your opinion of course.
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posted September 01, 2008 05:16 PM |
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Just let it go and don't press the reply button next time, after you shared your opinion of course
best line in the convo 
@ Mvassilev: points aren't gained from the amount of Quotes
(Let there be no misunderstandings)
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posted September 01, 2008 05:22 PM |
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Asheera:
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I mean seriously, just look at you and mvass (which is the same), and see why you two are "annoying": you simply want to "correct" and "attack" everyone who is "wrong" in your eyes
I don't see what I do as "attacking". But if someone posts their views, that person should expect them to be discussed. Nothing wrong with that. And our discussions are long and fruitful. Quote Wars are a disruptive format of discussion, I'd say, but the idea of discussion and debate is good, and is actively exercised, as it should be. It is customary for one person to put their views forward and then for that to be discussed. It would be boring otherwise.
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Just let it go and don't press the reply button next time, after you shared your opinion of course.
No. That would kill the discussions. Every subject must be discussed to its exhaustion.
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posted September 01, 2008 05:22 PM |
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3 points require 3 quotes
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The first post on this page really shows how "calm" you are, using Capitals and bolded letters...
They are needed LOL, most people skip long paragraphs. It is quite silly that you attack this point now seriously. If I were to bold a phrase that was a repeat of what I said previously it would be considered "shouting". Unfortunately for you, your statement makes no sense what-so-ever. The only thing I bolded were a few words that required emphasis. Nothing at ALL to do with not being calm.
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If the following is not a personal attack then I don't know what is:Quote:
Ash post is clearly a provocation for the OSM members to get in the "fight" but I will not attempt to do so.
LOOOOL. Where did I actually attack you? I attacked your post, which was like Lexxan said, uncalled for, since it provoked the OSM. You can't seriously expect to talk about something and that something not to defend back if you talk about it? If you were to say "Look at mvass how bad he is first!" do you seriously expect him to ignore your post? If he replies to that he doesn't provoke you at all, he's just clarifying, ehm defending, himself. I was defending the OSM saying that what you said is invalid since you used it yourself (praise thing). Where is the provocation? I didn't even talk about the Tavern before you started with the OSM.
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Personally, I had absolutely no idea that it will end up like this when I wrote the first post, and neither in the Quote War competition when I was very "excited" to start it. But it seems every time TheDeath pops up and "talks" to me and my points, everything becomes a living Hell, and I get angry even in this calm arguing competition. Makes you really wonder who actually provokes in the first place around here.
First post by me, completely unrelated to you. Your post about the OSM was uncalled for. If you don't want me to get into it, then don't provoke our team or me directly and keep to your subject.
And don't compare this with the Quote War, it serves no purpose, if you can't tell the difference, then you're living in the past.
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