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infinitus
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posted December 27, 2008 02:45 AM |
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Wyngaal, i challenge you
Need opponent to play as Wyngaal on 2m vs me. Show me the imba !  Have problems to find opponent playing Wyngaal as start hero  Willgefors says it's not good on all maps ... ChnVimp says - anytime on Genesis, on 2m he is again Havez vs me ...
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 27, 2008 07:09 AM |
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So if I get Wyngaal.... who do you get? Let me guess? Ossir? Havez? Haggash? Dougal? Or you go all random? If you go all random.. I accept your challenge.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted December 27, 2008 07:25 AM |
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 27, 2008 11:18 AM |
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Wyngaal is supreme power, no ? So, i will use maximum power vs him And i don't go random hero anyway ... Today i play Haven, tomorrow, i don't know yet.
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 27, 2008 07:43 PM |
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Anti imba replay Havez (Infinitus)-Wyngaal (Insatiable). Wyngaal ability is nice, but creep speed is low. Conclusion - week hero Challenge is still open ...
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted December 27, 2008 08:13 PM |
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Weak argument. You used a creeping hero in a hard creeping map, it's clear that it favours earlygame heroes as you probably knew after so many games on it. Think about it for a moment, another sylvan hero save maybe Ossir would not have fared better. Only logical conclusion is that medium creeping factions are at disadvantage and therefore that your template is not balanced. So picking your favourite strong heroes is the key towards a shallow victory.
In any case strength of heroes is tied to the map, while Wyngaal is arguably one of the most broken heroes he doesn't have to be so in this one.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 27, 2008 08:22 PM |
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To Elvin
Wow, super imba talk - broken heroes, imba map, imba factions, all imba
Need replay i play Wyngaal on 2m, maybe you want to try vs him Elvin ?
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 27, 2008 08:22 PM |
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I dont have 1 game with Wyngaal so can accept it....just 2 rules.
1. no Instant travel.
2. You cant use native WM hero for main or we will restart how much need to get for second ossir 
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 27, 2008 08:52 PM |
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To Elit
Wyngaal is banned hero, WM heroes are not banned. I don't understand, WM heroes are more imba compared to Wyngaal ?
Anti imba replay is anti imba if no rules used before game... So no rules ... I can accept reverse challenge, i Wyngaal, opponent WM hero ...
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 27, 2008 09:07 PM |
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To Elit
Wyngaal is banned hero, WM heroes are not banned. I don't understand, WM heroes are more imba compared to Wyngaal ?
Anti imba replay is anti imba if no rules used before game... So no rules ... I can accept reverse challenge, i Wyngaal, opponent WM hero ...
RMG and custom map are very different. On RMG you cant get 1 free lvl. Here WM heroes are most strong because can creep most easy from begining. For race like Sylvan best start hero is ossir for his elf bonuses. In custom maps You can get few lvls almost free so its change alot all creeping.
So far i can try if we dont use Instant Travel. One more loss is not big problem
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 28, 2008 07:40 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 07:51, 28 Dec 2008.
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Just give it up... Infinitus is a lost cause... no matter how much we try to explain it to him... he keeps trying to make his case with same power heroes blah blah.. He ONLY knows how to play/win if he uses a Power Hero. His game is LINEAR! His ability in game over all is LIMITED to his CRUTCHs( I didnt say training Wheels )
Elvins previous post said it best.. The reason you like 2m soooo much.. is because you figured out early how to exploit the map while using your power heroes. Bottom line.. if you was truely skilled at the game in general you could win on almost any map.. going all random.
I am seriously not trying to flame you or attack you infinitus... just getting old seeing you post replay after replay with same power heroes and making challeges with obvious advantages to you and acting like they are all balanced and good.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 28, 2008 09:11 AM |
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To Jinxer - paranoia at maximum power
Game in progress with Elit (Wyngaal), his creep talent just amazing, he is at least equal to progress i maid wiht Havez in this game, i hope will be nice final battle ...
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Just give it up... Infinitus is a lost cause...
Never give up, coming soon many, many anti imba replays, nothing impossible
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Elvins previous post said it best.. The reason you like 2m soooo much.. is because you figured out early how to exploit the map while using your power heroes. Bottom line.. if you was truely skilled at the game in general you could win on almost any map.. going all random.
You don't understand ? I not random hero player, i don't want to be random player ... Exploit ? As i say i will play vs Wyngaal, and with Wyngaal to avoid lame accusation like this ...
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted December 28, 2008 09:39 AM |
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Guys, what is the matter lol? Leave Infi alone. Don't forget that for a game to occur, TWO players must agree on its setup. If there is agreement then the allegations from side watchers are simply out of place!
Also, i have developed further respect to Infi for ability to calmly answer over and over again to the same accusations flying over from all sides. Shouldn't we be glad to have such a tolerant player among us?
And last but not the least, instead of just forwarding rock-throwers to places below earth, Infi still bothers and invents several ways to prove his skill. His challenges are fair and even in the favor of opponent! The single drawback is condition to play on RMG only. Come on, TOHers, accept this knight's gauntlet and commence a battle instead of forum polluting! 
White holidays to you!
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 28, 2008 01:40 PM |
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Thanks, holidays is white
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted December 28, 2008 09:47 PM |
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Confucius says... He who raises hand constantly should expect to be called upon!
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 28, 2008 10:43 PM |
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Replay Havez (Infinitus)-Wyngaal (Elit) ... Early game - Elit creep skill just amazing, Wyngaal was up to pair with Havez this time ... Middle game - was very dangerous time for Havez, i spent 40.000 gold to buy artifacts from shop, found on map second academy town... Invested all gold, resources in this town to build... No real army long time, only creep party... If Elit attack me middle game, he won ... But Elit banned instant travel, in my opinion this prevented him to be fast ... Late game - i found Sylvan neutral town on map, i was surprised to see Elit not get it at this late time, again may be no instant travel deed his job ... The rest is in the replay ...
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted December 28, 2008 11:04 PM |
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See! He raised his Hand again!! And still doesnt know the correct answer!!
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted December 29, 2008 09:59 AM |
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You're all grown ups aren't you? Man you never fail to amaze me .
Anyways... you've all played heroes for a looong time haven't you all? So a statement like
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In any case strength of heroes is tied to the map
should make perfect sense to you, right?
Now this is about Wyngal right? Now Wyngal is broken when you have lategame, right? Having 4-5 Sylvan units chargeing on your first turn with luck and favoured enemies doesn't really leave you with much to retaliate with, right?
Now... how can one in good conscious believe that beating Wyngal in midgame is proof that lategame Wyngal isn't broken? It isn't reasonable. And actually this should be pretty obvious. But yeah some of you are really cute^^.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 10:58 AM |
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Replay Havez (Infinitus)-Wyngaal (Elit) ... Early game - Elit creep skill just amazing, Wyngaal was up to pair with Havez this time ... Middle game - was very dangerous time for Havez, i spent 40.000 gold to buy artifacts from shop, found on map second academy town... Invested all gold, resources in this town to build... No real army long time, only creep party... If Elit attack me middle game, he won ... But Elit banned instant travel, in my opinion this prevented him to be fast ... Late game - i found Sylvan neutral town on map, i was surprised to see Elit not get it at this late time, again may be no instant travel deed his job ... The rest is in the replay ...
Your army was x2 biger (2 native towns vs 1)from my so here heroes not decide much. I need few games to learn m2 temple. For sure Wyngaal is not bad for main 
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted December 29, 2008 11:08 AM |
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i dont think this fight above is qualifying for a good reference of how beatable or broken is wyngaal. I'm pretty sure that Elit himself admits that his army was below half of his opponent so the battle is not relevant. It seems like academy was at least 10 days ahead and partially this is due to the start . What can wyngaal possibly do about it in creeping? giving an ini bonus to sprites and few dancers? to kill what with them? on the other side , w/m and throng of gremlins walk in a park. one side struggles and chooses very careful fights and the other just marches. For this reason THE MAJOR FLAW IN RMG IS THAT U CANNOT SET A TOWN LEVEL ABOVE 2 FROM INITIAL SETTINGS, to give a chance for magic races in a map with no wells or any army support for their weak creatures.
So mostly RMG is might oriented, this is what cripples the game. if sylvan with no archers bonus is having a hard time, why dont you look at inferno with few imps or dungeon with 7 scouts and no mana, what can they do?
RMG is like lottery in the beginning , and the first 2 weeks are decisive
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