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Mamgaeater
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posted January 03, 2009 05:48 PM |
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Erm.... you get to download their games from their website like a week after it has been released 
And you dont understand. You only have to pay one monthly fee. The monthly fee is shared between all Blizzard games.
You wont need 10x monthly fees, there is only one.
One monthly fee to rule them all.
And the monthly fee wont get expensiver then it is now.
the problem is what if you like starcraft 2 but not their other games?
in this case you are screwed. although it is a pretty good business strategy (play our other games for discounts) it can be inefficient. if blizzard were to come out with more games or make battle.net cover more games even those outside of blizzard then it would be better.
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xerox
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posted January 03, 2009 05:49 PM |
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I personally dont understand how 12 euros can be so much in other countries, its nothing here and shouldnt be in other developed countries either
I can afford it myself
An average swedish kid gets 3x as much money as the monthly fee each month plus the child benefit I gain in one year.
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posted January 03, 2009 05:50 PM |
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An average swedish kid gets 3x as much money as the monthly fee each month plus the child benefit I gain in one year.
Food? Electricity bill? Internet bill? Phone bill? Mobile phone bill? etc?
That is, excluding any other 'income' which I would assume, would be used for getting new stuff (like paying the ACTUAL game itself).
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posted January 03, 2009 05:52 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 17:54, 03 Jan 2009.
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Apparently, 11.5 million peoples doesnt have any problem with it at all.
Your comment doesnt make any sense. I dont pay it myself, one of my parents do (they are divorced) and she has no problem with it.
Still, we travel atleast 2 times a year to some warm foreign country and we can still do lots of activties, even if we lose 2 McDonalds meals a month.
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xerox
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posted January 03, 2009 05:54 PM |
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And you dont need to pay for games either
Either you download it from pirate bay or something or you download it legally from the Blizzard sites.
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posted January 03, 2009 05:57 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 17:57, 03 Jan 2009.
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Apparently, 11.5 million peoples doesnt have any problem with it at all.
including those who suicide because of it right?
no problem at all.
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I dont pay it myself
Because you pay for WoW. Wasn't that my point? All your income goes to WoW and you actually could not afford all those bills because you WASTE it all on WoW. Not everyone has parents or other people to pay for them.
Oh and you may not pay for the games, but you will need to pay for a new computer upgrade or a new TV or clothing or whatever else.
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posted January 03, 2009 06:02 PM |
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I'm of the opinion that it's actually easier for us students to pay for things like WoW because we don't have to worry about anything else.
I know people who have gone to college and literally been unable to play WoW. We don't have to pay any of the bills or buy our own food, so $15 a month is a lot less to us. $15 a month for 12 months can buy you a lot of stuff.
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Erm.... you get to download their games from their website like a week after it has been released
And you dont understand. You only have to pay one monthly fee. The monthly fee is shared between all Blizzard games.
You wont need 10x monthly fees, there is only one.
One monthly fee to rule them all.
And the monthly fee wont get expensiver then it is now.
No, I do understand. I am worried that this is going to set a precedent, and other companies are going to do it, and I am going to have to pay them to play online too. Blizzard is not the only game company, you know. 
Plus, why should I pay for things I don't need? If all I wanted is to play DotA, why am I paying for WoW, SC, SC2, DIII, etc? Does that seem fair? I don't think so. 
A $7 McDonald's meal? Which McDonald's are you eating at? I can get a Mickey D's meal for $2-3. Eating for two full days (no matter how bad it is for you) isn't exactly something to laugh at.
In fact, assuming you have running water at home, you can get a cheeseburger, fill a glass with water, and have a decent lunch for $1.
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Cepheus
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posted January 03, 2009 06:11 PM |
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I personally dont understand how 12 euros can be so much in other countries, its nothing here and shouldnt be in other developed countries either
Sorry that not everyone has 12 euro a month to spend on a video game. I know I don't anyway.
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xerox
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posted January 03, 2009 06:27 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 18:40, 03 Jan 2009.
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I meant that my mum pays WoW and we still do lots of things. It doesnt affect us.
But we do have very agressive polar bears here, so almost all our money goes to build fortfied walls around our house 
And there are 3 people that have died, and those were idiots. Do you really think that WoW is the only game people have died because of? Hell, those that died (they did not suicide wtf -.-) have even got tributes in-game to them.
It is just beyond me who people think a 12 euro fee for 6 games is expensive... (the games are Warcraft 3, WoW, Starcraft, Starcraft 2, the upcomming next-gen MMO and Diablo 3).
Also its obvious that EA etc will copy Blizzard and also have monthly fees. Monthly fee = profit.
Plus Blizzards next-gen MMO needs much money to be developed, and thats pretty much the reason they do this.
Its a good deal for both customer and Blizzard.
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DagothGares
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posted January 03, 2009 06:38 PM |
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Warcraft 4, WoW, Starcraft, Starcraft 2, the upcomming next-gen MMO and Diablo 3
Don't make me laugh.
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xerox
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posted January 03, 2009 06:39 PM |
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opps a typo, I obviously meant Warcraft 3
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SwampLord
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posted January 03, 2009 06:50 PM |
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I meant that my mum pays WoW and we still do lots of things. It doesnt affect us.
But we do have very agressive polar bears here, so almost all our money goes to build fortfied walls around our house
And there are 3 people that have died, and those were idiots. Do you really think that WoW is the only game people have died because of? Hell, those that died (they did not suicide wtf -.-) have even got tributes in-game to them.
It is just beyond me who people think a 12 euro fee for 6 games is expensive... (the games are Warcraft 3, WoW, Starcraft, Starcraft 2, the upcomming next-gen MMO and Diablo 3).
Also its obvious that EA etc will copy Blizzard and also have monthly fees. Monthly fee = profit.
Plus Blizzards next-gen MMO needs much money to be developed, and thats pretty much the reason they do this.
Its a good deal for both customer and Blizzard.
Let's get this out of the way, right now.
It is not a good deal for the customer, in any way. I don't want to be shelling $15 out a month to four different game companies! That's $60 a month! The customer has a good deal right now, where you don't pay for online in anything but MMOs generally. That's what I call a good deal.
Also, I laugh at any claims that Blizzard "needs money". 11.5 million people play WoW, god only knows how many other people have bought it but stopped playing. Starcraft has sold incredibly well. Warcraft III has sold very well. Starcraft 2's probably going to sell millions in the opening days, and thanks to the 3-campaign system and the inevitable expansion, that's going to get milked for all it's worth.
Blizzard DOES NOT need money. Period. And I don't want to pay for SC2, SC, DIII, and WoW, if all I want to play is DotA. Blizzard is removing my choice, and setting a disturbing precedent in the PC games industry, and I object to that. A PC and games costs enough already, making us pay for the "right" to continue playing those games online- no thank you.
I can only hope that this fails miserably.
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xerox
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posted January 03, 2009 06:54 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 18:57, 03 Jan 2009.
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What do you mean?
Blizzard reported that there were 11.5 million active accounts just like a week ago or two
When WAR was released, Blizzard losts 500.000 customers, yet 80% of them returned.
Also you dont get the Starcraft 2 thing. There are two expansion packs, one is focused on the Zerg (Heart of the Swarm) and the other one on the Xel'naga/Protoss/Hybrids (Legacy of the Void).
Obviously, those two includes new units etc.
Why wouldnt Blizzard need money?
You know it costs much to hold all their servers up in addition of creating there next-gen MMO which probably is Universe of Starcraft.
edit: What does this say to you? http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/081121.html
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SwampLord
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posted January 03, 2009 07:03 PM |
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First off: I do get the Starcraft II thing. Supposedly, it's broken up into three solo campaign chapters, from all I have seen. Those "chapters" are all compatible online with each other, again from what I have seen. This implies no new online units. That implies an expansion like Brood War, after all three chapters have been released.
Secondly, saying Blizzard needs to charge you monthly for all their games is what I said they don't need money in response to. Perhaps I should have been more accurate; they don't need more money. They've sold a ludicrous amount of WoW, a ludicrous amount of SC, they will sell a ludicrous amount of SC2, and that's not even considering their other games. They don't exactly need more money to develop another MMO; their games outsell probably just about any other PC developer by a massive margin, and they're probably the richest PC gaming company by far right now, EA maybe excepted because of the tons of crap they churn out. (although RA3 was good and I liked C&C3).
When I refer to WoW players who have stopped, I mean people who have bought the game and payed Blizzard for some time but stopped playing in the last couple of years, of which there are undoubtedly many, and that's another $50 or so in Blizzard's pocket for each person at a minimum, right?
My main point is, this seems to just be a way for Blizzard to milk even more money from it's customers, and I really, really don't like it. I don't enjoy being forced to pay for things I don't want.
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posted January 03, 2009 07:10 PM |
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The problem about monthly fees in this case are for what games.
Battle.Net tends to be nothing more than a place to actually get people to play costum maps with, and a place to share maps. Atleast it is for War3 TFT.
For WoW: You pay for holding up the server, the added contect that comes with patches, and i think it was someting more to. The only problem i got with WoWs markeding model is the fact you will have to buy the game, and then pay for an working account. I liked a other model better, the one where you can freely acuire the game but you pay the monthly fee.
Eve Online uses this last time i checked
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posted January 03, 2009 08:06 PM |
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He is kidn of right,12 euros(20$) isnt much for a game u like and enjoy.Id rather play Lineage2 then WoW,much more real and fun as for me.And those kinds of games are sooo addictive,i know friends and other ppl lvl up their heroes and if their r good you can sell them for really good money that would pay off ur all monthly fees.
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xerox
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posted January 03, 2009 08:30 PM |
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No, Blizzard has said many times that the core game (Wings of Liberty) has two expansions which is like Brood War with many new units.
You dont just get a +30 mission campaign which is focused on the Zerg/Protoss.
Its exactly like Hammers of Fate and Tribes of the East in H5.
Me and my friend have played since late 2005 (although I did have a one year long break, and so did my friend).
My other friends have played it since TBC (early 2006).
I know a lot of people that still play and when WotLK was released, its pretty obvious that lots of former players returned to the test the expansion (which is awesome).
WoW is not losing players, its getting more and more.
I dont care if Blizzard are milking money. There games are still just as a great, if not better then before.
I cant wait for Starcraft 2 and my dad dreams of Starcraft 2 on the nights lol (he liked Starcraft 1 a lot) ^^
Fortunaly, he usually plays singleplayer (or against me) so he can probably skip that monthly fee.
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posted January 03, 2009 09:03 PM |
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For the record, I pay only 3 euros for my mobile phone bill. You can imagine how much 12 euros is (comparatively).
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posted January 03, 2009 09:41 PM |
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Good for you then.
I dont care about if other people cant afford an online game, so lets leave this discussion and go back to the thread.
What do you want for Warcraft 4? Races etc
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SwampLord
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posted January 03, 2009 10:35 PM |
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IMO the only way to do it is kick it a hundred years into the future and start there.
Any other way and it will conflict with WoW. Let WoW have its own timeline, and reboot the Warcraft RTS ones to start a LONG time in the future.
Ideally, I'd like to see something other than "burning legion, noes!" as that will get a bit stale, but I'm at somewhat of a loss as to what else they could do.
Perhaps set it in Outland and see what the Blood Elves are up to after a hundred years?
As far as races:
Keep Night Elves
Keep Human
Keep Orcs
Change Undead (make them forsaken, not scourge, better story ops)
Add Demons? (if BL must be in story)
Add Naga, for sure
And possibly add Blood Elves in some capacity as they no longer have ties to the Human Alliance.
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