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posted March 15, 2009 06:55 PM |
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So... much... text...
I'm 10 000 years before the first Warcraft game now...
Right now, it feels just like I first thought it was, a whole bunch of ideas just piled together to form something that kinda looks like a story... arrgh.
But the thing that annoys me most so far is still the names...
Like Malfurion... yeah, sounds cool. But Malfurion Stormrage? Feels childish...
*continues to read*
Save yourself and don't bother, you will feel tired for a month after that.
It's hardly anything of interest I have to admit.
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posted March 15, 2009 06:58 PM |
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People had names like those before the use of family names.
Ivan the Cruel, Edward Longshanx, Erik the Red etc.
Yeah I agree, WoW( and to some extent WC3) really butchered the athmosphere of the earlier WarCrafts. If you read the lore you see how dark the world of warcraft really is. WoW makes does no honour to it by being all light.
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DagothGares
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posted March 15, 2009 07:01 PM |
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Yes, watercloset three (finally, I said it out loud) was dark and then came WoW... 
Also, what point were youaddressing with those names, joonas?
(longshanks just means long shins, by the way )
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Adrius
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posted March 15, 2009 07:01 PM |
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Sure, those names existed. But their names are Elvish! Malfurion Stormrage!
Malfurion = Night Elvish
Stormrage = English!
It annoys me! I would've bought it if they had an elvish last name that the humans (or whatever) translated later... but this just annoys me.
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JoonasTo
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posted March 15, 2009 07:07 PM |
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Well it's stupid. Ever thought that maybe they don't have an elvish language to use for translation? not everyone is cut out to be a language builder like Tolkien was. 
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DagothGares
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posted March 15, 2009 07:08 PM |
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Well, then, why do they use these random vowels and consonants to describe their elvish language?
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Adrius
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posted March 15, 2009 07:09 PM |
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Anyone can come up with single words like Stormrage, I could call it Maethel or something, sounds elvish. it's making sentences that is hard cuz then you have to come up with grammar and stuff.
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posted March 15, 2009 07:10 PM |
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@ lex: There's a reason behind that...
O-sounds (like in Morgoth, Sauron, the word 'war') are very threatening and dark sounds, for instance
Sauron was indeed "invented", the name is derived from Mordoer's black speech. Morgoth means "Black Enemy" in Sindarin or Quenya.
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Cepheus
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posted March 15, 2009 07:13 PM |
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Okay, it's fine to attack Warcraft's lore, but really... picking on character names isn't exactly the most valid argument against its lore.
I mean... "Tom Bombadil"... "Bilbo Baggins"...
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Adrius
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posted March 15, 2009 07:20 PM |
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I actually like the story of the High Elves so far. I don't know why... maybe it's just because I feel such a relief after reading about Night Elves for so long...
It's getting better that's for sure, but the fact that the foundation of the story (titans and stuff) is so uninteresting makes me a bit worried.
Reading on...
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posted March 15, 2009 07:35 PM |
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I agree with you xerdux errr, Xerox. I too am a closeted Tolkien hater. NO MORE! No more shall I hide my disregard for this so-called genious! No more shall I pretend to like that gawdawful set of movies.
I just re-read my previous paragraph and it sounds like sarcasm. It's not.
I really don't like Tolkien
I'm not really sure if I should bother to explain why, considering this is the wastelands...
okay I'll just copypaste xerdux's reasons, because they're pretty close to my own
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I hate his writing style, the story is kinda of lame (good VS evil...), much of the background story is also lame
In closing, I found this short bit more entertaining than all 3 movies put together. At least the parts I saw when I wasn't sleeping.
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posted March 15, 2009 07:38 PM |
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Seriously, who has greater imagination that Tolkien? Who has such writing ability? To have created so enthralling an epic-romance, with its own mythology, with such diversity of scene and character, such imaginative largess in invention and description, and such supernatural meaning underlying the wealth of incident is a most remarkable feat. To call it rubbish is somehow hard to understand. But to each his own 
I criticize it because I have created a far bigger universe myself. It's NOT hard. You just need a lot time and thinking. No, I'm not joking.
Who has greater imagination? Ohh, come on. Take Vladimir Nabokov, for instance. His writing style is insanely rich, his psychological style of writing - incredible. I know they wrote different stuff and we shouldn't really compare them, but to me, making a big world with lots of languages, races and customs is NOWHERE as hard as portraying ONE pedophile in a way Nabokov did. I can do the first, bah, I already did, but I can't do the second - too complex
Dagoth, I have a proposition. Read the Witcher It's not the best story around, but try it. Then, compare the psychological development of Geralt and Froddo. Compare the dirty,sticky, murderous and TRUE war of the witcher saga to Tolkien's epic, clean and honorable war. Which is more moving? The one that covers rapes, disease, betrayal, torture, burning villages by marauders, politics, corruption and a universal thought that the soldier is just a pawn on king's chessboard, sacrificied whenever necessary without a moment of hesitation ?
Is the childish "orc slaughter" of LOTR better? Oh, please.
LOTR is too clean, too shallow. It sometimes seems childish, like Eragon, but the language is too hard for kids.
{edit by pan} QP applied out of fear that FoG with use more vision stealing assaults on me should I not comply. And ah yes, funny stuff
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posted March 15, 2009 07:41 PM |
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^ YEAH, everything he said!
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Adrius
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posted March 15, 2009 07:45 PM |
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*Continues to rant about Warcraft*
Ok ok ok! Enough reading! I've read enough!!
... *calms down*
Ok, I have to admit it was better than I expected, Blizzard has made a quite deep story that actually appealed to me. (Occasionally)
I do feel however, that the games' atmosphere fail to make justice to this story...
Do note that I've only read the background story, that is, everything before Warcraft 1 so I do not know just how the story developed from then.
Overall, apart from the quite boring Titan creation thingy I have nothing against this story. But I'll never play any warcraft game.. .at least not with the way they look now.
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DagothGares
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posted March 15, 2009 07:46 PM |
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God, I have to read and read and read...
First twilight to see it's bad, then something from Anne Rice to compare, then the sorrow of belgium, then little John for Dutch, then animal farm for english, now the witcher, I'm dying here!
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posted March 15, 2009 07:46 PM |
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And another thing. If you want to show evil, you have to back it up with something. Something MOVING. Not the cheesy "he wants to rule the world", or "he killed 3087527 elves". That is not evil - it's kindergarden.
Evil MUST be dirty to seem and feel EVIL. It should be twisted and the more complex the motives are, the better. LOTR has the most shallow evil around - just another power-hungry maniac, evil because he's ... well.. evil.
The BEST books to me are those who go BEYOND the childish, predictable good and evil. Those who show that good and evil is relative. That you sometimes aren't sure anymore what is good and what is evil. Where the differences between good and evil are separated by a thin, red line.
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Vlaad
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posted March 15, 2009 07:46 PM |
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Nabokov? Naughty, naughty Doomforge... 
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posted March 15, 2009 07:47 PM |
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Well yeah, Lolita is my favorite book
But hey, it's not related to my obsession with 15-16 yo girls, no way!
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posted March 15, 2009 07:52 PM |
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Actually, Sauron was an angel once who wanted to create a perfect world and was seduced with this ambition by Morgoth, but it's not about that. It's not about evil in LOTR! It's about the journey of the main cast to change something. To face corruption and dirt to come through in the end.
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posted March 15, 2009 07:53 PM |
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And another thing. If you want to show evil, you have to back it up with something. Something MOVING. Not the cheesy "he wants to rule the world", or "he killed 3087527 elves". That is not evil - it's kindergarden.
Evil MUST be dirty to seem and feel EVIL. It should be twisted and the more complex the motives are, the better. LOTR has the most shallow evil around - just another power-hungry maniac, evil because he's ... well.. evil.
The BEST books to me are those who go BEYOND the childish, predictable good and evil. Those who show that good and evil is relative. That you sometimes aren't sure anymore what is good and what is evil. Where the differences between good and evil are separated by a thin, red line.
lol, I hate to keep copypasting but this is so great I could have written it myself.
I'm going to ask Pan to boot this to the tavern...
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