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posted May 31, 2009 11:15 AM |
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Oh, I meant idol as in "American Idol 2010" not Idol as a religious "artifact" or "image" (so, what are atheists "religious" artifacts? microscopes, a photograph of Mars?).
As for Darwin, I thought 99% of the world agreed with hes ideas. Its so obvious. Even as a super duper hyper über-religious person you can combine hes ideas with your faith.
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posted May 31, 2009 11:32 AM |
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As for Darwin, I thought 99% of the world agreed with hes ideas. Its so obvious.
Ironically I can sign that 99% of the world believes in Darwin not because they truly understand each aspect of his theory but because "it's so obvious", just like it was obvious in the middle ages that the world is flat or that God exists.
Not that I don't believe in evolution, mind you.
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posted May 31, 2009 12:06 PM |
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About Darwin's theory.
Have you read the book of Adnan oktar?
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posted May 31, 2009 01:36 PM |
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The dude that claimed that Darwinism and Jews, and not religious fanaticism, are the true cause of terrorism?
There was that book where he claimed that the holocaust was actually "some Jews dying because of the typhus plague and starvation caused due to the defeat of the Germans" and that the prime mission of the Jews and freemasons was to destroy the Turkish people...
A great man with a great vision.
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posted May 31, 2009 05:15 PM |
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I think it's time I entered the fray (armed with the legendary leek of nonsensicality)
to quote Karl marx
"Religion is the opiate of the masses"
who says you can't enjoy the opium whilst it lasts, eh?
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posted May 31, 2009 05:19 PM |
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Holy smockes where did YOU come from?! Haven't seen you in ages oO. Going to stay for a while?
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posted May 31, 2009 05:30 PM |
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maybe, but back to the discussion
what I am saying is that religion is a distraction, nothing more, nothing less. Some people can find great hope in that distraction, for others is a one way ticket to annoyance and failure. the distraction can over whelm you or it can be a forgettable part of your life.
for those who try and convert others to their distraction are so into it that they think others will. some people die for the distraction, or try and kill people for the distraction, it is all about how far you are in to distracting yourself.
what are we distracting from, going back to the opiate of the masses quote, we are distracting ourselves from our normal everyday life in this capitalist life. Alienated from your fellow man, killing excitement for efficency of production, all this drives people to distraction, be it drink, drugs or religion (deity worship?) as a form of escapism.
oh, and as for the toe-rag who claims that christians do no wrong, look at the Crusades, look at the Witch hunts, look at Nazi germany (hitler confessed to being christian), and more recently, look at what's happening in Ireland, children being abused by members of the faith, mentally, physically, and sexually, for 60 years!
Religion, nice idea, open to horrific abuse.
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posted May 31, 2009 05:36 PM |
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Religion, nice idea, open to horrific abuse.
Like, what idea isn't?
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oh, and as for the toe-rag who claims that christians do no wrong, look at the Crusades, look at the Witch hunts, look at Nazi germany (hitler confessed to being christian), and more recently, look at what's happening in Ireland, children being abused by members of the faith, mentally, physically, and sexually, for 60 years!
You missed Stalin.
Wait, he was an atheist 
You see, I'm starting to think Elodin is right here. People always accuse him of using this stupid argument (which I agree it's stupid) but almost everytime it is someone else who starts the stupid argument.
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posted May 31, 2009 06:01 PM |
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oh, and as for the toe-rag who claims that christians do no wrong, look at the Crusades, look at the Witch hunts, look at Nazi germany (hitler confessed to being christian), and more recently, look at what's happening in Ireland, children being abused by members of the faith, mentally, physically, and sexually, for 60 years!
You missed Stalin.
Wait, he was an atheist
You see, I'm starting to think Elodin is right here. People always accuse him of using this stupid argument (which I agree it's stupid) but almost everytime it is someone else who starts the stupid argument.
I'm not saying that christians are entirely to blame for everything bad that happens in the world. Ideas are open to abuse, look at Stalin and communism, Hilter and natural selection, Bush and democracy, I'm merely stating the christian ones.
do you want me to include osama bin laden and islam?
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posted May 31, 2009 06:54 PM |
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The ironic thing about Stalin (and several of his associates) is that many of them were in training to become priests. 
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oh, and as for the toe-rag
Ah, an atheist fulll of himself and devoid of knowledge and civility. No, what is useless is atheism. Atheism has contributed nothing but pain, suffering, and death to society. So I would say it is atheists who share your anti-Christian views who are toe-rags.
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who claims that christians do no wrong, look at the Crusades, look at the Witch hunts, look at Nazi germany (hitler confessed to being christian), and more recently, look at what's happening in Ireland, children being abused by members of the faith, mentally, physically, and sexually, for 60 years!
It seems your reading comprehension skills are somewhat lacking. Perhaps you should consider getting a tutor.
I have never claimed Christians do no wrong. I have said that Christians do no murder. The Bible defines who is a Christian, not you. Not everyone who claims to be a Chrisian is. Jesus said that a person who does not build his life on the Word of Christ is not a Chrisian. A Christian is incapable of murder. Jesus taught us to love, pray for, and do good to even our enemies.
I'm not Catholic but I do know the percentage of pedophile priests in Catholicism is lower than the percentage of pedophiles in the general population.
If you would do a little research before you ran your mouth you would see that pedophiles try to get jobs where they will be working around children.
Recently there have been a number of public school teachers who have been convicted of sex crimes with the children they teach. Are you so foolish as to condemn all public teachers for the actions of a few (copared to the total number of teahers?)
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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Yes, there are been godless men who have pretended to be Christians who have committed evil acts. Jesus predicted there would be false believers. Wolves in sheep's clothes.
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Religion, nice idea, open to horrific abuse.
With atheism being the most abusive of all of course. At least according to the corpse count.
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for those who try and convert others to their distraction are so into it that they think others will. some people die for the distraction, or try and kill people for the distraction, it is all about how far you are in to distracting yourself.
From what little I have seen of your posts it appears you are an atheist evangelist. Pushing your religion and trying to convert others to it.
Oh, Hitler was not a Christian. Publicly he claimed to be one but his private writings showed his hatred for Chrisitanity. According to the CIA Hitler had the goal of destroying Jews, Christianity, and capitalism. Since you quoted Marx and are attacking Christianity I would say you share at least 2 of those goals.
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The book Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944, published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. (1953), contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, Hitler's Table Talk: 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity [is] the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, snows? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... [here he insults people who believe transubstantiation] .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise." (p 278)
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The ironic thing about Stalin (and several of his associates) is that many of them were in training to become priests.
Stalin forsook everything Christ stands for if he ever knew anything about Christ at all. Stalin was not a Christian and sought to impose atheism on the people.
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posted May 31, 2009 11:34 PM |
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So I would say it is atheists who share your anti-Christian views who are toe-rags.
Its anti-religious in this case you tweet. Do not confuse agendas, its a bad habit.
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I'm not Catholic but I do know the percentage of pedophile priests in Catholicism is lower than the percentage of pedophiles in the general population.
Its equal to the rest, going by logic.
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If you would do a little research before you ran your mouth you would see that pedophiles try to get jobs where they will be working around children.
But he did, but he never mentioned numbers either. Or % in contrast to the rest of the population. So its a flawed flame.
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With atheism being the most abusive of all of course. At least according to the corpse count.
Read the guys post, please? Because you are not.
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Stalin forsook everything Christ stands for if he ever knew anything about Christ at all. Stalin was not a Christian and sought to impose atheism on the people.
And who are you to claim that?
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posted May 31, 2009 11:55 PM |
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Elodin:
While Hitler was certainly anti-Christian, he was not an atheist - he was a pagan.
And, now that you mention it, there are similarities between Christianity and Communism. For instance, both preach self-sacrifice.
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And, now that you mention it, there are similarities between Christianity and Communism. For instance, both preach self-sacrifice.
That would be more like "satanism" and "communism" (let's for the sake of the argument, assume that communism=soviet regime). Considering how Stalin got to power, the story can be easily made analogous to the story of fall of Lucifer 
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So I would say it is atheists who share your anti-Christian views who are toe-rags.
Its anti-religious in this case you tweet. Do not confuse agendas, its a bad habit.
Tweet? What are you, a coo-coo bird?
Actually he made a number of ludicrous staments attacking Christianity.
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Its equal to the rest, going by logic.
Actually, you are wrong again.
Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy. This figure, cited in the book Pedophiles and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia. In the recent Boston scandal, only four of the more than eighty priests labeled by the media as "pedophiles" are actually guilty of molesting young children.
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/ReligionTheology/HistoryofChristianity/American/?view=usa&ci=9780195145977
http://www.geocities.com/okc_catholic/articles/10myths.html
Pedophiles and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia. In the recent Boston scandal, only four of the more than eighty priests labeled by the media as "pedophiles" are actually guilty of molesting young children.
http://www.journalismcenter.org/jcommunity/sexoffendercharacteristics.htm
Pedophiles are perhaps 3 percent of the [general] population and at least 90 percent are men. Sexually abusive behavior may be linked to testosterone.
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And, now that you mention it, there are similarities between Christianity and Communism. For instance, both preach self-sacrifice.
Nah. Communism and atheism go hand in hand. Look at all the atheist tyrants who imposed atheism in their communist countries.
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posted June 01, 2009 04:47 AM |
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Communism and atheism go hand in hand. Look at all the atheist tyrants who imposed atheism in their communist countries.
Nevertheless, communism and religion alike suppress an individual's rational thought and seek to subjugate him to others.
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posted June 01, 2009 09:38 AM |
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ladies and gentlemen, a man into his distraction
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oh, and as for the toe-rag
Ah, an atheist Full of himself and devoid of knowledge and civility. No, what is useless is atheism. Atheism has contributed nothing but pain, suffering, and death to society. So I would say it is atheists who share your anti-Christian views who are toe-rags.
I am not anti-christian, I support a man with a distraction as much as the next. what I am is a man who hates people who insist that their distraction is better than anyone elses and seeks to make his point clear through intolerance, force and ignorance (you fall under the first one, by the way)
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who claims that christians do no wrong, look at the Crusades, look at the Witch hunts, look at Nazi germany (hitler confessed to being christian), and more recently, look at what's happening in Ireland, children being abused by members of the faith, mentally, physically, and sexually, for 60 years!
It seems your reading comprehension skills are somewhat lacking. Perhaps you should consider getting a tutor.
I have never claimed Christians do no wrong. I have said that Christians do no murder. The Bible defines who is a Christian, not you. Not everyone who claims to be a Chrisian is. Jesus said that a person who does not build his life on the Word of Christ is not a Chrisian. A Christian is incapable of murder. Jesus taught us to love, pray for, and do good to even our enemies.
I'm not Catholic but I do know the percentage of pedophile priests in Catholicism is lower than the percentage of pedophiles in the general population.
If you would do a little research before you ran your mouth you would see that pedophiles try to get jobs where they will be working around children.
Recently there have been a number of public school teachers who have been convicted of sex crimes with the children they teach. Are you so foolish as to condemn all public teachers for the actions of a few (copared to the total number of teahers?)
A mans word can be misinterpreted, but still claim in the name of his lord.
yes, jesus taught it, but look at Bible camps, Christian organisations with christian teachers and christian ideals, and yet claim that witches, like harry potter, should be killed.
to define murder, you first need to define what is human. What do you think as human? in my view, it's someone who can walk and talk and think about more than when it's next meal is.
I am not codemning catholic priests (hell, my local reverend is a very nice bloke who goes rock-climbing on saturdays) but these actions of a few have been allowed to go on for 60 years with the churches knowledge and nothing was done about it. these priests were meant to be looking after orphans and children with disabilities. I saying that no-one is above scrutiny because "they are christian," or "they are muslim". special status of certain creeds and faiths is a foolish idea.
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Religion, nice idea, open to horrific abuse.
With atheism being the most abusive of all of course. At least according to the corpse count.
not religion abusing, but people abusing religions words to further their goals. any concept is guilty of the same. communism, religion, martial law, democracy, capitalism, freedom of speech, censorship, all are open to abuse. Religion has simply been the longest running philosophy, and thus, most open to abuse. I'm not just saying christianity, I'm saying every religion.
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for those who try and convert others to their distraction are so into it that they think others will. some people die for the distraction, or try and kill people for the distraction, it is all about how far you are in to distracting yourself.
From what little I have seen of your posts it appears you are an atheist evangelist. Pushing your religion and trying to convert others to it.
Religion is an opiate of the masses
who says we can't enjoy the opium whilst it lasts?
I'm not converting others, I am saying that religion is a distraction. that doesn't mean its a bad thing. a healthy distraction is good for the soul and for the mind. everything in moderation.
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Communism and atheism go hand in hand. Look at all the atheist tyrants who imposed atheism in their communist countries.
Nevertheless, communism and religion alike suppress an individual's rational thought and seek to subjugate him to others.
The religion of atheism ceretainly does oppress rational thought and seeks to subjugate others.
However, Christiainity does not. Chrisitianity teaches that religion can't be imposed on anyone. Christianity is a matter of the heart. No one can force another to actualy become a believer.
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I am not anti-christian, I support a man with a distraction as much as the next. what I am is a man who hates people who insist that their distraction is better than anyone elses and seeks to make his point clear through intolerance, force and ignorance (you fall under the first one, by the way)
YOU ARE A LIAR. I don't force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly hate no one and don't insist that everyone do things my way. You are the intollerant, hateful, and ignorant one.
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yes, jesus taught it, but look at Bible camps, Christian organisations with christian teachers and christian ideals, and yet claim that witches, like harry potter, should be killed.
Jesus defines who is a Christian, not you. Anyone can claim to be a Christian. They are not actually Christians unless they are following the gospel of Christ.
Now you claim that Christians are saying witches should be killed is another false statement.
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to define murder, you first need to define what is human. What do you think as human? in my view, it's someone who can walk and talk and think about more than when it's next meal is.
So you are saying that a person in a coma is not human and a person with alzheimer's is not human, a person in a wheelchair is not human, a mute person is not human, ect, ect?
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Religion is an opiate of the masses
What an ignorant statement.
An opiate disolves one's self control and opens one up to being controlled by others. That is a perfect description of Socialism/Marxism/Communism. The state knows all. The state tells you want to do for your own good. The state will take care of you. The state deserves all of your loyalty. The state is god.
However, Christ taught that our ultimate alliegence belongs to him. Not to an organization or mere human ruler. We are to obey the state only when the dictates of the state do not conflict with the commands of God.
Jesus taught us to reject man made opiates and controls and to surrender to God's will which brings freedom and light. Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Atheism brings darkness and enslavement.
So saying that Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Atheism is an opiate of the people is a far more accurate statement.
Christianity teaches that our rights come from God, not from the state. That makes Christianity very "dangerous" to those godless "isms" that teach the state is all and that all must bow to the state. This is why those who follow those "isms" continually bash and try to discredit Christianity.
Supremecist thoughts come easily to the "ism" religions who are convinced everyone else is walking around in a drug induced stupor, not realizing their own brain has bee fried on the "ism" opiates.
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Actually, you are wrong again.
Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child)
Pedophilia do not mean sexual abuse of children, it means to like as children(do NOT get tempted to abuse my lack of words).
Basically: Pedophilia != the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child
It is the wrong term, since being pedophile just means you got a thing for children.
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Nah. Communism and atheism go hand in hand. Look at all the atheist tyrants who imposed atheism in their communist countries.
And look all those Christian regimes where the exact same thing happened?
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