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posted May 29, 2009 04:41 PM |
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Nah, Jesus said he is the Lord only of those who obey him. No murderer has the life of God in him.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Jesus say different to those guys hanging on a cross with him that day he died?
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posted May 29, 2009 06:23 PM |
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Nah, Jesus said he is the Lord only of those who obey him. No murderer has the life of God in him.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Jesus say different to those guys hanging on a cross with him that day he died?
One of those robbers repeented and Jesus forgave that one. I'm not saying that a person can't go from being a murderer to a believer.
I'm asying a Christian can't just up and start murdering people. It is not in him to do such a thing.
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posted May 29, 2009 06:44 PM |
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Is it really that easy?
Committing a homicide, regret, turn into a believer...all good.
What is interesting for me in such a case is the following:
As far as I have understood "God's words", the main idea of life on earth is to prove if someone is worthy to "go to heaven".
Some have much time, others have lesser time to prove their worthyness (is that even a word?). Due to illness, accident, or due to murderers.
Everybody has the chance to regret what he has done in his life and turn into a "good guy". At least this is what our priest always told us in church and in school.
But what chance has a homicide victim, if he wasn't that good in his life up to that point, but already started to change his mind about God and all that. But now this murderer comes a long, shoots him to death and takes away all chances for the victim to show he could be a good believer. The victim will probably end "in hell"
On the other hand, the murderer turns into a strong believer during his time in jail and regrets all bad things he has done. The murderer will probably end "in heaven".
Life isn't always fair, we know that.
But death isn't fair either...that's new...
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posted May 29, 2009 06:50 PM |
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But what chance has a homicide victim, if he wasn't that good in his life up to that point, but already started to change his mind about God and all that. But now this murderer comes a long, shoots him to death and takes away all chances for the victim to show he could be a good believer. The victim will probably end "in hell"
I'm not exactly going to say that I KNOW this since I will have to use my own 'interpretation'. Notice that it isn't the action that matters but the thoughts. If you start to imagine that once you leave this world, you leave time as well, into something different (which I have NO IDEA about), it may become able because a timeless universe makes no difference between past and present and future, so 'thinking' or 'regretting' happen at one point, hard to imagine (I can't), if you are HONEST about it of course (you truly regret it, not just for kicks).
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On the other hand, the murderer turns into a strong believer during his time in jail and regrets all bad things he has done. The murderer will probably end "in heaven".
If he is honest, yes.
If he wants a free ticket to Heaven out of fear, I'll tell him one thing: if you believe in Hell and Heaven and God, you should also know, you can't cheat God (who knows your thoughts anyway).
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But death isn't fair either...that's new...
Shh now I'll not be able to play poker anymore 
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posted May 29, 2009 07:17 PM |
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Is it really that easy?
Committing a homicide, regret, turn into a believer...all good.
No, there must be true repentance. God can see the heart. Repentance is not a matter of "regretting because you got caught." It is seeing yourself for who you are and being truly sorry for what you have done. Acknowledging that you were wrong and resolving to change with the help of God. Obviously the theif on the cross had no opportunity to change his life but he did have a change of heart.
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posted May 29, 2009 09:42 PM |
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No, Christians did not do the inquisitions or witch hunt. By the way about 25 withces died in the witch hunt.
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*about 20.000-6.000
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I don't recall the number in the inquisition. Maybe 3000.
Still performed by fanatics in the name of Christ.
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But Christ never authorized his church to kill in his name or to punish sinners for sin.
But they still did it in the name of Christ, as a organised religion.
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Nah, American would have carried the day.
If Japan had moved straight to annexing USA after taking down Pearl Harbor they would likely have taken over the entire land within 2 years, thats the chance atleast. Do not get me started over the "what could have hapend?", because its an almost infinetiv line of things that could have happend. Quite the fact.
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Nah, democracy has nothing to do with any belief fo gods, spirits, what is holy, sacred, ect. A political system can't be a religion.
Athiests in America have demanded to have a say in every religious holiday and sued to be recognized as a religion. The Supreme Court said they are a religion.
But thats "only in America"(funny expression), do not forget that there is people in the USA that has attempted to sue god. There is even a place where they elected a dog to mayor.
But there is no collected organized democraty, thats for certain. There is no collected organized atheist religion, but there is big groups similar to political parties. And do you recognize agnostics as a religion or a belif?
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You mean the people who like to trhrow insults my way and then get mad if I hold up a mirror? Some pepole think Christians are supposed to be a doormat and are used to abusing others. When people start accusing Chrisitnas of this and that I point out what atheists have done and they get rather angry it seems.
But the problem are in what way we are pointing flashlights and mirrors.
You point at someting thats not a real group, all disagree, most are not even atheists but either minorly religious, or agnostics. The same can however be said about quite the bunch of people trough history, so i guess its a flawed argument.
The only real non-flaw about is that you can only say atheist for the 200 last years, agnostic is equally old to faith itself.
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posted May 30, 2009 04:49 AM |
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No, Christians did not do the inquisitions or witch hunt. By the way about 25 withces died in the witch hunt.
I only got 2 numbers on it:
*MANY!
*about 20.000-6.000
First, like I said, Christians didn't do the killing. And your numbers are off. To say there were 20,000 or 6000 witches in colonial America shows you and your source have no clue about the population of colonial America.
http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/atheism-not-religion-is-the-force-behind-the-mass-murders-of-history/
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How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually, fewer than 25. Yet the event still haunts the liberal imagination.
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Still performed by fanatics in the name of Christ.
Performed by liars. According to Jesus they are not Christians. I already quoted those verses that prove that.
If a mass murderer kills "in the name of 2+2=4" does that mean mathematics is responsible? Please.
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But they still did it in the name of Christ, as a organised religion.
No, his church did not. Wolves in sheeps clotihing did. But atheism has oh so very very many skeletons in its closet.
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1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
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Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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If Japan had moved straight to annexing USA after taking down Pearl Harbor they would likely have taken over the entire land within 2 years, thats the chance atleast.
Nah.
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There is no collected organized atheist religion, but there is big groups similar to political parties. And do you recognize agnostics as a religion or a belif?
So are you saying that atheists in America are liars because they claim to be a religion and are not? Are atheists dishonest people? Is that what you claim?
And there are certainly atheists organized into churches and atheists who become "ministers."
http://firstchurchofatheism.com/
http://www.acfnewsource.org/religion/atheist_church.html
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posted May 30, 2009 05:20 PM |
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There is no collected organized atheist religion
wut?
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posted May 30, 2009 05:56 PM |
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Those "atheist churches" are nothing more than community organisations.
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posted May 30, 2009 06:36 PM |
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Those "atheist churches" are nothing more than community organisations.
same for other churches.
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posted May 30, 2009 07:52 PM |
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First, like I said, Christians didn't do the killing. And your numbers are off. To say there were 20,000 or 6000 witches in colonial America shows you and your source have no clue about the population of colonial America.
Colonial America? That area is very many miles away from the place we are talking about things happening.
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Still performed by fanatics in the name of Christ.
Performed by liars. According to Jesus they are not Christians. I already quoted those verses that prove that.
Still performed in the name of Christ. So you say that Christianity itself is nothing of a shell of liers? Or do you say that they are not Christians because they are not fitting your personal views?
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Nah.
I do guess this proves that we have a communication problem.
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So are you saying that atheists in America are liars because they claim to be a religion and are not? Are atheists dishonest people? Is that what you claim?
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There is no collected organized atheist religion
wut?
The meaning of my words is well messed away by translation i guess, what i point at goes by size and agreeing.
The church of Scientology is a cult, but it got religion status in USA for some ridiculess reason. Its a good example to attempt getting over the language barrier.
They are a religion in a way, but they are not a collected religion. Its very hard to figur to explain.
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There is NO atheist religion.
These atheist "churches" exist because it feels very comfortable for us to go on weddings, burials etc but not in a religious way.
We still like the old tradition because even though I might not connect Christmas/Yule with religion in any way, I still enjoy celebrating it (without anything religious ofc).
Its not like you say: "Oh let the great Darwin speak through us and teach us about evoloution! Praise Darwin! We must sacrifice for Darwins glory!"
Even though Darwin is my idol.
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posted May 31, 2009 01:13 AM |
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Just for the record, just so you know.. Vegetarianism, is not a religion. Thank you.. Thank you very much.
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posted May 31, 2009 01:59 AM |
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Its not like you say: "Oh let the great Darwin speak through us and teach us about evoloution! Praise Darwin! We must sacrifice for Darwins glory!"
Oh so religions are only about idols... I wonder what's in it for hinduism then?
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Oh so religions are only about idols... I wonder what's in it for hinduism then?
Good you asked  Hinduisme is just a kind of collective term for all the religions over there, they got most sorts of em too. All got reincarnation in common if i remember correctly, but Hindiusme itself is more than 1 religion.
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posted May 31, 2009 02:06 AM |
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I never said it was about idols.
I said that atheist churches are not religious and there is no atheist religion, so its not like we worship Darwin etc.
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I never said it was about idols.
I said that atheist churches are not religious and there is no atheist religion, so its not like we worship Darwin etc.
blue implies red.
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posted May 31, 2009 05:28 AM |
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Colonial America? That area is very many miles away from the place we are talking about things happening.
Huh? You mentioned the witch hunts in which less than 25 people were accused of veing withces in contrast to you saying 20,000 were killed for being witches.
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Still performed in the name of Christ.
So you are saying if a robber dresses up in a gorilla costume gorillas are guilty of the robbery? That is so funny!!!! 
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So you say that Christianity itself is nothing of a shell of liers?
No. Evidently you have a reading comprehension problem. I quoted verses that said such people are pretending to be Christians, like someone dressed up in a gorilla costume pretending to be a gorilla.
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Or do you say that they are not Christians because they are not fitting your personal views?
The Bible defines who is a Christian. I'm saying according to the Bible they are not Christians. Jesus said Christians are people who do what he siad to do. The Bible said no one who so much as hates another person is a Christian.
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There is NO atheist religion.
Atheists insist on things being true that they can't prove. Like "There is no God," "The universe produced itself," "Life produced itself from inanimate matter," "Man has no soul," "Only the material world exists," ect, ect.
Yep they are a religion. Atheists have a tremendous amount of faith.
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Its not like you say: "Oh let the great Darwin speak through us and teach us about evoloution! Praise Darwin! We must sacrifice for Darwins glory!"
You read his "holy writings" and take them by fait to be absolute truth.
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Just for the record, just so you know.. Vegetarianism, is not a religion.
It can be. If you are not eating animals because you believe all life is sacred and it is immoral to eat animals then it is.
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posted May 31, 2009 05:58 AM |
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there may be vegetarianism inspired by religion, but there is probably not much of any kind of religion inspired by vegetarianism..
anyways.. enough about animal rights from me at HC.. thanks
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posted May 31, 2009 05:58 AM |
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Atheists insist on things being true that they can't prove. Like "There is no God," "The universe produced itself," "Life produced itself from inanimate matter," "Man has no soul," "Only the material world exists," ect, ect.
Do you even remember what other people post? Do you?
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