|
| Thread: What Do You Really Know About The Bible? |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 · «PREV / NEXT» |
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
posted August 10, 2009 08:22 PM |
|
Edited by angelito at 20:24, 10 Aug 2009.
|
Quote:
Oh yes, things are getting to be quite knee-slapping hilarious. You are essentially claiming that a mathematician who lives always with the idea that "2+3=5" is an addict for having that belief every day and for allowing himself to use that concept in his daily calculations. And it seems that you claim that students are addicts for attending their weekly classes and reading their textbooks.
I'm guessing you are also saying an atheist is an addict since he lives every day with an atheistic world view and that world view certainly affects his daily activities. It would seem that according to the definition you have presented everyone is an addict, which renders the word meaningless.
I really would not call a thirst for knowledge,self improvement, and consistant behavior to be an addiction. Certainly not one that needs a cure. 
As Corribus already pointed out...your 2+3=5 is getting very old...and doesn't hit the point at all. Since when does a mathematician turn his WHOLE life around "2+3=5"?
Adn he also doesn't NEED a formula to be happy...while religious people can't be happy without either a bible, a church or at least a "daily" prayer.
And here is the difference..."daily"...regularly..
And of course our body is addicted to air, water, food, etc.....but this has nothing to do with MIND.
In opposit to religion
Your body doesn't need the bible to survive....
Edit:
It is prooven you can survive without religion, but NOT without water
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted August 10, 2009 09:25 PM |
|
|
Everything that makes us happy then is restricting our freedom. I mean we NEED it to be happy (I don't know anyone who is happy without doing anything, not even thinking). 
Religious dude: "I'm happy cause I read the Bible"
Atheist dude: "Blah. I'm more free than you, see.. uh I'm not happy I gotta do something while you read it to be happy."
Religious dude: "Doesn't that mean you NEED that 'something' too?"
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
|
posted August 10, 2009 09:41 PM |
|
Edited by Elodin at 21:44, 10 Aug 2009.
|
It is only getting old because it is truth you can't refute. You make up a little thing saying if an idea is a truth that fits into your daily life it is an addiction. But that is just silly, as I think i have quite clearly shown.
I interact with my wife every day does that mean I am addicted to her? It is quite a romantic thing to say, but still. I interact with my children every day. Am I addicted to them? I interact with my neighbors daily. Am I adicted to them? I speak several times a week to the postman. Am I addicted to him? Ect.
So you are saying that because I interact with God daily I am addicted to him? Mankind was designed to fellowship with God. There is nothing unnatural about interacting with God. In fact, it is abnormal not to interact with God. So I could say that atheists are abnormal.
And you haven't been answered MY questions at all. As for reading book, reading the Bible makes me an addict? Why? What if I were to read a biology book daily. Does that make me an addict to biology?
Do you watch TV daily? Does that make you an addict? Is being an atheist (or agnostic) every day make you an addict?
Lol!!! I've never heard it said that a person is addicted to air. I don't think you will get a medical doctor to back you up on that one.
You said my body doesn't need the Bible to survive. Quite right. However, a man is more than a body. That is a concept which atheists seem unable to grasp. The Bible is food for the human spirit.
A relationship with God is as natural as eating and breathing. It is vital for a normal healthy person. Yes, that means that I don't consider atheists to be normal healthy people. They are neglecting the spiritual side of life. They are taking no spiritual nourishment and so their spirits are tiny, shriveled things as it were.
I hope I haven't offended anyone. But were were talking about addiction and what is normal and abnormal for a human being and what a human being needs and whether or not God and his Word should fit into the daily human experience. For me, I am "addicted" to the truth, which seems to make some atheists quite furious.
If this discussion continues along such silliness as you propose I shall be inclined to think of Monty Python whenever I think of atheists! Hmmmm. Maybe atheists are just addicted to silly arguments?
Clicky
|
|
alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
|
|
posted August 10, 2009 09:57 PM |
|
|
Quote:
I hope I haven't offended anyone. But were were talking about addiction and what is normal and abnormal for a human being and what a human being needs and whether or not God and his Word should fit into the daily human experience. For me, I am "addicted" to the truth, which seems to make some atheists quite furious.
No, you are addicted to what you believe is the truth.
I happen to have a different belief. You don't consider me a normal healthy person for my belief, which I think is pretty narrowminded, but then, I can't help but lift an eyebrow when I read some of the statements you come up with, so maybe that evens out.
On the bottom line, when it comes to beliefs, we just have to accept that some have others than we do, and let it rest at that. There is no truth on the subject, so it doesn't make sense to argue about it.
Wow, haven't I posted this exact same things at least 5 times before in other threads?  Seems it always comes round to this in these religious threads.
____________
What will happen now?
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted August 10, 2009 10:04 PM |
|
|
Quote:
No, you are addicted to what you believe is the truth.
How does one get addicted to World of Warcraft or drugs or alcohol by "believing" in some "truth" (what truth?).
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
|
|
posted August 10, 2009 10:09 PM |
|
|
Actually limiting the spirituality to religious faith is pure wrong and...limited. The humanity, in seek for other worlds and cultures already sent Voyager for a long way through the universe, and it contains what the humankind believe being representative of his beliefs and spirituality:
« This is a present from a small, distant world, a token of our sounds, our science, our images, our music, our thoughts and our feelings. We are attempting to survive our time so we may live into yours. »
Voyager contains earth sounds, classic and contemporary music, literature, mathematics and pictures. Nothing about God or anything else related to religion.
If one day, the humanity is called to die, the only legacy to be shared with other worlds will contains absolutely nothing about God and other personal beliefs. An unhealthy legacy?
____________
Era II mods and utilities
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted August 10, 2009 10:16 PM |
|
|
No, and not only about religion, voyager wasn't sent by God. Thus, bias isn't unexpected.
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
|
posted August 10, 2009 10:21 PM |
|
Edited by Elodin at 22:25, 10 Aug 2009.
|
Quote:
No, you are addicted to what you believe is the truth.
Yes, yes, I am quite sure. Well, not really. What I believe is truth whether or not you think so. You lack of belief does not affect the reality of the situation.
You have faith that there is no God, but that does not make it so.
Quote:
I happen to have a different belief. You don't consider me a normal healthy person for my belief, which I think is pretty narrowminded, but then, I can't help but lift an eyebrow when I read some of the statements you come up with, so maybe that evens out.
Yet you didn't have a problem with me being equated to a drug addict because of my belief did you?
The problem is many atheists respect their own faith but not the faith of others. They feel quite justified in casting slurs towards other religions but let their own religious faith be questioned and they become offended.
Precisely why I had objected to being called an addict to begin with but then a moderator said it is ok to call religious people addicts.
Quote:
Wow, haven't I posted this exact same things at least 5 times before in other threads? Seems it always comes round to this in these religious threads.
And who introduced "addict" into the discussion? An atheist.
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted August 10, 2009 10:59 PM |
|
|
Before I start a rant about how ludicrous it is to call atheism "faith" - let's not forget the issue of this topis: WHat do you know about the Bible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a thread topic is called What do you really know about cars, it doesn't help to call the wise guy who knows everything about those wheels a car addict.
And allow me another remark: I really would like to see people openng a thread about how religion is a drug and makes addictive or how religion sucks or whatever, where critisizing of religion is on-topic, not just as a side notion in a thread like this.
This thread, is about the Bible and the things in it. Can we please come back to that?
|
|
Rarensu
Known Hero
Formerly known as RTI
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 08:25 AM |
|
Edited by Rarensu at 08:31, 11 Aug 2009.
|
I am so angry. 
I wrote and deleted several pages worth of ranting.
Then I wrote and deleted several more.
But there is no point. People don't change. Even killing them doesn't make them understand.
____________
Sincerely,
A Proponent of Spelling, Grammar, Punctuation, and Courtesy.
|
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 10:49 AM |
|
|
Quote:
You said my body doesn't need the Bible to survive. Quite right. However, a man is more than a body. That is a concept which atheists seem unable to grasp. The Bible is food for the human spirit.
For those who need it....
Quote:
A relationship with God is as natural as eating and breathing.
So is Heroin for a drug addict
Quote:
It is vital for a normal healthy person. Yes, that means that I don't consider atheists to be normal healthy people.
No I play Elodin's role: You call atheists unnormal and sick. In my eyes, this is a direct personal insult towards every atheist. How many penalties should I apply?
Quote:
They are neglecting the spiritual side of life.
Maybe because there is NONE?
Quote:
For me, I am "addicted" to the truth, which seems to make some atheists quite furious.
This is again the fault you are making Elodin, and why many users got upset with you: God is YOUR thruth!! Not THE truth! When you finally accept that?
Quote:
Maybe atheists are just addicted to silly arguments?
No, they are addicted to REALITY, while non-atheists like to close their eyes and live in imaginations (As weird as it may sound, but this is exactly how LSD seems to work I heard )
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 10:58 AM |
|
|
|
Nah, LSD is warping perception.
|
|
Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 11:03 AM |
|
|
Quote:
while non-atheists like to close their eyes and live in imaginations.
Don't you think you're generalizing a tiny bit too much there? And I don't think I need to comment on the LSD remark, do I?
I don't see how one can be a "non-atheist" and not be a perfectly rational person. Maybe you can tell me how "closeing our eyes and live in imagination" is a trait of non-atheists because I don't know.
____________
"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
|
|
Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 11:04 AM |
|
|
Quote:
No, they are addicted to REALITY
Try reading about Plato's Cave Analogy.
____________
We reached to the stars and everything is now ours
|
|
Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 11:07 AM |
|
Edited by Mytical at 11:07, 11 Aug 2009.
|
@Angelito some of us (ok maybe not me ) non-atheist do live in reality, just so you know. I reject your reality and substitute my own. 
____________
Message received.
|
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 11:53 AM |
|
|
Quote:
For those who need it....
Everyone needs food. Without spiritual food the spirit of an atheist looks like somebody living in famine conditions. While one receiving spiritual nourishment and proper spiritual exercise looks like Mr Olympia for example.
Quote:
No I play Elodin's role: You call atheists unnormal and sick. In my eyes, this is a direct personal insult towards every atheist. How many penalties should I apply?
You said it is ok to call religious people addicts. Addicts are not normal healty people. So I extrapolated that it is ok to say atheists are not normal healthy people. 
Quote:
This is again the fault you are making Elodin, and why many users got upset with you: God is YOUR thruth!! Not THE truth! When you finally accept that?
No, I did not create God, so God is not "my" truth. I belong to God, he does not belong to me. 2+3=5 even if you disbelieve it. So believing in God is believing the truth.
The thought that there is no God is no one's truth since it is not true.
Quote:
No, they are addicted to REALITY, while non-atheists like to close their eyes and live in imaginations (As weird as it may sound, but this is exactly how LSD seems to work I heard )
Unfortunately atheists are blind to spiritual realities and live in darkness while screaming "You blind idiot!" at everyone else.
I feel like Arthur battling the Black Knight.
Clicky
|
|
Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 12:01 PM |
|
Edited by Mytical at 12:05, 11 Aug 2009.
|
Elodin your annalogy with 2+3=5 is not accurate (and people have been trying to explain that). 2+3=5 is a universally accepted fact, while the Christian God is not. Would be more accurate to say x+3=5 because there is other 'Gods' in the formula. People are just as sure they are following the truth as you are that your are following the truth. Just because you think 2+3=7 does not make it 'truth' (this is what somebody who believed in a different god then you could claim).
Of course you are allowed to think anything you like, but 2+3 does not = 7. .
Edit : Also you are not anything like Arthur battling the Black Knight. Some here could easily say they are the Arthur and you are the Black Knight. Both sides are equally set in their way, and I still wonder why they bother hitting their heads against brick walls. Because neither side will give an inch.
____________
Message received.
|
|
Minion
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 12:17 PM |
|
|
I must admit that Elodin does remind the Black Knight
____________
"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
|
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 01:07 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Quote:
while non-atheists like to close their eyes and live in imaginations.
Don't you think you're generalizing a tiny bit too much there? And I don't think I need to comment on the LSD remark, do I?
I don't see how one can be a "non-atheist" and not be a perfectly rational person. Maybe you can tell me how "closeing our eyes and live in imagination" is a trait of non-atheists because I don't know.
Isn't that obvious?
Have you ever SEEN God? Have you ever SEEN the Holy Spirit? Have you ever SEEN eden? No? But religious people believe they "exist". So how can you make yourself a picture of something you have never seen? Exactly....IMAGINATION.
What's so wrong with that statement?
And I also don't see why the LSD comparison is such a bad one. It is not about the fact LSD is something BAD (but of course everybody is free to interpret things the way it fits best...), it is about the fact drugs like LSD (that's why they are called "hallocinogens"!) bring pictures in your "mind" which aren't really there.
And if the bible brings pictures in your mind which aren't really there, the effect is similar, right?
But that does NOT mean the bible is BAD and a kind of drug which should be against the law!
I just wanted to make that clear again before someone comes up with any kind of misundertsandable analogy....
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
|
posted August 11, 2009 01:21 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Quote:
For those who need it....
Everyone needs food.
Yep...but is a prooven fact you will die without food...
Quote:
Without spiritual food the spirit of an atheist looks like somebody living in famine conditions. While one receiving spiritual nourishment and proper spiritual exercise looks like Mr Olympia for example.
...while no one has ever proofen people without spiritual food die earlier or get sick easier.
And many good looking Mr.Olympias often turned out to be Mr. Doping
Quote:
You said it is ok to call religious people addicts. Addicts are not normal healty people. So I extrapolated that it is ok to say atheists are not normal healthy people.
A heroes 3 addict is NOT a normal healthy human being? Addiction is not always bad for your health....
Quote:
No, I did not create God, so God is not "my" truth. I belong to God, he does not belong to me.
Exactly...YOU belong to HIM....so it is YOUR faith...and YOUR truth. I do NOT belong to him.
You did not create your computer, but still it is YOURS, right? So something doesn't have to be created by anyone specific to be called HIS....
Quote:
2+3=5 even if you disbelieve it. So believing in God is believing the truth.
2+3=5, And Harry Potter is the reincarnation of Jesus, even if you disbelieve it So believing in Harry Potter is THE truth (or can you give evidence against that?)
Quote:
The thought that there is no God is no one's truth since it is not true.
Agnostics don't say "There is NO god", they say "I don't care". It seems very hard for you to understand, because it was mentioned pretty often nin this and in other threads.
Quote:
Unfortunately atheists are blind to spiritual realities
Contradiction. "Spiritual" and "Reality" have as much in common as Kate Moss and Sumo Wrestling
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
|
|
