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posted June 16, 2009 11:34 AM |
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That is assuming it is exactly like normal electrical charges. Under normal circumstances the chemical electricity of a person is not absorbed into the surrounding area. It normally takes a very traumatic or other severe event to produce 'ghosts'. Supposedly we only use about 10% of our brain capacity. My theory runs along this line.
Something happens (either traumatic or otherwise) that is way out of the ordinary. The people in the area (maybe one, maybe a dozen, and maybe only one of a million) are so affected by this that for a breif moment they gain access to parts of our brain that normally we do not have access to. In a instant (in most cases) this unleashes a huge ammount of 'energy' that the surrounding area absorbs. It is a psychic energy produced by the chemical electrical energy our brain naturally produces. Until something else happens this energy is dormant. Much like a generator that is turned off, no energy is being produced. When the 'switch' is turned on, that energy comes forth. Something like a recording being played, it reproduces the exact moment it was formed. Since it is a electrical 'memory' it reproduces the form it is familiar with.
And this energy would not be from those already buried. Those would have been dead long enough (normally) that they would not produce any energy anymore. No this would be from when they died or experienced whatever event caused the energy to be so massive that it was absorbed.
Now I realise that their are flaws in the theory, and that it would be almost impossible to test AT THIS POINT. You have to start somewhere, however.
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posted June 16, 2009 11:35 AM |
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@ Rarensu
I would first just like to have an answer to my question, before I answer to any conclusions you are jumping.
So: Why does it make sense to assume that primordial life possessed empathy and precognition from the beginning?
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posted June 16, 2009 03:25 PM |
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I have to say, I very much enjoyed the last few posts. Especially the part about atoms storing electricity to be later regurgitated as unhappy spirits.
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posted June 16, 2009 03:35 PM |
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Supposedly we only use about 10% of our brain capacity.
Okay, time to crush this myth were we stand. We only use ten percent of our brain on average. You can say: "Look at the possibilities if we can use more!" and then we can all jump around and zap eachother with force lightning and whatnot. I'll draw an analogy: Using 100% of your brain to perform actions is like using 100% of your keyboard while typing a sentence. Or do you need to use your the part that handles hand-eye coordination and our speech centre to solve math equations? Of course, we still barely know anything about our brain. I don't claim to be a scientist, after all.
Also, about plants and sentience, there's this experiment they executed once: on man walks around a table where two plants are stationed. Suddenly, he ravages one of the two plants, tearing it apart, ripping it from the soil. He walks around again... Every time the man passed by, the other plant gave a reaction.
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posted June 16, 2009 04:52 PM |
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Wow, the science in this topic is just impeccable. You should submit your findings.
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posted June 16, 2009 05:00 PM |
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Well, sorry, mvass, should I perhaps leave my linguistic studies and restart them with the focus on science, costing me an extra year or two?
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posted June 16, 2009 06:00 PM |
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posted June 16, 2009 07:00 PM |
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Mankind is doomed to destruction. Eventually technology will develop so much that we don't have to do anything but try to enjoy our lives. Then we start questioning our life and people go nuts starting to commit crazy acts like mindlessly killing people and justifying those acts with their own pointless ideologies.
We can already see the beginning, in school shootings for example.
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posted June 16, 2009 07:05 PM |
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That more has to do with alienation of mass society than developping recreative, medicinal, cultural and roductive technologies than anything. Of course, one caused the other, but don't tell me the kids shot someone just because they had too much spare time on their hands. Because, basically, what you are saying is that inside every human there is a murderer and that, if left to their own devices, they will start killing.
Well, maybe that says more about you than us, but still...
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posted June 16, 2009 07:24 PM |
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However, you miss an important point. If you can provoke a fear-like reaction in plants by INTENDING to do harmful things to them or something else - then this makes sense only if we interpret this indeed as a logical reaction CAUSED by an intention - which means that something within them realizes the meaning of the INTENTION. There is just no way round that.
Or "instinct". It doesn't have to *know* the intention, it could just as well "learn" certain PATTERNS (depending on data). That's why primitive organisms 'learn', because they associate certain patterns with a certain thing -- this association doesn't have to be intelligence in a brain or something, it could be a simple REACTION without having any "rational" result.
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Supposedly we only use about 10% of our brain capacity.
Okay, time to crush this myth were we stand. We only use ten percent of our brain on average.
Nope. We only use 10% of our brain at a time. This doesn't mean the rest gets unused, it just 'rests' in the meantime. CPUs do that all the time especially in laptops to not overheat. I guess if you could use 100% of your brain you'd just have faster thinking, or go crazy.
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posted June 16, 2009 08:19 PM |
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However, you miss an important point. If you can provoke a fear-like reaction in plants by INTENDING to do harmful things to them or something else - then this makes sense only if we interpret this indeed as a logical reaction CAUSED by an intention - which means that something within them realizes the meaning of the INTENTION. There is just no way round that.
Or "instinct". It doesn't have to *know* the intention, it could just as well "learn" certain PATTERNS (depending on data). That's why primitive organisms 'learn', because they associate certain patterns with a certain thing -- this association doesn't have to be intelligence in a brain or something, it could be a simple REACTION without having any "rational" result.
Death, I won't argue. You certainly will find no problem in imagining a primitive organism reacting by associating the clearly read intention to burn a leaf correctly with certain learned patterns by instinct.
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posted June 16, 2009 08:23 PM |
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Nope. We only use 10% of our brain at a time. This doesn't mean the rest gets unused, it just 'rests' in the meantime. CPUs do that all the time especially in laptops to not overheat. I guess if you could use 100% of your brain you'd just have faster thinking, or go crazy.
Read the rest of the post?
The rest is totally unnecessary for the actions you do. Of course, we can always agree to disagree. Or give me some of those sweet, sexy wikipedia entries.
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posted June 16, 2009 10:01 PM |
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Death, I won't argue. You certainly will find no problem in imagining a primitive organism reacting by associating the clearly read intention to burn a leaf correctly with certain learned patterns by instinct.
My point was, we don't understand emotions. Why would we understand this?
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posted June 16, 2009 10:29 PM |
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That more has to do with alienation of mass society than developping recreative, medicinal, cultural and roductive technologies than anything. Of course, one caused the other, but don't tell me the kids shot someone just because they had too much spare time on their hands. Because, basically, what you are saying is that inside every human there is a murderer and that, if left to their own devices, they will start killing.
Some kids (most likely not under age of 10 tho) will start shooting people.
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posted June 16, 2009 10:36 PM |
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That more has to do with alienation of mass society than developping recreative, medicinal, cultural and roductive technologies than anything. Of course, one caused the other, but don't tell me the kids shot someone just because they had too much spare time on their hands. Because, basically, what you are saying is that inside every human there is a murderer and that, if left to their own devices, they will start killing.
Why do you think most kids like violent video games or movies so much?
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posted June 16, 2009 10:44 PM |
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If your answer is: because they like killing and every person is evil inside, then maybe we'll never understand eachother
Anyway, i'll give you an honest answer:
The spectacle is nice, people like to see gigantic buildings being blown up and michael bay movies, if you want any reference.
People like excitement, because they want to feel SOMETHING in their greyish lives.
Kids are easily impressed with anything, especially taboo and EXPLOSIONS AND GUNS ZOMG!
And also not because they don't have too much time on their hands, because they take this over schoolwork any day of the week.
Though, both you and totoro hardly make a point, here...
I said: "technological advancement and exrea recreational time isn't what made these kids shoot people. They were alienated from society and depressed human beings. If you say that people will shoot people just because they have time on their hands, that means that everyone has a killer inside of them that's waiting to come out, according to you."
Death said: "Why do you think kids like playing violent games?"
totoro said: "Kids will hoot people."
Totoro makes an observation so he has no opinion. Death makes a vague statement also with no opinion, so lemme ask you two: "Do you think that the nature of man is killing eachother and that work is the only thing that stops us?"
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posted June 16, 2009 10:50 PM |
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Death, I won't argue. You certainly will find no problem in imagining a primitive organism reacting by associating the clearly read intention to burn a leaf correctly with certain learned patterns by instinct.
My point was, we don't understand emotions. Why would we understand this?
And I'd answer, no one understands YOU, so why would we understand Intelligence?
So what point do ou thinkyou have?
Needless to say - I'm with The Joker here, not with The Death.
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posted June 16, 2009 11:53 PM |
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Death makes a vague statement also with no opinion, so lemme ask you two: "Do you think that the nature of man is killing eachother and that work is the only thing that stops us?"
I think it is in our instincts (and I hate instincts mind you) to compete/kill/beat each other, because "nature" was designed to allow only the 'strongest' to survive (of course, it doesn't apply with humans much, but we haven't got rid of the stupid instincts yet). We are designed to discriminate.
After all, from nature's perspective, how would you pick which one is better among a specific trait? By discriminating against all other traits. That puts you in "fight" with them. Whoever wins is a win for nature's plan.
(take the above with a grain of salt ).
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posted June 16, 2009 11:58 PM |
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I don't want to put words in your mouth, but do you think the school shootings like the one in Finland and Columbine can be partly attributed to man's survival instinct? You said that man wants to compete and beat another man. Now, I haven't really noticed this. I did notice the will to dominate someone else by any means necessary with small children. Do you think this... Compulsion is just the destructive nature of man?
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posted June 17, 2009 12:03 AM |
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Saying so would grossly underestimate the complexity in our society. That doesn't mean that he had a small base because of it, or a push. Knowing nothing of the happening or the guy who did it pretty much seals my conclusion shut 
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