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posted June 21, 2009 03:11 PM |
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Too bad "telekinesis" violates just about every principle of thermodynamics.
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posted June 21, 2009 10:39 PM |
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Too bad "a plant" violates just about every principle of thermodynamics.
Also, Quantum Entanglement.
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posted June 22, 2009 01:10 AM |
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Too bad "a plant" violates just about every principle of thermodynamics.
Really? Explain.
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posted June 22, 2009 06:14 AM |
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Edited by Rarensu at 08:09, 22 Jun 2009.
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Law 2: entropy increases.
Plants decrease entropy. They bind free energy into chemical bonds and arrange molecules into nice neat patterns. And when they do this, they don't eject entropy into their environment to balance the enthalpy.
Also, Quantum Entanglement.
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posted June 22, 2009 08:25 AM |
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Some people have gifts if you will.
Sometimes wanted 7 sometimes they wish they never had them.
For examples dreams.
Some people can actually dream of occurance before it happens.
Some can actually see & smell death before it happens or after it happens in a dream.
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posted June 22, 2009 08:26 AM |
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Let's not get too involved into Thermodynamics. As far as I know the really "interesting" consequences and implications are valid only for closed systems and as far as I know we have no idea whether our universe is a closed systeme or not. Personally I think it's rather unlikely that it is (for me all evidence points into space-time as we know it being an open system).
Please consider the Bose-Einstein-Condensate as well with its macroscopic quantum effects.
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posted June 22, 2009 09:27 AM |
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I wonder what happens when you entangle two superfluids... ?
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posted June 22, 2009 09:42 AM |
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Some people can actually dream of occurance before it happens.
Yes, I do that all the time like I've said in other threads. 
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posted June 22, 2009 09:52 AM |
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Ah William you know it is just Deja Vu and your mind playing tricks on you right? /sarcasm  .
Since it can not be produced at will, most people just dismiss it. I guess I am as much to blame. Maybe they do have an open mind and I just can't see it.
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posted June 22, 2009 09:55 AM |
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I wonder what happens when you entangle two superfluids... ?
They'd build a superemulsion?
Err, by the way, Myrical, I answered that question of yours, but never got a reaction. What's the matter, was the answer not to your liking?
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posted June 22, 2009 10:00 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 10:03, 22 Jun 2009.
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As you said, you answered the question. I found the answer interesting actually. Wasn't sure of what to post as a reply..yet. I try to think out what I say (sometimes I am epic fail at this)  .
However, I do disagree with one thing and can make a reply to that...at least. This world (most of the time) is quite irrational..or at least the people in it are. Again, this is not the thread to debate religion, however.
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posted June 22, 2009 10:47 AM |
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Well, what I meant with the world working in a "rational" way is that there is a rational explanation for everything. Even if something is happening seemingly at random or in an irrational way there is an explanation for that randomness or irrationality.
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posted June 22, 2009 10:56 AM |
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About the aliens, I beliåve that there are live forms outside the Earth, somewhere in the Universe, but there are no UFO's, I mean alien UFO, since it means Unidentified flying object and it may be just plane or some natural phenomena. They never visited us, and they may be just bacteria...
It's very strange that I posted here, I'm tring to ignore the OSM since... 2007/2008, I don't like it... and because of my poor english most of my posts are sounding like nonsense Isn't that paranormal?
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posted June 22, 2009 11:00 AM |
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I would argue, however, that those explinations are imposed by OUR view of the world. There is also the matter of who decides what is rational and what is not, but that would open too large a can of worms. Lets be honest however. We are on a small speck in the universe, with limited understanding even of that speck. For some reason, however, many people claim to know how the entire universe runs.
We don't even know what is all in our oceans, but we can say for certainty that gravity, the speed of light, time, etc is constant in an entire universe? Sorry, that is not behaving...I'll get back to the topic.
Rational is good, I will be the first to admit. Heck, I'd prefer if the entire world made logical sense. It doesn't, unfortunately, though some try their best to convince themselves it does. Random events happen. Like somebody's breaks failing (or similar) for absolutely no reason. Personally I think the world is irrational, but we have to make sense of it somehow, so we put it in a little box. We call what is inside that box 'rational' and everything outside of it 'irrational'. Sometimes we get lucky and make sense of something else and put it in the box with everything else.
So people try to think 'outside' the box from time to time to make sense of things. It is not until they realise that the box is just a construct of our own mind and doesn't exsist at all that we really begin to make sense of things. Yeah..I know that doesn't make sense..maybe I am tired. This may get edited when I have time to reconsider it
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posted June 22, 2009 11:16 AM |
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I agree with JJ, the world is rational I mean just look at this - the ice is lighter than the water with something like 0,001 (I'm not sure for the 0's), why? Because is HAS TO float, why? If it sink it's going to kill the creatures on the bottom. Thats just the simplest proof I can give. But there is not "rational explanation for everything", I can't agree here.
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posted June 22, 2009 11:39 AM |
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We are talking about different things here. Humans may do a lot of things "on impulse" or whatever, so that you may have trouble finding a rational explanation for their behaviour, but that hasn't got to do anything with the "rational explanation" I mean here.
Random things happen, but there is a reason why they can happen. Furthermore there will be things that CANNOT happen, no matter what, because they are impossible to happen.
The universe MUST be governed by certain laws or basic axioms or whatever you'll call it, because if it wasn't, it couldn't be stable - it would change and shift, dissolving itself due to instability or paradoxons and contradictions, since what was possible in one moment would be impossible in the next and vice versa, resulting in chaos and dissolution.
While there will CERTAINLY be things that can never be PROVEN beyond any doubt to be this or that way, true or false, even THAT will be explainable. And while it may be difficult to find the explanation there will be one for everything.
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posted June 22, 2009 11:48 AM |
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Event Horizon...where time does NOT run as we expect. Of course this is just conjecture. While vast shifts are very unlikely and you may be correct, it is the smaller shifts that might mess all our calculations up. For instance something slowing light down even a fraction of a second (each second squared) can put off the calculations of how far a star is away by hundreds of thousands of miles.
Do I think humans have a good grasp on things? Yes. I am not trying to bash anything or dismiss it, but shed a different light on it.
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posted June 22, 2009 12:27 PM |
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Umm, as far as I know distance measuring is done with pulsars. There is a relation between the frequency of pulsation and theit absolute brightness. Because there is a relation between relative loss of brightness and distance, with those three you can measure distances in space - without those pulsars it wouldn't be possible.
It hasn't got anything to do with the speed of light.
Secondly, it makes no sense to speculate about what would happen beyond the event horizon, because that would make sense only if you could come up with a direct link between black holes and possible effects on things you witness.
In any case, true, there are lots of white areas on the maps of our knowledge, and part of the known areas are still within a certain frame of uncertainty, so lots of things are possible. However, those things have to be explainable as well - there is no reason, for example, to assume a completely "law-free" dimension within a black hole.
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posted June 22, 2009 12:30 PM |
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This is why I am glad you and Corribus are around. I will add this information to my knowledge base. Thank you. (About pulsars). Last I knew things like the distance to the sun was calculated by how long it took for light to travel from it. I admit when my knowledge is flawed
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posted June 22, 2009 12:56 PM |
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You may ignore me, but you know that according to the physicist and it's laws there should be no flying insects, but there are.
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