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mvassilev
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posted June 23, 2009 08:26 PM |
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BOTH DO APPLY.
1) You own the CD and the stuff on it.
2) You do not claim that you are the creator of the work.
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del_diablo
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posted June 23, 2009 08:30 PM |
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There is a reason fan subs of various anime states: "This is a free fansub, if you payed for it you got cheated/ripped off/fooled."
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mvassilev
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posted June 23, 2009 08:32 PM |
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Well, you are an idiot if you buy something that you can legally get for free.
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TheDeath
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posted June 23, 2009 08:35 PM |
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BOTH DO APPLY.
1) You own the CD and the stuff on it.
2) You do not claim that you are the creator of the work.
just.. 
nice word tricks though. I thought you were a bit more serious.
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del_diablo
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posted June 23, 2009 08:36 PM |
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Well, you are an idiot if you buy something that you can legally get for free.
We still buy water bottles do we 
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mvassilev
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posted June 23, 2009 08:41 PM |
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Death:
Think of it like this. You buy a programme. Now you own it, right? You can resell that CD. So, if intellectual property is abolished, why couldn't you do that with a CD with a copy of someone else's data?
del_diablo:
With the quality of water in some places, that's quite understandable.
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TheDeath
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posted June 23, 2009 09:45 PM |
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Think of it like this. You buy a programme. Now you own it, right?
Assuming there is intellectual property (I addressed the other case below), then the dude who sold it to you must give you rights to sell it, of course. And WITH intellectual property or today's (stupid) laws, you CANNOT buy or own software. All you can do is RENT it. Period. That's why it's stupid. Even if you spend money on it, it's not yours to do whatever you want with it (including copies).
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You can resell that CD. So, if intellectual property is abolished, why couldn't you do that with a CD with a copy of someone else's data?
Because you will sell the "intellectual property" in it, which in this case, it's yours. Which is impossible, because you said it's abolished. Don't you see the contradiction?
If you are going to sell it for the price of a blank CD that's fine by me tho. But once you sell it for the DATA in it, it means you ARE SELLING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. That can be either yours or someone else's. If it's abolished, how can you sell something that is abolished?
This goes in both ways you know.
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posted June 23, 2009 09:48 PM |
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you CANNOT buy or own software. All you can do is RENT it.
Well, you can buy software, you're just limited in what you can do with it.
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If it's abolished, how can you sell something that is abolished?
The data is there, but it's not legally protected by copyrights or anything.
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TheDeath
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posted June 23, 2009 09:50 PM |
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Well, you can buy software, you're just limited in what you can do with it.
How is that different from a lifetime rent?Quote:
The data is there
Rule #1.Quote:
but it's not legally protected by copyrights or anything.
you have to OWN the data to be able to sell IT.
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posted June 23, 2009 10:30 PM |
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With the quality of water in some places, that's quite understandable.
I buy bottles with waters once in a while, you could argue with that i buy the bottle but i still buy the water.
Lots of people do, even if the water quality out of the tap if better than out of the bottle
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mvassilev
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posted June 23, 2009 10:46 PM |
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How is that different from a lifetime rent?
Because if you rent, you have to give it back, and you have to pay while you're using it.
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you have to OWN the data to be able to sell IT
You DO own it, or at least a copy of it. You don't have to create something to own it.
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TheDeath
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posted June 24, 2009 12:04 AM |
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Mvass what are you talking about? It is called "intellectual property". You can only own property. So what is it then in your opinion? Something else than intellectual property? What kind of property?
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posted June 24, 2009 12:08 AM |
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*sigh*
I'm speechless.
Can't imagine what happens when you aren't
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posted June 24, 2009 12:18 AM |
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When we talk about "buying" a song, we are using laymen's language. In reality we do NOT buy the song, only a license to use it. That license has specific conditions. The song itself is still owned by the musician or record company or whatever.
If you really DID own the song, then yes, you could upload it to a file sharing site and give away as many copies as you wanted.
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mvassilev
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posted June 24, 2009 12:32 AM |
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Death:
I'm talking about if intellectual property would be abolished.
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TheDeath
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posted June 24, 2009 02:50 AM |
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Then you can't own it. (you can still be the "creator" though, if you are of course)
Christ I've said this like 100 times already.
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mvassilev
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posted June 24, 2009 03:25 AM |
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Just answer my question. If there is no intellectual property, can you sell a CD with data created by somebody else on it?
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TheDeath
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posted June 24, 2009 03:57 AM |
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Then you can't own it. (you can still be the "creator" though, if you are of course)
Christ I've said this like 100 times already.
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*sigh*
I'm speechless. Let's take it easy:
1) You CANNOT sell what you do not OWN.
2) You can't commit plagiarism.
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mvassilev
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posted June 24, 2009 06:44 AM |
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But if there is no such thing as intellectual property, then you do own it, correct?
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posted June 24, 2009 09:23 AM |
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The strength of an argument is determined by the number of people supporting it.
haha so the Bible is true if enough people believe in it? If 99% of humanity says that the Earth is a square, you can imagine why I wouldn't assign that argument credibility at all, and neither would science or any objective measurement, right?
And mind you, most of the people with computers share. So your argument just turned around against you.
...in a democracy. Should just see your reactions.
@Death: Will you please stop vilifying capitalism if you don't want to answer my question?Quote:
What is your substitute to capitalism? Communism? Anarchism?
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