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posted September 18, 2009 08:30 AM |
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What he meant:
BAD players do not act the same as GOOD (experienced) players. BAD players bluff much more often than experienced good players. They also bet and call in situations they should have better folded ( pot odds).
So if you play against these BAD players, you will win in the long run if you "strictly" play "standard" poker.
While against Good players, who know everything about pot odds, the standard poker will not bring you the win in the long run.
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posted September 18, 2009 09:08 AM |
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Exactly. 
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posted September 18, 2009 04:25 PM |
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Poker is mostly played in Casinos, wherelse??
Against who? Your friends? Random people?
What has the casino got to do with it?
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Blackjack has close to nothing to do with skill...
The skill lies in knowing your chances to do an action, stand or take a card, or double/split, etc. Please search "Blackjack strategy" on the internet to see that it's pretty complicated statistics (which is why using software online is so much easier).
I'm not familiar with the different types of poker, and even less playing at casino (I only played with friends for no money), but I can't imagine what has the house got to win from you playing with other people in the casino -- unless you play against the house that is (I'm not sure what that is either).
AND, I understand what you meant with GOOD/BAD players, but I meant if you played against the house and be a perfect player, your odds will still be against you (maybe even slightly so, like 0.5% house edge for Blackjack for a "perfect" player -- otherwise if you are a poor player, of course your odds will be much worse).
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posted September 18, 2009 06:23 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 18:25, 18 Sep 2009.
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Poker is mostly played in Casinos, wherelse??
Against who? Your friends? Random people?
What has the casino got to do with it?
Lol...WHO started the question about "Casino"? It was you...
And of coruse I play vs random people...millions of people play Online poker around the world.
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Blackjack has close to nothing to do with skill...
The skill lies in knowing your chances to do an action, stand or take a card, or double/split, etc. Please search "Blackjack strategy" on the internet to see that it's pretty complicated statistics (which is why using software online is so much easier).
Again lol...I play Blackjack for more than 20 years. Knowing chances / probabilities is the main idea on EVERY card game. It is part in poker too of course. But it is way easier to calculate in BlackJack, because you only have to count from your score to 21. In poker, there are different ways to win, not only reaching 21.
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I'm not familiar with the different types of poker, and even less playing at casino (I only played with friends for no money), but I can't imagine what has the house got to win from you playing with other people in the casino -- unless you play against the house that is (I'm not sure what that is either).
The "house" doesn#t play active on the table, only the players do. But the "house" gains a rake from every pot played. Depends on casino how the rake is set. Mostly it is between 1% and 3% of a pot.
This is for so called cash games (where you play and bet with real money). In tournament games, you play with play chips, but have to pay an entry fee. 90% of your entry fee is added to the prize pool, while 10% of the entry fee goes directly to the owners.
So you can be sure those casinos (pokerstars, bwinpoker, etc...) earn a lot of money.
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posted September 18, 2009 06:32 PM |
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Lol...WHO started the question about "Casino"? It was you...
And of coruse I play vs random people...millions of people play Online poker around the world.
I thought this thread was about the casino gambling.
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Again lol...I play Blackjack for more than 20 years. Knowing chances / probabilities is the main idea on EVERY card game. It is part in poker too of course. But it is way easier to calculate in BlackJack, because you only have to count from your score to 21. In poker, there are different ways to win, not only reaching 21.
That doesn't make it a different strategy, it only makes it more useful to use software.
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The "house" doesn#t play active on the table, only the players do. But the "house" gains a rake from every pot played. Depends on casino how the rake is set. Mostly it is between 1% and 3% of a pot.
This is for so called cash games (where you play and bet with real money). In tournament games, you play with play chips, but have to pay an entry fee. 90% of your entry fee is added to the prize pool, while 10% of the entry fee goes directly to the owners.
So you can be sure those casinos (pokerstars, bwinpoker, etc...) earn a lot of money.
Why would anyone play at the casino and not somewhere else then? To lose some "taxes" to the casino?
Except for tournament games?
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posted September 18, 2009 08:05 PM |
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Knowing chances / probabilities is the main idea on EVERY card game.
True, but moreso in some than in others. Bridge, for example, does involve a degree of luck, but requires way more strategy than, say, blackjack or poker.
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posted September 18, 2009 08:56 PM |
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I thought Bridge is a game for old ladies  (or mostly played by... )
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posted September 18, 2009 09:23 PM |
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I'd say that online poker is a lot more for old ladies than rubber bridge which can be played in clubs all over the world for quite high stakes.
There are even Bridge Olympics as well as WCs.
I've played a lot of Bridge in my time, tourney as well as rubber, and while knowing about probabilities is indeed basic knowledge, Bridge is all about
a) establishing a communication or understanding with your partner. In Ribber bridge you'kk play with changing partners, so that's important.
b) In Bridge you always know 2 complete hands or the placement of half the deck. It's of utmost importance to try and picture the remaining two hands and get an idea of the plaxement of the missing key cards.
The more you know - or believe to know - the better you can plan the play.
With poker the only clues you get usually about opponent's cards is the betting behaviour.
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posted September 18, 2009 09:25 PM |
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I was addicted to online bridge for quite some time, until I gave it up cold-turkey because it was consuming my life.
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posted September 18, 2009 09:31 PM |
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Yeah Bridge is awesome but I gave up soon enough, good to know cause I know what I would have gotten into
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posted September 18, 2009 10:40 PM |
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@ Corribus
I knew enough people who played turney bridge at least 4 evenings of the week - and rubber for cash on weekend.
Bridge is life consuming - that's why I gave it up. You can either be a serious bridge player or something else.
I've been playing poker for about 25 years in private (and still do occasionally) and what I've liked is 7-card stud and 44. I've played Texas in private as well before I had an internet connection, but with online poker I've come to dislike Texas for a couple of reason. Omaha is pretty cool, though, and 7-card as well which I played in Casinos as well.
7-card Casino poker is pretty cool, actually, but it's killing your life as well.
Online RUBBER Bridge (the way poker is played) might kill me - habit-wise. I won't ever check for an online-club.
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posted September 18, 2009 11:41 PM |
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Funny thing, many in my family have some kind of relation to gambling, on my fathers side 50% of the males are more or less addicted to gambling, on my mothers side, 50% of the males are pro players who lives by playing.
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posted September 19, 2009 07:02 AM |
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Endorphins (spelling?). There is a 'rush' when you win, and it is very pleasant. So people play to feel that 'rush' again. Eventually, they become addicted, and it is too late. It is the same basic principle as illegal drugs. Only with drugs usually the first taste is 'free'.
Like any other addiction, you need help and support to get unaddicted unless you have a very powerful will. Normally, those who have that will do not get addicted in the first place. There are a rare few who do, however.
As to the original topic..the woman should have to pay..but sadly most likely she will win. Bad publicity will be more harmful in the long run, and it would be easier to pay and sweep it under the rug then stand up and say "ARE YOU NUTS?!". It's a sad sad thing. People should be held responsible for their own actions, but we are in the 'not me' generation. Where everything is somebody or something elses fault and not our own.
PS. Fixed the subject 
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posted September 19, 2009 08:29 AM |
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@Angelito: have you started playing for real money lately Dirkster?
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posted September 19, 2009 10:01 AM |
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@Angelito: have you started playing for real money lately Dirkster?
Yes. I took the 5$ I won from a play money tournament and started my way...I never sent any money though...still playing (and betting -> bwin)
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posted June 18, 2010 08:01 PM |
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Do you believe in luck? I find it difficult to believe in luck since casinos always win in the long run. That means if you win 10 games in a 50/50, chances are you will lose 10 games as well. And then the house edge kicks in.
That said however, some people are "lucky" with lotteries, sweeps and numbers draw. So which is which? Does luck exist?
Gambling addiction can ruin lives. Which is why more people should be informed of the dangers of compulsive gambling. I too, had bad experiences with gambling addiction.
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posted June 18, 2010 08:19 PM |
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Sure luck exists. Luck, as I see it, is merely the group of people who happen to be in the small percentage of high standard deriviation in what they percieve in a positive way. Luck does not exist if you let there go infinite time, I believe.
An example, let's say everyone on earth roll dices (possible numbers, 1-6, all equally likely), now most people will through long times hit about equally many 1's, 2's, etc. however it's expected a certain percentage will hit a lot more of some than other (that is, the likelyness of how many deviations you'll be off the mean after x throws taking into account how many who playes).
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