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Keksimaton
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posted May 02, 2010 09:53 PM |
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@JJ: That makes no sense whatsoever. Finns acing PISA does not make a Finnish person's views on a matter more valid. Also, it is suspected that the Finnish school system has a problem with not being able to utilise the most talented student's abilities and leaving them in the same rut as the mediocore students.
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mvassilev
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posted May 02, 2010 09:53 PM |
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william:
Nah, Europe sucks. I've been there.
Joonas:
I'm fine with America not being the world police. It can just withdraw its troops from Europe and let those countries fund their own defence. I'm sure they'd all be happy, right?
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Elodin
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posted May 02, 2010 09:54 PM |
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Where he basically admits that what he does is for money, not for the political process.
Beck is certainly out to make money. But that deos not mean that what he says is not true. Beck calls himself an entertainer but I think he is also one of the top reporters in the US. He digs and digs and digs and gets the facts. He is much more fair and balanced that the Obamamania media which has kissed Obama's *** since he began his presidential campaign.
As for FOX, they do give different sides of issues. FOX probably does have a slight conservative slant while others such as NBC/MSBC are all out liberal/socialist.
The liberal media is losing audience while FOX is gaining audience. The American people as a whole trust FOX more than they trust the Obamamania media.
Same with Beck. He trounces the libbies who are opposite him on othter networks.
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Keksimaton
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posted May 02, 2010 10:11 PM |
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It would seem that our champions of true American attitude are doing a great job at debunking the misguided views on their beloved homeland. Firewood truly is the best tool for extinguishing flames.
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JollyJoker
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posted May 02, 2010 10:13 PM |
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william:
Nah, Europe sucks. I've been there.
If you ever needed a proof for... well, never mind. 
@ Keksi
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@JJ: That makes no sense whatsoever. Finns acing PISA does not make a Finnish person's views on a matter more valid
Nah, it just says, chances are that Finnish pupils know more about the USA than American pupils about Europse. And not everything Joonas said was a personal opinion.
In any case it was supposed to be a lighter way to agree with Joonas.
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DagothGares
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posted May 02, 2010 10:17 PM |
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Joonas:
I'm fine with America not being the world police. It can just withdraw its troops from Europe and let those countries fund their own defence. I'm sure they'd all be happy, right?
AMERICA!!!
**** YEAH!
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william
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posted May 02, 2010 10:26 PM |
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william:
Nah, Europe sucks. I've been there.
I hope you're joking with this because if not, you're so terribly ignorant and naive about the world around you. When were you there last? How many places did you go to? Typical American crap that I hear.
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mvassilev
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posted May 02, 2010 10:28 PM |
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I lived there for seven years.
Plus I visited France for ten days and saw Paris and some of southern France.
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Mytical
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posted May 02, 2010 10:30 PM |
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See there is where America sort of gets the shaft regardless of what happens. If somebody is in trouble and we don't offer help America is greedy, self centered, etc. If we do help everybody else wants us to but out and we are just looking out for our own self interest. Lose/Lose situation.
However, I will say straight out that what you see on the media is not the America I experience every day. I mean it would be easy to say all Germans are Nazi (NO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE EASY TO SAY). Or all french are cowards, or whatever. Not even bothering to look past all the rhetoric and bias. No just assume the worst for everybody ay? ((You know that assume makes a snow out of u and me right?))
Only Americans are just supposed to sit back and take it. Cause if WE say anything about the people of another nation we are all bigotted snows who should be shot. Yet Americans are free game. Anybody can say whatever about them..right? And people wonder why some Americans don't care for anybody else? Why would they when they are prejudged regardless of what they do or who they are?
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william
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posted May 02, 2010 10:31 PM |
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Yeah, but I doubt you travelled around the whole of Europe and how old were you by the way? Maybe you'd change your mind if you went there when you're a bit older and more mature in your thinking, because believe me, America is not all it's cracked up to be.
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mvassilev
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posted May 02, 2010 10:34 PM |
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I grew up there, and I maintained significant contacts afterwards. I know how things are.
And America is great. Certainly it's not perfect, but I can say without any doubt that America is the best country in the world. (And don't call me a nationalist or a patriot or whatever: a patriot is someone who would say, "America isn't the best, but I still would rather live there than anywhere else." I wouldn't - I would prefer to live in whatever country happens to be the best.)
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Binabik
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posted May 02, 2010 10:39 PM |
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Nah, it just says, chances are that Finnish pupils know more about the USA than American pupils about Europse
You're entirely missing the point. Americans don't insist they know more about Finland or an other European country more than the people who live there. But the reverse is not true.
For example there have been a few threads about Serbia. I simply read what Vlaad or Bak says about it because they are from there. I'm well aware that living there doesn't mean they are right, or know what they are talking about. But it does mean they are FAR more likely to know more than I do about it. I could watch all the news about Serbia and read everything I could find on the subject, but I still would place a lot of weight on what someone who lives there says.
Yet people who have never stepped foot into the US insist they know more than someone who has spent their entire life here? I mean wtf????
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william
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posted May 02, 2010 10:40 PM |
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Where did you grow up, and how old were you (stop avoiding this question because if you were young then what you say really has no merit, sorry).
Oh and no, America is by far NOT the greatest bloody country. In saying that, just because I live in Australia, doesn't mean that I think Australia is the best country, I'd much prefer england (which is by far much better than America).
And Binabik, I find it funny, your last sentence, because Americans seem to know pretty much everything about the rest of the world even if they haven't stepped foot into another country. I call ignorance.
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posted May 02, 2010 10:48 PM |
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I grew up in Russia, from birth to the age of seven, with another visit afterwards, and am still regularly updated by those in my family who live there.
And you gave no reason as to why America isn't the best country in the world.
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Binabik
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posted May 02, 2010 10:50 PM |
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Bull**** William. With the possible exception of Mvass, point out an American at HC who thinks they know more about another country than the people who live there. Point out an American who will continue to argue with people from other countries about THEIR country.
To be more specific, name someone on here who tries to claim they know more about Australia than you do?
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william
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posted May 02, 2010 10:53 PM |
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For starters, crime rate is pathetic, gun control is pathetic (should be like Australia where they don't even sell guns), food is a problem (overweight people), and America is probably mostly to blame for the whole downfall of the economy.
Btw, Russia isn't the best example for Europe, so you still can't say that America is the best country when you haven't exactly been to many other places. So please, maybe give me some reasons as to why America is the best compared to other places? lol
Oh and Bin, I've met a lot of Americans in real life who are like that, sadly. I'm not talking specifically HC. I thought that much was obvious.
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posted May 02, 2010 10:55 PM |
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@ DagothGares
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If elodin saw Jesus walking down the street, he'd not only not recognise him, he'd call homeland security about that "suspicious looking arab" he just saw.
I object to the slur you have put in your sig about me. I have good friends who are Arabs and you have no basis for claiming I would not recognize Jesus or that I would call homeland security on him.
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bixie
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posted May 02, 2010 11:24 PM |
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no country is perfect. nor is any news, I might add, though there are some that have a fairly obvious agenda.
I have already stated my feelings over how fox news shouldn't be taken as the gospel truth. there's a very good member of the youtube community who shows how much fox edits their stuff, although his username will put many people off who do take that station as true.http://www.youtube.com/user/liberalviewer?blend=1&ob=4
no country is perfect. Britian has, at the heads of the two main parties, a dour scotsman who could end reality if he smiled, and slimy etonian who looks as though if you turn up the heat slightly you could deep fat fry him. We have an austrialian right wing lunatic owning 40% of the newspapers, the remainder are run by either well-wishing old grannies, porn stars or ex-anarchists, where the highlight of celebrity was a slightly chubby female monkey with a slug for a brain that died last year, where reforms to energy-renewal and climate change schemes are being blocked by a bunch of morons whose only reason for being in parliament is that daddy was in. Where the most right wing fringes are holocaust deniers and the most left wing are out and out anarachists. where you are more likely to be stabbed due to being from a certain area than for you're money. Where in a general election, that could shape the future of the country, the general response is "why bother, they're all as bad as each other". and I would still say I would prefer to live here than in america. but shows you how valid I am to judge it.
All news stations try and deliever the news in an appealing way. all in all, I will stick with the good old BBC, because when it comes the news, at least they are boring as all f**k, and when it comes to news, boring means you get facts across.
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posted May 02, 2010 11:26 PM |
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william:
Gun control is an interesting issue, and I disagree with you about it, but it's not important enough to make or break a country. In fact, aside from the crime rate (which can be reduced rather easily), all of the problems you mentioned are rather minor. I mean, really - overweight people? Who cares?
As for why America is better than other countries - let's take France, for example. In America, we don't have students rioting and burning cars in the streets of DC, asking the government to not decrease labour regulations. In America, while we do unfortunately have strikes from time to time, we never have general strikes - certainly, our teachers never go on strike. We have relatively low taxes.
Yes, there's plenty about America that could still be better, but I'd rather live here than anywhere else.
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posted May 02, 2010 11:34 PM |
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I was thinking about making another thread for this but since since the thread is about bias too I think it will still fit here.
@Binabik:
Talking about things in U.S.A. is just as stupid as talking about things in Europe. Travel to Spain, Belarus or Finland or travel to California, Alabama or Alaska. All are so inherently different it's stupid to even start to talk about things in general.
Biggest part of what the world knows about the U.S.A. is from news. And news are about what interests people. Not everyday life. That's boring. So the stupid things, catastrophes, major politics and celebrity gossips are what comes across the ocean. Add to that the movies and drama series and you've got yourself a nice idea of what the typical European sees about the U.S.A.
I personally know some people from the States and they are most reasonable even if a little overly polite. But most people have never even met someone from the States how else would they form their opinion if not on the information they can obtain?
Regarding the health part. Is it not true that if someone gets a disease he must pay for the treatment or not get any? Or if he gets it he must pay later? As I understand most people can't afford anything beyond most simple treatment. All not even that.
@Mvass:
Currently no other countries beside the ones neighbouring Russia need any kind of military. Finland, Ukraine and Belarus are not in NATO. Norway has more than it needs. The Baltic countries were ordered to stop building a defense of their own and aim to crisis control after joining NATO. Along with Poland they'd be more than happy to have U.S.A. defend them because it is what makes them able to keep up their annoy Russia game. The rest wouldn't even need the military they hold up themselves. The forces U.S.A. has in Europe are actually paid by the host countries. Of course there are mutual deals and area economic factors in play so it isn't that simple and the countries might actually benefit economically from them but I haven't delved into it enough to judge.
Point being that the countries where U.S.A. has forces stationed already do have their own military, most of them wouldn't even need a military and that it isn't clear whether they actually benefit from those forces economically or not.
@JJ&Keksi:
Yeah, the Finnish education system is good at producing good averages but is severely underfunded which is why the searching for the top material is ignored.
What makes it so good is the teachers. They work with lousy pay, low respect and difficult work conditions with overly growing class sizes and they still manage to get results like this.
A bow for respect.
@Mysti:
That's normal in life. No one wants pity. What comes to the U.S.A. style of "help" it is highly debaptable. Afghanistan? Irak? Marshall program? Afghanistan was plain revenge and a failure. Irak taking an opportunity for some oil and was a success. Marshall program was a calculated long time gain. There is no unselfish help in this world.
As long as I'm here and speak my mind of U.S.A. anyone is free to say what they want about Finland. I see no problem in it. Nor do I complain about it. Yet I see people who complain about criticism against the U.S.A. everyday. Maybe someone hit a sore spot?
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