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posted August 03, 2010 09:29 PM |
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Anything that can substain enough power to be a threat, is a threat. It doesn't only apply to countries. The only reason the focus is on specific countries are because of the way they behave, but who's most dangerous, the loud boy in the class (he who have everything in the mouth), or the silent boy who no one expects anything from, clevery plotting his schemes and having the means and ability to do follow them through?
The only real way to eliminate threat are not by removing power from everyone else, but by finding ways of making what is higher power in one way, is not higher in another. It's much like a sword is good for cutting, a blunt weapon is good for hitting hard, but you can't really cut with a blunt weapon and yeah you can hit hard with a sword, but not nearly as hard.
So both these kinds of weapons have power in each their way, much like the shield, it however has defensive power, not offensive.
Find means to have more defensive power than anyone around you have of offensive power and no one will be a threat, that is the only way, except for making you the only person alive in the world and yet there you'll be facing threats due to random accidents.
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posted August 04, 2010 03:33 PM |
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The United States DOES fund terrorism, it funded the Khmer Rouge and supplied them weapons.
Sorry, but that is false. The US backed the government of Cambodia over the atheist Pol Pot and his communist thugs. Blame the killing fields on Pol Pot. If you must blame a political system, blame communism. If you must blame a religion, blame atheism.
Note: Not all atheists are communists or support mass murder.
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An eye for an eye makes the world blind and revenge is not the path taken by the enlightened or the truly righteous.
There simply can't be peace with terrorists because they are not reasonable people. Jihadists say convert to Islam or die. Terrorists can't be ignored, they have to be fought.
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With noteworthy exceptions, of course. Think about Mikhail Gorbachev, for example.
Gorbachev is KGB communist scum. He did not suddenly see the light. He merely went into propaganda mode when communism fell.
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I fail to grasp the relevance of your post with regard to the question of who started terror bombing.
Your bizarre claim that Hitler cared about civilian deaths in the nations he was conquering. Britain was attacked through no fault of their own by the Germans who were bent on their establishment of the "Third Reich." Britain was desperate to keep from being conquered and when the Germans started bombing their civilians they started bombing German civilians.
Actually, in the example you put forward of British concentration camps, the Brits were gathering the people to keep them from starving to death while they ferreted out military forces. The German concentration camps were for the purpose of 1) mass murder; 2) slave labor.
Yes, the US had Japanese internment camps during the war, but those were not the equivalent of German mass murder camps, though I don't agree with the internment camps either.
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"The US didn't invent slavery."
I'm sure, you remember that. Hey, the Germans didn't invent concentration camps either.
I said "the US did not invent slavery" as one of the many counters to leftists saying the US is evil because it once had slaves.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 04, 2010 04:04 PM |
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Can someone please delete the fabrications?
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bixie
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posted August 04, 2010 05:26 PM |
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Oh, I see what you did there.
anyway
well, actually about the british concentration camps, you are wrong, Elodin. they were purely about submission. they starved the enemy until they either relented to the british, or they died trying. trust me, I'm british, and my mother's great grandfather was involved in it. it was a brutal, ghastly affair, and to simply paint over it and to try and justify it is completely morally bankrupt.
Also, you did fund terrorists. YOU FUNDED F**KING AL-QUEDA! aren't they the f**king watch word for all that is bad these days?! during Russias attempt to invade afghanistan, america sent over funds and weapons to the Taliban in order to prevent soviet forces from taking any more countries. Why? because anything was better than the bloody communists, even if they were a bunch of sexist, homophobic, intolerant, mass-murdering, insane terrorists!
You see, this is the problem I have with american history being taught. It's so Jingo-happy patriotic, and doesn't dare paint america in a bad light, for fear of retribution. In england, we are more than happy to teach our kids of the completely assanine commanders in the first world war, sending men to die in the trenchs, and we are more than happy to teach our kids about the horrors we commited during our imperial days.
why? because history f**king matters, and you should at least have the decency to tell the bloody truth to you're kids when discussing it. We did this, we, as a species, did horrible things to one another, we did atrocities, for causes and religions and governments, but we still did them. We should never forget them, never let it be brushed away with "It was war," "They were all commies," "We never fund terrorists," for the moment we do that, we become a thousand times as bad as any ruthless dictator, insane mass murderer, vile rapist or sinister cabal. we have blotted out lives, stamped on legacies, and really, truly, honestly, lost our humanity.
This is why america is up s**t creek without a paddle, not because it's the beacon of the west, but because it actively ignores it's past offenses, so it can play this sick chimera of victim, crusader and leader in the free world when retribution comes it's way. the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card. Grow up, america, stop trying to blame it on other people, you are the worlds most powerful superpower, now, start acting with the responsiblity that intales!
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posted August 05, 2010 11:08 AM |
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@Elodin
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Your bizarre claim that Hitler cared about civilian deaths in the nations he was conquering. Britain was attacked through no fault of their own by the Germans...
Just to get some facts straight:
It was Britain (and France) who declared war on germany on sept. 3rd 1939. It was France who started an offense on sept. 5th, which ended in the so called "phony war"...
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posted August 05, 2010 11:19 AM |
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If we can't get back on track, this will have to be closed. You want a thread about American History..make one. I would like to remind people, however, that NOBODY is innocent. America has done some bad things, yes..but so has every nation out there (yes even the so called 'neutral' ones because "Evil triumphs when good people do nothing").
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posted August 05, 2010 11:54 AM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 11:57, 05 Aug 2010.
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JJ, it is you who should start to open your eyes and stop twisting and warping facts and history around until they appear to fit into your small view of things. It is you, not me, who continues to make false statements about historical facts.
No, it's you!
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Your defense of Hitler makes me puke. Hitler personally authorized the development the atomic bomb and of a bomber capable of reaching New York with a nuclear bomb. The allies managed to destroy research facilities on three different occasions which perhaps helped prevent such developments from being carried out in time.
Because as we all know if Germany would have used the Atomic Bomb it would have been used for terrorist attacks, but when America uses it it is "for the greater good", rait?
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ALSO REMEMBER THAT NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMANY STARTED THE WAR, a war of conquest.
No they didn't, Hitler did, and there were multiple reasons for it, and none of them was "because we are a national socialist country".
And why are you so hostile to the principle of "conquest"? What do you think America was built on? 
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Your bizarre claim that Hitler cared about civilian deaths in the nations he was conquering.
And you seem to be living in a fairy-tale world.
Your reasoning is of a childish level; "Hitler was Evil, THEREFOR he cannot have had any GOOD traits", is what you're saying.
And, uhrm, what was the topic again?
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posted August 05, 2010 12:09 PM |
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Iran. *shakes head sadly*. We get good debates going, and people on both sides have to muck it up with sticking their tongues out at each other, holding their ears, and singing "Nah nah nah nah." People, this is a forum about a Game, don't be so bloody Sirious!
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posted August 05, 2010 12:13 PM |
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Dewd! This is the Other Side of the Monitor!
THIS IS SIRIUS!
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posted August 05, 2010 12:14 PM |
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America has done some bad things, yes..but so has every nation out there (yes even the so called 'neutral' ones because "Evil triumphs when good people do nothing").
Yup! Even you saintly Scandinavians were a roaming band of savages at one point, remember?
But hey, one half my ancestors chopped off other people's heads with swords, and the other half conquered all of the Mediterranean and brought about the Pax Romana (wait...that's good...). Either that or they were just farmers, but hey! Who's ancestors weren't farmers way back when? I mean other than the descendants of Genghis Khan, but I am getting off track here so...I'll just kinda fly off.
(Flies off into the distance on dragon)
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Mytical
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posted August 05, 2010 12:15 PM |
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I just can't resist..this will be deleted, but I HAVE to....
SIRIUS? This is HEROES COMMUNITY!!! *kicks Moonlith down a well*
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posted August 05, 2010 12:17 PM |
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That's the spirit.  
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Berny-Mac
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posted August 05, 2010 12:28 PM |
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Yup! Even you saintly Scandinavians were a roaming band of savages at one point, remember?
How do you know what I was doing last evening?
Hehe, well I'm just kinda good like that. But then again, you can be very obvious when we hear screams of innocent victims, the crunching of bones, and the loud burp of a man that's had one too many. Course that could've just been my brother, but that's to be expected.
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Salamandre
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posted August 05, 2010 12:52 PM |
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SIRIUS? This is HEROES COMMUNITY!!!
Tell that to JJ who started an encyclopedia writing a few days ago. 
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JollyJoker
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posted August 05, 2010 01:24 PM |
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It's good to see that my few and short contributions have made a lasting impression, so much so, that your hindsight seems to suffer a bit under a warping of perspective, I sadly find.
I still find it interesting, how different the English and the German wiki are sketching Persian history. It's interesting to see, how biassed the English wiki article is, and how selective facts are simply ot presented.
Likewise it's interesting to see, that some people are prepared to twist and warp every act in history just to try and prove a point - which isn't new, however.
Seriousness? Well...
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posted August 05, 2010 01:24 PM |
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Yup! Even you saintly Scandinavians were a roaming band of savages at one point, remember?
What? Most vikings were peasants who went out trading. That they would sacrifice humans and drink their blood is BS.
I would have loved to live around that age in some beautiful landscape and sacrificing to Freja.
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DagothGares
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posted August 05, 2010 02:00 PM |
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It was Britain (and France) who declared war on germany on sept. 3rd 1939.
And Hitler really liked the british, so this came as quite a shock to him, IIRC.
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posted August 05, 2010 02:03 PM |
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From what I have read, Hitler actually seemed like a nice person outside of his politics that liked animals et cetera.
But then, if they had won in WW2 we would probably think of him as a hero since the winner takes it all and writes history.
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DagothGares
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posted August 05, 2010 02:07 PM |
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No, he wasn't nice. He was prone to ranting about his political ideas a lot against anyone perceived he perceived as a threat (reminds me of someone else on this forum...) to the point that even Mussolini was like: geesh, Adolf, relax, man. (citation needed)
And he was fully convinced he was in the right. Sure, he must've been a very nice man when everything went his way and he was surrounded by aryans who thought like him. Still, a petty and violent man.
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posted August 05, 2010 03:06 PM |
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Chill, Xerox, I'm just joking around okay?
Anyways, Hitler being nice other than being responsible for the deaths of millions and all that seems to be a pretty complicated thing. Who knows what went on in that guys's brain.
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