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Yaeliccc
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posted April 03, 2011 12:36 PM |
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Won't we still be individuals, as long as we're the same unique self, inside?
You may look like me, you may talk like me, you may smell like me, you may sound like me, heck you may even taste like me. But the caverns of my mind, though they may work the same for you, is my solitude, unless we never were two.
If I enhance your brain abilities will you not develop into another person with a different way of thinking ?
If i change your apperance, athletic abilities will that not put you on another path in life ? looks influence how you are viewed by others, hence their interaction with you....  Environment has a vast impact on how u develop as a human being, had u been altered in any way u would no longer be Ohfor... butterfly effect
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smithey
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posted April 03, 2011 12:37 PM |
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To get rid of diseased genes and eliminate the treat of future suffering a big YES 
Other stuff ? how tall, how smart, how pretty, eye colors... that is just insane, it is a mockery to what we as humans stand for, we are all individuals, that is what makes us beautiful and unique, what makes us humans, sets of perfectly enginereed humans.... BORING 
Spoken like a girl who has the brains and a great look 
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Doomforge
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posted April 03, 2011 12:38 PM |
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Spoken like a girl who has the brains and a great look
Pretty people are most likely to protest, they are afraid to lose their uniqueness and visual superiority 
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Azagal
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posted April 03, 2011 12:42 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 12:43, 03 Apr 2011.
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Sure, "beauty" would no longer matter, since everybody would be beautiful, but isn't that good? Think of it. Diversity would most likely still exist (different hair color, skin color, body shape), but there would be no visual prejudice and we would eliminate the random factor of looks from life.
Haaha that had to be you Doomforge^^. Well Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Doom. So while we may indeed get more women with long legs, smooth waists, breasts nicely proportionate to their overall heigth and sculpted cheekbones simply because that seems to be dominating ideal I doubt all will adhere the trend. I know a guy who becomes extatic if a woman has a space between her two front teeth (like this).
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Pretty people are most likely to protest, they are afraid to lose their uniqueness and visual superiority
There you go again... lol.
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Yaeliccc
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posted April 03, 2011 12:43 PM |
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To get rid of diseased genes and eliminate the treat of future suffering a big YES
Other stuff ? how tall, how smart, how pretty, eye colors... that is just insane, it is a mockery to what we as humans stand for, we are all individuals, that is what makes us beautiful and unique, what makes us humans, sets of perfectly enginereed humans.... BORING
That would perhaps not be as bad as we think. Sure, "beauty" would no longer matter, since everybody would be beautiful, but isn't that good? Think of it. Diversity would most likely still exist (different hair color, skin color, body shape), but there would be no visual prejudice and we would eliminate the random factor of looks from life. Which is good on the road to give people truly equal chances.
Don't forget there is absolutely no "fairness" in human life until we, humans, make it fair. We already did it with societies, law, we could also do it with genes one day.
So lets all be beautiful and smart ? no more modeling, acting, scientists.... you figure a man with an IQ of 150 will work as a waiter or any othe postion beyond his intellegence ? who will be fit to do anything better than the other if we share the same qualities ? If everybody is amazing at sports does sport matter ? all becomes irrelevant.... BORING
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Jabanoss
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posted April 03, 2011 12:44 PM |
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I'm all for genetic enhancement, however Azagal have some interesting points.
The problem I think is that you are not altering yourself but instead your child. I mean if a person wants to have longer legs or change his eye color, I think most people would agree that that's fine, but is it really okay to start deciding what your own child should look like?
Sure I mean you "created" it, but does that give you any right...
However when it comes to deceases and other defects, I very positive about it, even if it might be abused there as well.
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Azagal
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posted April 03, 2011 12:45 PM |
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And Yaeliccc is perfectly right. Changing how a person looks has a huge impact on your lives as you develop and thusly on the person you become. If you're the "ugly" kid in school your life will be a lot different from the one who got all the love letters.
But please people lets keep this to the designing part? Because the "when everyone will look gorgeous and we'll all be so clever that we make Einstein look like a bright turd" scenario is quite far in the future. As Adrius already said the better the technology becomes the more exspensive it will be so it'll be a long way before the whole "we'll run out of "below average people" to change the gas on my car" argument to make much sense...
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posted April 03, 2011 12:46 PM |
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Hello Yaeliccc!
I am not too interested in discussing this in too many posts, maybe someone else is
Here's how I think about your question, as detailed as I can manage:
Will I be the same person in your eyes? No, I think I won't. I'll most likely behave differently, as you say.
Will I be the same person behind the curtains? I don't know, but I hope I will.
If I would not be the same person behind the curtains, the "I", in my, would be dead. Some other "I", would be looking at the world through the eyes of my body
I like to call this "I" consciousness. This is what I think is important, when taking about being an individual.
If all living things in the world where the same person, then there'd be no individuality, and there'd only be one being alive and 6 billions lifes.
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Doomforge
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posted April 03, 2011 12:52 PM |
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So lets all be beautiful and smart ? no more modeling, acting, scientists.... you figure a man with an IQ of 150 will work as a waiter or any othe postion beyond his intellegence ? who will be fit to do anything better than the other if we share the same qualities ? If everybody is amazing at sports does sport matter ? all becomes irrelevant.... BORING
And how's being an ugly, uninteresting person any better alternative? I'd rather see it boring than unfair. Always. If some naturally beautiful girl will lose her superiority because of that and get depressed because she's no longer special, oh well, stuff happens. I'd rather have "special" people coping with their no-longer-special problems than have a million talentless, ugly average Joes with inferiority complex.
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posted April 03, 2011 12:52 PM |
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The world would be much better if everyone had an IQ of 150 and was strong and smart. People would still be very different - they would grow up in different environments. Also, genetic modification would not lead to uniformity. While positive traits would be promoted and negative traits removed, many traits are more or less neutral - eye color, personality (to a certain extent), etc. Yes, let's all be beautiful and smart. Can you imagine how much faster we'd progress? Can you imagine how much better life would be?
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Yaeliccc
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posted April 03, 2011 12:54 PM |
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Spoken like a girl who has the brains and a great look
Pretty people are most likely to protest, they are afraid to lose their uniqueness and visual superiority
So I have visual superiority but doesnt that mean u have superiority in other aspects of life over me ? would u like to not have anything unique about u anymore ? Everything that makes u special would no longer make u as such so wouldnt that make a world full of anonymous nobodys ? pretty boring place if u ask me 
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posted April 03, 2011 12:54 PM |
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The world would be much better if everyone had an IQ of 150 and was strong and smart. People would still be very different - they would grow up in different environments. Also, genetic modification would not lead to uniformity. While positive traits would be promoted and negative traits removed, many traits are more or less neutral - eye color, personality (to a certain extent), etc. Yes, let's all be beautiful and smart. Can you imagine how much faster we'd progress? Can you imagine how much better life would be?
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So I have visual superiority but doesnt that mean u have superiority in other aspects of life over me ? would u like to not have anything unique about u anymore ? Everything that makes u special would no longer make u as such so wouldnt that make a world full of anonymous nobodys ? pretty boring place if u ask me
Why are people so afraid to be "mundane"? usually, they are, anyway. Pretty ironic. I think it's rather egoistic of people to think solely of avoiding boredom of equality (by feeling better than unfortunate losers that got nature-owned). 
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posted April 03, 2011 12:56 PM |
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If this was an anime Yaeliccc would be the angsty teenager piloting a mecha that saves the world from the dude with the supa-human destiny plan.
Just a random thought.
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Doomforge
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posted April 03, 2011 12:57 PM |
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If this was an anime Yaeliccc would be the angsty teenager piloting a mecha that saves the world from the dude with the supa-human destiny plan.
Just a random thought.
She would also be smoking hot
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Azagal
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posted April 03, 2011 12:58 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 13:00, 03 Apr 2011.
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You're so cynical Doom lol... Dude how come that for you being "ugly" (again ugly being a relative term. You don't treat it as such) is synonomous with being "uninteressting"? That's moronic. A persons looks may affect the person he's going to be but simply because he looks a certain way won't mean the person he becomes isn't interessting or engageing. I get that you're bitter but you need to be a bit more objective. It's not as simple as "Beautiful and Succesfull vs Ugly and therefore sad,uninterresting and boring".#
But back to the engenieering part how pretty and clever our society as a whole will be in a 1000 years due to bio-engineering is hardly a prospect we should discuss now. I also doubt that was the point of the thread.
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Doomforge
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posted April 03, 2011 12:59 PM |
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You're so cynical Doom lol... Dude how come that for you being "ugly" (again ugly being a relative term. You don't treat it as such) is synonomous with being "uninteressting"? That's moronic. A persons looks may affect the person he's going to be but simply because he looks a certain way won't mean the person he becomes isn't interessting or engageing. I get that you're bitter but you need to be a bit more objective. It's not as simple as "Beautiful and Succesfull vs Ugly and therefore sad,uninterresting and boring".#
But back to the engenieering part.
If looks are irrelevant, why does everybody try to prove otherwise by preserving "beauty" and not dumping visual "uniqueness" down the drain and promoting difference via character features?
Will a person be any less interesting if he/she is not ugly anymore? What are you exactly aiming at, his right to be ugly? I bet he doesn't want it himself lol.
ANd if it's all about character, why do you even care if she/he is beautiful or not?
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Jabanoss
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posted April 03, 2011 12:59 PM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 13:00, 03 Apr 2011.
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So I have visual superiority but doesnt that mean u have superiority in other aspects of life over me ? would u like to not have anything unique about u anymore ? Everything that makes u special would no longer make u as such so wouldn't that make a world full of anonymous nobodys ? pretty boring place if u ask me
I think you're missing the point.
Everyone will still have their unique personality and their unique look.
It will just be more like "everyone will be beautiful", but also that will be completely subjective...
And yeah I agree with Mvass. (well ignoring the fact that I might not be so easy.)
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Doomforge
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posted April 03, 2011 01:02 PM |
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Exactly. We wouldn't be a world of brainless cyborgs. Unless you people identify with looks so much that without it, you would feel boring and mundane
Oh, and Azzie. You pretty much misunderstood me. Never said ugly people are worse or boring or something.
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Azagal
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posted April 03, 2011 01:05 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 13:07, 03 Apr 2011.
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If looks are irrelevant, why does everybody try to prove otherwise by preserving "beauty" and not dumping visual "uniqueness" down the drain and promoting difference via character features?
Will a person be any less interesting if he/she is not ugly anymore? What are you exactly aiming at, his right to be ugly? I bet he doesn't want it himself lol.
ANd if it's all about character, why do you even care if she/he is beautiful or not?
Doom where do I say that looks are irrelevant? I never said that, on the contrary. I'm not aiming at his right to be ugly but at the fact that you think you are the one to judge whether he/she is pretty. Not to mention that you push people into these categories of yours. All you've been saying in here is that "pretty" (again what you think is pretty) people are great because they're pretty and that "ugly" people are uninteresting and losers by default. That's not your reason speaking that's your bitterness.
Has it ever occured to you that someone you might consider "ugly" thinks he looks swell and is totally happy with his/her life?
EDIT: Yes you did Doom.
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how's being an ugly, uninteresting person any better alternative?
But this is not about a "perfect" future but about the fact that parents can design their children. So back to that?
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Yaeliccc
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posted April 03, 2011 01:08 PM |
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The world would be much better if everyone had an IQ of 150 and was strong and smart. People would still be very different - they would grow up in different environments. Also, genetic modification would not lead to uniformity. While positive traits would be promoted and negative traits removed, many traits are more or less neutral - eye color, personality (to a certain extent), etc. Yes, let's all be beautiful and smart. Can you imagine how much faster we'd progress? Can you imagine how much better life would be?
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So I have visual superiority but doesnt that mean u have superiority in other aspects of life over me ? would u like to not have anything unique about u anymore ? Everything that makes u special would no longer make u as such so wouldnt that make a world full of anonymous nobodys ? pretty boring place if u ask me
Why are people so afraid to be "mundane"? usually, they are, anyway. Pretty ironic. I think it's rather egoistic of people to think solely of avoiding boredom of equality (by feeling better than unfortunate losers that got nature-owned).
unfortunate losers who got nature-owned  I never need other people's misfortune to feel good about myself, that is just mean, and if anyone thinks of another as a loser coz of looks, it just means he/she is the real loser 
but ok, im done, this is the second time his thread made me mad, third time i shall come back with a vengeance 
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