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pellish
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posted April 23, 2015 07:04 PM |
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Is there anyone who can shed some 'official' light on the current status of HotA's Forge?
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted April 23, 2015 07:05 PM |
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@Hippox
Given that the VCMI Forge is near completion -unlike the others-, I don't see how he was off topic.
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hippox89
Famous Hero
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posted April 23, 2015 08:00 PM |
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Edited by hippox89 at 20:25, 23 Apr 2015.
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@Sal
It was just meant for fun, actually. A tease if you will. 
@Pellish
I think I remember Nik saying something like the project being on hold currently until 'a better time comes for it', but it was a while back. It isn't cancelled, but they probably don't want people to expect it released any time soon, either.
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pellish
Famous Hero
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posted April 23, 2015 09:07 PM |
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hippox89 said:
@Pellish
I think I remember Nik saying something like the project being on hold currently until 'a better time comes for it', but it was a while back. It isn't cancelled, but they probably don't want people to expect it released any time soon, either.
I see. Thanks for the quick reply!
Patience is a virtue I guess. Even if we don't get to see Forge in the coming years I hope we at least get to see occasional updates for HotA like we have before. Since I suppose it is only the Forge project that has been put on hold, not HotA altogether?
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hippox89
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posted April 23, 2015 10:29 PM |
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Edited by hippox89 at 22:32, 23 Apr 2015.
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pellish said:
Patience is a virtue I guess. Even if we don't get to see Forge in the coming years I hope we at least get to see occasional updates for HotA like we have before. Since I suppose it is only the Forge project that has been put on hold, not HotA altogether?
No, the crew just have some other priorities and goals at the moment, but the wheels keep spinning. If the Heavenly Forge is one day released by the crew then it's a safe bet that it's going to be best incarnation of the town in terms of design and polish, even if years down the line. I'm not really hyped about any of the other Forge projects myself because they have no competitive scene at all or isn't meant to have (Era II).
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don_komandorr
Known Hero
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posted April 23, 2015 10:54 PM |
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Not HOTA team oppinion, just mine
well I doubt about Forge in Hota now. making it close to NWC style (ie blasters, cainsaws etc) is way to risky for ""classial addon which Hota want to be so hard.
Nobody whants playes get mad on Hota and abandon it.
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Pellish
Famous Hero
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posted April 23, 2015 11:00 PM |
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Edited by Pellish at 10:40, 24 Apr 2015.
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hippox89 said:
No, the crew just have some other priorities and goals at the moment, but the wheels keep spinning. If the Heavenly Forge is one day released by the crew then it's a safe bet that it's going to be best incarnation of the town in terms of design and polish, even if years down the line. I'm not really hyped about any of the other Forge projects myself because they have no competitive scene at all or isn't meant to have (Era II).
I do not doubt that. HotA is known for making quality.
don_komandorr said:
Not HOTA team oppinion, just mine
well I doubt about Forge in Hota now. making it close to NWC style (ie blasters, cainsaws etc) is way to risky for ""classial addon which Hota want to be so hard.
Nobody whants playes get mad on Hota and abandon it.
So it seems like HotA are facing the same predicament as NWC originally did regarding not wanting anyone to be disappointed and boycott it, am I right?
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted April 24, 2015 12:18 AM |
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Why use so much time and work to try to create something new and then get scared of backlash in the last minute? I'm talking about both NWC and HotA here. Could'nt the time be spent better for something the majority would like? Of course HotA crew should do what THEY wan't to do, but what's the point if they are scared of releasing it?
I think I like Cathedral best myself, even if it does'nt seem that original and I've always dreamed of a deserttown with sand as native terrain. Personally I don't think Forge fits with the mideval setting, but I'm always up for new content and the town could always be disabled if people don't like it.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted April 24, 2015 12:34 PM |
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don_komandorr said:
Not HOTA team oppinion, just mine
well I doubt about Forge in Hota now. making it close to NWC style (ie blasters, cainsaws etc) is way to risky for ""classial addon which Hota want to be so hard.
Nobody whants playes get mad on Hota and abandon it.
You could just add a option that lets you disable the Forge faction and all of its content.
It really doesn't have to be any harder than that.
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Warmonger
Promising
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fallen artist
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posted April 24, 2015 01:22 PM |
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It really doesn't have to be any harder than that.
It really can't be any harder than that. HoTA is the only thing that managed to add a town to original game at all and now you ask to make it optional?
Not to mention fragmented scene, update issues and of course multiplayer incompatibility.
If you want optional towns, VCMI is the only solution.
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Don_komandorr
Known Hero
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posted April 24, 2015 01:56 PM |
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Makin option is possible, but Hota is optionless. It is it's main feature, you don't have to configure your game to make a half-playable frankenstein's monster.
and making town optional is admitting of fact that the town is bad for heroes.
Should hota take this risk and make forge? Don't forget - making a new town takes alot of time from people. they are making it for free and no one (including me, that's why I submitted edited NWC town for all) wants their work to be useless or being attacked for that.
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vylk
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 24, 2015 02:09 PM |
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How many forge projects are there now? 3? And all of them enjoy support from fans. + I'm certain that those who oppose the idea violently now will come to love it... I mean, NWC (creators of a game we still play 15 years later) saw that Forge fits, why the mistrust?
This being said, the option thing is still quite the solution... as most people will not use it 100%.
Anyway, my 2 cents.
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pellish
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posted April 24, 2015 05:32 PM |
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^I agree. Don't do what NWC did. I'm certain most people will enjoy Forge (or whatever town you decide to make) anyways...
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verriker
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We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 24, 2015 06:33 PM |
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Don_komandorr said:
and making town optional is admitting of fact that the town is bad for heroes.
not really, after all even the NWC Forge was always supposed to be optional in the first place lol
all it means in that the town is an exception to the rule, whatever that rule is (lore I guess, since the Forges only exist on Enroth and would only have been revived for a short time)
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don_komandorr
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posted April 24, 2015 06:40 PM |
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not really, after all even the NWC Forge was always supposed to be optional in the first place lol
do you have any support for this claim?
Optionalism is not a sign of NWC, neither Hota. (one of the reasons hota doesn't have options)
some shocking new info can be a precedent.
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verriker
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We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 24, 2015 06:59 PM |
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don_komandorr said:
do you have any support for this claim?
Optionalism is not a sign of NWC, neither Hota. (one of the reasons hota doesn't have options)
some shocking new info can be a precedent.
yeah, according to this article it was campaign only
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted April 24, 2015 07:04 PM |
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Where do you read "campaign" only? Everybody knows conflux replaced the forge concept, this is additional town. Nobody will create a new town + creatures just for a 4-5 maps campaign.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted April 24, 2015 07:10 PM |
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Though highly overpowered – the strongest in the game, supposedly – the Forge units were to be campaign-only inclusions, slow to generate in towns, and costly to recruit. Even some non-7th tier creatures were to cost precious resources.
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orzie
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Supreme Hero
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posted April 24, 2015 07:28 PM |
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Forge was indeed a campaign-only development planned for a specific "proto-DLC" - the addon. It is acceptable this way, and it wouldn't ruin the whole gameplay this way. The Conflux would then be included in SoD as the fully functional 10th castle.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted April 24, 2015 07:30 PM |
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Looking forward to see if this town will ever join HotA.
If people have a problem with Forge they can just disable it, just like Conflux or Necropolis or any other town. Options are good why limit yourself?... Besides this town was already planned by NWC 15 years ago.
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