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posted August 30, 2013 03:57 AM |
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Dude, I don't know what to say to that. I mean, idealistic delusion comes to my mind, but you are in a real relationship, so I guess your girlfriend is too much like you. I don't know if that's a good thing though, is that a twin or a soulmate
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posted August 30, 2013 04:26 AM |
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It's not just my girlfriend. I would've said the same thing before I met her.
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posted August 30, 2013 04:39 AM |
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mvassilev said:
Variations within the population of men and within the population of women are high enough to eclipse the slight average difference between men and women. And even if brains are structured slightly differently between the sexes, they function the same. This isn't hard to discover if you're analytical and are aware of social norms. Much of the difference comes from the fact that men and women are socialized differently, but even that doesn't affect everyone.
This seems more speculation than hard fact. I'm no expert in this area, but I wager dimes to dollars that neurological research has clearly and repeatedly shown very stark differences in the way women think, process information, communicate, emote, and so forth, due to inherent differences in neuro- and other biochemistry. If I find some spare time in the next few days, I will happily scour the PR literature to verify this.
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posted August 30, 2013 04:49 AM |
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@mvass
Well then, even if I skip all the research I've read about the difference between brains of men and women, how in one, left brain is doing this stronger and how in the other right brain is doing that stronger etc etc (they are very forgettable details indeed), sheer life experience makes me think you are freakishly wrong in your observations. It's either that or you want to focus so much on what's common between men and women, because it feels "correct" to you to focus on that, you miss what's different. Not different because of social norm, not different because of prejudice, but what's really different. Once again, you are out of life my dear friend.
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posted August 30, 2013 05:38 AM |
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How do you know that it's "really different", and not because of social norms?
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artu
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posted August 30, 2013 05:44 AM |
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I am a man who can be really close friends with women. Social norms lose their importance when you talk for hours.
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posted August 30, 2013 05:49 AM |
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Well, not just social norms as in how you should act around strangers, but upbringing and such. Girls tend to be raised differently from boys, as I think you know.
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artu
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posted August 30, 2013 05:57 AM |
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Mvass, we have different hormones, different advantages on parts of our brain, these things are quite well documented if you really search. I did some time ago but the details are gone now. Besides, it's 6:55 in the morning here and I really want to sleep. Later...
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posted August 30, 2013 09:23 AM |
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mvassilev said:
I can tell you that I'm in touch with my feelings and know what my emotions are, but if you don't believe that either, there's no point. I can tell you that I know other polyamorous people who just don't get jealous, but you can again say that you don't believe me
I'm starting to believe you don't understand the diference between what you want to be true and what it is about your own feelings.
First, you're girlfriend is more then able to deal with this "problem", why she's doesn't and makes you wonder about it I can only speculate but mostly all human beings are able to reconize when someone close to them is developing an unwanted afection and we are able to say "No".
Second, despise what some theories say about free love, jealousy is an instinct - for instance my female dog often piss my bed when I get laid and, believe me, noone theached her to do that...
Third, I've been in open relations most of my adult life and I often get jealous or felt that one other person is jealous of me. What hapens is that I don't think those feelings are "right" or that I have property rights over an other person's body. Waht I do is try to share this feelings with my friends, make them rational and don't act based on them and myfriends do the same with me.
Fourth, I often find myself jealous of the way my beautiful she dog is able to give her heart to strangers.
I sometimes caugth myself thinking "It's like a punishment from heaven, I said so many times that I want to be free to love anyone I want and that the women that share my heart must feel free to love who they want and then I bought a dog and I was expecting to be her "master" but after six years together her heart is still free to love everybody and she tries to keep me just for herself..." 
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posted August 30, 2013 09:26 AM |
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Perhaps you should educate that bitch 
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posted August 30, 2013 10:31 AM |
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In my personal experiences, I have never seen any differences that could not be attributed to socialization. I've met a lot of different women and a lot of different men.
Man, that's a titanic nonsense. How many "a lot of different women" do you actually know and are you sure that they are straight? The typical woman's way of thinking differs greatly from the typical man's, period. The process is different, the structure is different, the aim is different.
Plus - do your homework, there are major differences on a brain level as well. Men use the left hemisphere much more intensively than the women and the women employ the right hemisphere much more than the men. We are not even talking about all the hormonal, receptive, etc. differences which have a major impact on how one thinks, just about which group of cells is predominantly used.
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posted August 30, 2013 05:17 PM |
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BloodSucker:
My girlfriend is worse than average at detecting when people are interested in her, for several reasons. First, she's been in relationships almost continuously since the age of sixteen, so at the age when most people learn to identify the signs of interest, she didn't have to, because she was already in a relationship. Second, as I mentioned previously, she acts affectionately with her friends in a way that can be mistaken for interest, so when other people act that way towards her, she assumes that they have motivations similar to hers and that it's not out of romantic interest. Third, for most of her life, most of her friends were (and are), for lack of a better phrase, atypical in their behavior. Thus, her experiences with emotional interaction with "normal" people have been limited.
It's not that she can't say "no" when someone is interested in her. That's not the issue. The issue is that people become interested in her, and so she has to say "no" to them, which disappoints them. Obviously she doesn't want to enter into relationships with people in whom she's not interested, but she doesn't want people to be sad, brokenhearted, or disappointed, either. In a previous post, I wrote about how we decided to deal with the issue.
As for jealousy, it's common but not inevitable. See here. Sure, it's an instinct, but some people can get rid of it.
Zenofex:
I never said that women aren't biologically different from men. They are in both obvious and not-so-obvious ways. But despite those differences, they are still naturally functionally the same as men when it comes to thinking and interaction. They're raised differently, which accounts for the difference.
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posted August 30, 2013 08:29 PM |
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I'm finding myself somehow relutant to say this but...
I would recommend your girlfriend to aply to the Humaniversity program "Encounter Training" next year. It's expensive but focused precisely on those issues.
If she aplies we will meet there cause I've an assigment to go for it, too.
See
www.humanivesity.nl
for more precise information
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posted August 31, 2013 01:51 AM |
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mvassilev said:
Zenofex:
I never said that women aren't biologically different from men. They are in both obvious and not-so-obvious ways. But despite those differences, they are still naturally functionally the same as men when it comes to thinking and interaction. They're raised differently, which accounts for the difference.
Unfortunately real scientific research doesn't for the most part seem to agree with you.
Today I did a (very brief) literature search. Nothing focused, really, just a search string like "neurological behavior differences gender", with date restrictions of anything after 2006. Here are 10 of the first hits I got, with abstracts and one or two pertinent quotes. Most of this kind of work these days is done with functional MRI, which can measure specific areas of the brain that become active when people think about certain things. In this way, researchers can easily and accurately compare what parts of the brain different people use when faced with certain emotions, problems, and so forth. When differences are observed, it remains to be answered whether they are due to social conditioning or something biologically innate. Of course this is not necessarily an either-or question, but judging from my admittedly small sample size, the consensus seems to be that most behavioral or measured cognitive differences originate from evolution-derived physiological differences induced by hormones throughout development pre and post birth. Either way, I think you would be hard-pressed to prove that anything rigorously demonstrated to be hormone or physiology related is completely due to environment or "upbringing". I can do a more focused search if there is some more nuanced point you're trying to make, but it seems evident to me that there are differences in cognitive function between the sexes that have more to do than just the way men and women are raised.
I will emphasize certain things in red font to draw your attention.
Study #1:
Sex differences in the adolescent brain
Lenroot and Giedd, Brain and Cognition, 2010, 72(1), 46-55
Abstract: Adolescence is a time of increased divergence between males and females in physical characteristics, behavior, and risk for psychopathology. Here we will review data regarding sex differences in brain structure and function during this period of the lifespan. The most consistent sex difference in brain morphometry is the 9–12% larger brain size that has been reported in males. Individual brain regions that have most consistently been reported as different in males and females include the basal ganglia, hippocampus, and amygdala. Diffusion tensor imaging and magnetization transfer imaging studies have also shown sex differences in white matter development during adolescence. Functional imaging studies have shown different patterns of activation without differences in performance, suggesting male and female brains may use slightly different strategies for achieving similar cognitive abilities. Longitudinal studies have shown sex differences in the trajectory of brain development, with females reaching peak values of brain volumes earlier than males. Although compelling, these sex differences are present as group averages and should not be taken as indicative of relative capacities of males or females.
Some relevant excerpts:
"In humans, differing evolutionary forces have led to group average differences in brain and behavior between men and women."
"We refer to male/female differences in physiology or behavior as “sex differences” as opposed to “gender differences”, considering gender to refer to the social role adapted by the person."
"Sex differences in cognitive ability are modest (McCarthy & Konkle, 2005). Patterns of social interaction typically show much stronger contrast, extending in varying form and degrees of magnitude across species. In general, species having the greatest differences in roles in procreation tend also to have the most marked behavioral differences (McCarthy, 2008). In humans and most other mammalian species, females have typically been characterized as being more sensitive to social cues and stresses, such as perception of rejection. Evolutionarily this has been tied to adaptation of social roles to facilitate bearing offspring and having primary responsibility for care of the very young, including the capacity for attunement needed to foster cognitive and social development of the neonate (Cyranowski, Frank, Young, & Shear, 2000). The relationship of the sex differences in brain development described by the neuroimaging studies above to these functional differences in social behavior is as yet largely unexplored. It is intriguing to speculate that a better understanding of the neurodevelopmental processes underlying sex differences in social cognition may also provide a key to another functional aspect of sex differences during adolescence: the disparity in rates of onset, course, and symptomatology of the common psychiatric disorders whose incidence begins to rise during this time."
Study#2:
Gender differences in brain networks supporting empathy
Schulte-Ruther, et al, NeuroImage, 2008, 42(1) 393-403
Abstract: Females frequently score higher on standard tests of empathy, social sensitivity, and emotion recognition than do males. It remains to be clarified, however, whether these gender differences are associated with gender specific neural mechanisms of emotional social cognition. We investigated gender differences in an emotion attribution task using functional magnetic resonance imaging. Subjects either focused on their own emotional response to emotion expressing faces (SELF-task) or evaluated the emotional state expressed by the faces (OTHER-task). Behaviorally, females rated SELF-related emotions significantly stronger than males. Across the sexes, SELF- and OTHER-related processing of facial expressions activated a network of medial and lateral prefrontal, temporal, and parietal brain regions involved in emotional perspective taking. During SELF-related processing, females recruited the right inferior frontal cortex and superior temporal sulcus stronger than males. In contrast, there was increased neural activity in the left temporoparietal junction in males (relative to females). When performing the OTHER-task, females showed increased activation of the right inferior frontal cortex while there were no differential activations in males. The data suggest that females recruit areas containing mirror neurons to a higher degree than males during both SELF- and OTHER-related processing in empathic face-to-face interactions. This may underlie facilitated emotional “contagion” in females. Together with the observation that males differentially rely on the left temporoparietal junction (an area mediating the distinction between the SELF and OTHERS) the data suggest that females and males rely on different strategies when assessing their own emotions in response to other people.
Study #3:
Multidimensional assessment of empathic abilities: Neural correlates and gender differences
Derntl et al, Psychoneuroendocrinology 2010, 35(1) 67-82
Abstract: Empathy is a multidimensional construct and comprises the ability to perceive, understand and feel the emotional states of others. Gender differences have been reported for various aspects of emotional and cognitive behaviors including theory of mind. However, although empathy is not a single ability but a complex behavioral competency including different components, most studies relied on single aspects of empathy, such as perspective taking or emotion perception. To extend those findings we developed three paradigms to assess all three core components of empathy (emotion recognition, perspective taking and affective responsiveness) and clarify to which extent gender affects the neural correlates of empathic abilities. A functional MRI study was performed with 12 females (6 during their follicular phase, 6 during their luteal phase) and 12 males, measuring these tasks as well as self-report empathy questionnaires.
Data analyses revealed no significant gender differences in behavioral performance, but females rated themselves as more empathic than males in the self-report questionnaires. Analyses of functional data revealed distinct neural networks in females and males, and females showed stronger neural activation across all three empathy tasks in emotion-related areas, including the amygdala. Exploratory analysis of possible hormonal effects indicated stronger amygdala activation in females during their follicular phase supporting previous data suggesting higher social sensitivity and thus facilitated socio-emotional behavior. Hence, our data support the assumption that females and males rely on divergent processing strategies when solving emotional tasks: while females seem to recruit more emotion and self-related regions, males activate more cortical, rather cognitive-related areas.
Study #4:
Gender differences in the cognitive control of emotion: An fMRI study
Kock et al, Neuropsychologia, 2007, 42(12) 2744-54
Abstract: The interaction of emotion and cognition has become a topic of major interest. However, the influence of gender on the interplay between the two processes, along with its neural correlates have not been fully analysed so far.
In this functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) study we induced negative emotion using negative olfactory stimulation while male (n = 21) and female (n = 19) participants performed an n-back verbal working memory task. Based on findings indicating increased emotional reactivity in women, we expected the female participants to exhibit stronger activation in characteristically emotion-associated areas during the interaction of emotional and cognitive processing in comparison to the male participants.
Both groups were found to be significantly impaired in their working memory performance by negative emotion induction. However, fMRI analysis revealed distinct differences in neuronal activation between groups. In men, cognitive performance under negative emotion induction was associated with extended activation patterns in mainly prefrontal and superior parietal regions. In women, the interaction between emotion and working memory yielded a significantly stronger response in the amygdala and the orbitofrontal cortex (OFC) compared to their male counterparts.
Our data suggest that in women the interaction of verbal working memory and negative emotion is associated with relative hyperactivation in more emotion-associated areas whereas in men regions commonly regarded as important for cognition and cognitive control are activated. These results provide new insights in gender-specific cerebral mechanisms.
Study #5:
Gender Differences in Emotion Regulation: An fMRI Study of Cognitive Reappraisal
McRae et al. Group Processes and Intergroup Relations. 2008 11(2) 143-162
Abstract: Using functional magnetic resonance imaging, we asked male and female participants to use a cognitive emotion regulation strategy (reappraisal) to down-regulate their emotional responses to negatively valenced pictures. Behaviorally, men and women evidenced comparable decreases in negative emotion experience. Neurally, however, gender differences emerged. Compared with women, men showed (a) lesser increases in prefrontal regions that are associated with reappraisal, (b) greater decreases in the amygdala, which is associated with emotional responding, and (c) lesser engagement of ventral striatal regions, which are associated with reward processing. We consider two non-competing explanations for these differences. First, men may expend less effort when using cognitive regulation, perhaps due to greater use of automatic emotion regulation. Second, women may use positive emotions in the service of reappraising negative emotions to a greater degree. We then consider the implications of gender differences in emotion regulation for understanding gender differences in emotional processing in general, and gender differences in affective disorders.
Study #6:
Sex-related variation in human behavior and the brain
Melissa Hine, Trends in Cognitive Sciences, Volume 14, Issue 10, October 2010, Pages 448–456
Astract: Male and female fetuses differ in testosterone concentrations beginning as early as week 8 of gestation. This early hormone difference exerts permanent influences on brain development and behavior. Contemporary research shows that hormones are particularly important for the development of sex-typical childhood behavior, including toy choices, which until recently were thought to result solely from sociocultural influences. Prenatal testosterone exposure also appears to influence sexual orientation and gender identity, as well as some, but not all, sex-related cognitive, motor and personality characteristics. Neural mechanisms responsible for these hormone-induced behavioral outcomes are beginning to be identified, and current evidence suggests involvement of the hypothalamus and amygdala, as well as interhemispheric connectivity, and cortical areas involved in visual processing.
Study #7:
Why sex matters for neuroscience
Larry Cahill, Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 2006, doi:10.1038/nrn1909
Abstract: A rapidly burgeoning literature documents copious sex influences on brain anatomy, chemistry and function. This article highlights some of the more intriguing recent discoveries and their implications. Consideration of the effects of sex can help to explain seemingly contradictory findings. Research into sex influences is mandatory to fully understand a host of brain disorders with sex differences in their incidence and/or nature. The striking quantity and diversity of sex-related influences on brain function indicate that the still widespread assumption that sex influences are negligible cannot be justified, and probably retards progress in our field.
Some relevant excerpts:
"A third, also related, misconception [about sex differences in the brain] holds that the differences within a sex are much more substantial than those between the sexes, the implication being that sex influences can therefore be dismissed as trivial."
"A fourth widespread misconception is that all sex differences, once established, can be completely explained by the action of sex hormones, typically oestrogen. The unstated assumption underlying this view is that male and female brains are identical except for fluctuating (and unnecessarily complicating) sex hormone influences. Sex hormones are crucial for many sex differences, but, equally, cannot explain all observed sex differences."
Study #8: (this one is older, from a preliminary search)
Cognitive pattern in men and women is influenced by fluctuation in sex hormones
Kimura and Hampson, Current Directions in Psychological science, 1994, 57
Sex hormones (e.g., testosterone and its metabolites, dihydrotestosterone and estradiol) are known to influence the organization of the mammalian brain during critical periods in development, before or just after birth, and can permanently alter an animal's propensity to engage in many sexually dimorphic behaviors. In adulthood, sex hormones continue to activate certain neural circuits and their consequent behaviors. For example, in many species, female sexual activity is facilitated by high levels of ovarian hormones during the fertile phase of the cycle, and male sexual behavior is enhanced by high levels of testosterone. There is evidence that these hormonal influences may also extend to problem solving abilities. In rodents, for example, the sex difference favoring males on spatial mazes is increased or found only in the breeding seasons. Variations in complex motor behaviors have been found across the estrous cycle in female rodens. Such findings in other species suggest that there may be variations in cognitive or motor functions in humans as well, as hormone levels fluctuate.
Study #9:
Gender differences in financial risk aversion and career choices are affected by testosterone
Paola Sapienzaa, Luigi Zingalesb and Dario Maestripieric, PNAS, 2009 106 (36) 15268
Women are generally more risk averse than men. We investigated whether between- and within-gender variation in financial risk aversion was accounted for by variation in salivary concentrations of testosterone and in markers of prenatal testosterone exposure in a sample of >500 MBA students. Higher levels of circulating testosterone were associated with lower risk aversion among women, but not among men. At comparably low concentrations of salivary testosterone, however, the gender difference in risk aversion disappeared, suggesting that testosterone has nonlinear effects on risk aversion regardless of gender. A similar relationship between risk aversion and testosterone was also found using markers of prenatal testosterone exposure. Finally, both testosterone levels and risk aversion predicted career choices after graduation: Individuals high in testosterone and low in risk aversion were more likely to choose risky careers in finance. These results suggest that testosterone has both organizational and activational effects on risk-sensitive financial decisions and long-term career choices.
Study #10:
Gender difference in neural response to psychological stress
Wang et al, Social Cognitive and Affective Neurosci, 2007 2(3) 227-239
Gender is an important biological determinant of vulnerability to psychosocial stress. We used perfusion based functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to measure cerebral blood flow (CBF) responses to mild to moderate stress in 32 healthy people (16 males and 16 females). Psychological stress was elicited using mental arithmetic tasks under varying pressure. Stress in men was associated with CBF increase in the right prefrontal cortex (RPFC) and CBF reduction in the left orbitofrontal cortex (LOrF), a robust response that persisted beyond the stress task period. In contrast, stress in women primarily activated the limbic system, including the ventral striatum, putamen, insula and cingulate cortex. The asymmetric prefrontal activity in males was associated with a physiological index of stress responses—salivary cortisol, whereas the female limbic activation showed a lower degree of correlations with cortisol. Conjunction analyses indicated only a small degree of overlap between the stress networks in men and women at the threshold level of P < 0.01. Increased overlap of stress networks between the two genders was revealed when the threshold for conjunction analyses was relaxed to P < 0.05. Further, machine classification was used to differentiate the central stress responses between the two genders with over 94% accuracy. Our study may represent an initial step in uncovering the neurobiological basis underlying the contrasting health consequences of psychosocial stress in men and women.
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posted August 31, 2013 02:54 AM |
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Those are some interesting studies, thanks for taking the time to read them. They don't really contradict what I said, though. Perhaps I should elaborate. As these studies show, there are biological differences between men and women, but that doesn't mean they result in behavioral differences. For an analogy, consider a computer program that outputs "1 2 3 4". I compile two versions of it, one for, say, a supercomputer of some kind and one for my PC, then execute both of them. If you were to examine what each computer was doing while they were executing the program, you would see that they were doing different things, due to differences in architecture. If you looked at the output, you would find it to be exactly the same. Similarly, men and women can follow different cognitive processes and still have the same "output".
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posted August 31, 2013 03:07 AM |
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Mvass, you are unbelievable. What you read does not say that, it says the output differs also. besides human interaction and relationships are not just about the output, they are also about how you reach to that output. Just because you want to take "not being sexist" to an idealisticly extreme level which is utopic, men and women don't become the same. You sometimes become as blind as young earth creationists in your convictions.
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posted August 31, 2013 03:33 AM |
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I cannot claim to have read them all. Mostly just abstracts and some skimming here and there. Generally this isn't the greatest way to evaluate a body of literature, because I often find myself arriving at different conclusions than the authors do once I start reading the details.
In any case, I don't agree 100% with your assessment of the literature (or the segment of the literature I copied here). In some of the cases authors found that the behavioral output was the same for the two genders, and only the means by which that output was decided upon was different. In other cases, the outputs are very different. Such as the one which shows women are more risk adverse than men - that's a behavioral output manifested by biochemical differences in the brain. Stress susceptibility, is another. The Cahill review says point blank that sex differences impact function. The Hine review states "Prenatal testosterone exposure also appears to influence sexual orientation and gender identity, as well as some, but not all, sex-related cognitive, motor and personality characteristics", and many of those are behavioral outputs. Besides which, it stands to reason that if something causes people to think differently, at some level it must cause them to act differently.
Just so it's clear, I'm not out to "beat" you here or prove you wrong. As I've already stated, I'm not an expert in the area and am interested in learning more about what the science says. This gave me a good excuse. I have my preconceptions, of course. Right or wrong, I tend to have a very biology-centered view of human behavior, and little in the literature so far has done much to divest me of this outlook on human nature. Some of biology is environmental, of course, but most of it tends to be genetic. In the end I tend to believe that humans have far less free will than they think they do, and the cocktail of chemicals that swirl around our brain are the hands that hold the marionette strings. All based on laws of averages, of course, because biology, like everything else chemical, is ultimately a slave to thermodynamics. But still, differences in chemicals = differences in thoughts, beliefs, actions in the long run, and women and men are if anything different bags of chemicals. As all the research shows...
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posted August 31, 2013 04:29 AM |
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There are some biological differences between men and women. There are some behavioral differences between men and women, although the variance in behavior within sexes is so great that it eclipses the difference between sexes - this is something that's obvious simply from interacting with men and women. What's not established is that the biological differences cause the behavioral differences, especially since there is such a significant difference between how boys and girls are raised, treated socially, etc. I don't draw the same conclusions that Corribus does from those studies.
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posted September 06, 2013 02:21 PM |
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So, uh, we're in the same class and she's so funny and cute and just so damn adowabwe! :3
She thinks I'm witty and smart in general, so I'm guessing that the odds are in my favor. Right?
And, yeah, she's single.
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posted September 06, 2013 02:48 PM |
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In regard to the week old discussion, I saw this advertisement/scam on the web, which started by saying something along the lines of "I'm a man, therefore I know how men thinks", which emphasized the ridiculous when someone talks about what or how any given gender thinks.
We're all different people, and I for one have never been very similar to class mates of my own gender (or opposite for that matter). If someone were to put me in the same "box" as them, only inaccuracy could come out of it. The same is obviously true for any group of people only grouped together by very few identical variables.
The real question is not "what women thinks", but "what the women (person in general) you're (currently) interested in thinks". We all have our own ideas and requirements, don't make the mistake to impose those on other people, because, in my opinion, that's removing the individual from the person.
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