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LizardWarrior
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posted August 04, 2014 08:43 PM |
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Storm-Giant
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posted August 04, 2014 08:47 PM |
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Real life doesn't have flying Dragons either 
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LizardWarrior
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posted August 04, 2014 08:48 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Real life doesn't have flying Dragons either
Wrong, it doesn't breathe fire tough
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Stevie
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posted August 04, 2014 09:08 PM |
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Dragons and dragon blood crystals from M&M are another thing from what is actually meant in real life with those words.
What if dragon blood crystals are in fact another type of resources mainly used for magic purposes? Like learning and casting spells with them instead of mana?
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War-overlord
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posted August 04, 2014 09:19 PM |
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Stevie said:
Dragons and dragon blood crystals from M&M are another thing from what is actually meant in real life with those words.
What if dragon blood crystals are in fact another type of resources mainly used for magic purposes? Like learning and casting spells with them instead of mana?
More fixing things that don't need fixing. Yeah, we got good experience with that.
Learning I could live with, I think. But replacing mana, nope way.
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posted August 04, 2014 11:11 PM |
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I have to agree with WO here, changing things that don't need fixing can be dicey. We have past experiences...
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VOKIALBG
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posted August 21, 2014 03:50 PM |
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I - What do you think about the idea of Dragon Gods as presented with Ashan?
Pretty lame.
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AnkVaati
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posted August 21, 2014 11:29 PM |
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VOKIALBG said:
I - What do you think about the idea of Dragon Gods as presented with Ashan?
Pretty lame.
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Many popular fantasy games have quite grand religious lore. Elder Scrolls, Forgotten realms - even Warcraft is pretty okay compared to this. Basing the lore on such a ridiculously inflated idea as various type of [colour] dragons is not a way to make it interesting. Especially not when it's basically Magic the Gathering with a Zoroastrian cosmology.
But if we’re forced to stick with this, I ask the developers to try to be creative and create an entirely new faction for Ylath/the Free Cities. Instead of massacring the heritage of the traditional towns of the Heroes sequel with overused stereotypes, perhaps they could try to come up with something of their own imagination.
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Raelag84
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posted September 02, 2014 04:01 AM |
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One thing I always wondered about is the constant theme of nations splitting in Ashan.
The world starts out with the demons and the Shantari(sp?) empire. The Shantari empire splits into nations founded by the elder races. The wizards split from the humans. Then when the falcon empire converts to Elrath the free cities split from it, oh and by the way the falcon empire is not very united anyways.
Then the dark elves split from the wood elves, which then splits into clans, the necromancers split off from the wizards, and finally the Naga empire falls into civil war (the details of which I would love to know more about).
The only people to know any kind of increasing unity are the demons, which is ironic considering they are agents of chaos.
Is this splitting just to ensure that we have nine factions to use, or is it meant to strike a deeper cord in people?
What does it mean to you guys?
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War-overlord
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posted September 02, 2014 10:32 AM |
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Raelag84 said:
Then the dark elves split from the wood elves, which then splits into clans
The Wood Elves are also split into clans, castes and smaller kingdoms. The difference between the Wood and Dark Elves is that the Wood Elves have a High King above the Clans and Kingdoms to set law for the lesser entities.
Raelag84 said:
Is this splitting just to ensure that we have nine factions to use, or is it meant to strike a deeper cord in people?
What does it mean to you guys?
It seems to me that someone at Ubisoft, maybes even Erwan, paid attention during historylesson in school.
Central Government is a post Napoleonic thing. Though many kingdoms and empires make attempts at such during the Early Modern Ages. Before that, even the largest Empires are split up into small regional entities that were governed with relative autonomy. The King, Emperor, Pope or whatever set broad guidelines in the form of law and appointed governors and noblemen to rule these regional entities in their stead.
Plus, due to the then rules of inheritance, regional entities kept getting smaller and smaller, because all kids inherited. The idea that only the eldest son inherits land and titles is something of the very late middle ages, when lands became to small to divide further and live of them. And even then it was something that spread slowly. So in ye olden days, large geographical entities crumbling appart was something very normal over the course of history. The gaining of land only happened in 3 way, by marrying two people who both have land, to defeat other landowners and take their land, or to settle previously unsettled land.
But perhaps as a historian, I am tempted to see things that are not there.
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Raelag84
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posted September 02, 2014 09:26 PM |
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Edited by Raelag84 at 21:28, 02 Sep 2014.
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War-overlord said:
...It seems to me that someone at Ubisoft, maybes even Erwan, paid attention during historylesson in school...
...But perhaps as a historian, I am tempted to see things that are not there.
Asha seems to be something a little different. Something a little more disturbing.
In real life the overall arc of history seems to move to greater unity even if there are interluding periods of disunity. Even dark age Europe was more united than paleolithic Europe, when its residence were divided into hunter gather bands, but Asha works differently. Asha starts with a world government and then degenerates to feudalism and greater disunity.
At the rate it's going, Asha will be in the stone age by 2000 YSD. Meanwhile, the way demon land is going, it will probably be a centralized democracy by that time. Or it will be a Brave New World dystopia where Ka-beleth grows all the demons in test tubes so he can determine every aspect of their lives.
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War-overlord
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posted September 02, 2014 09:57 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
Asha starts with a world government and then degenerates to feudalism and greater disunity.
Well, that is basically what the worldview was in Medieval Europe.
Man started united under the rule of God. After the "great flood", Mankind broke appart into large Empires, which fell appart into smaller and smaller ones. With the Roman Empire being the last true empire, before the apocalypse and the second coming of Christ, which would usher in the Second Empire under God.
This is the world view based upon the biblical passage where the Prophet Daniel explains the dream of Nebucharnezzar II, which fortells the history of the world.
The idea that history is an upward process towards greater unity is an idea that became well after the Middle Ages. In the Middle Ages, people learned enough to consider such thing saw history as a downward process towards greater disunity, sin and despair, untill it would all end in the apocalypse.
So the history of Ashan shows great paralels with the Medieval view of the history of mankind. With the great exception that the apocalypse actually happens(?) on Ashan with the coming of the Dark Messiah.
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Raelag84
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posted September 02, 2014 10:45 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Raelag84 said:
Asha starts with a world government and then degenerates to feudalism and greater disunity.
Well, that is basically what the worldview was in Medieval Europe.
Man started united under the rule of God. After the "great flood", Mankind broke appart into large Empires, which fell appart into smaller and smaller ones. With the Roman Empire being the last true empire, before the apocalypse and the second coming of Christ, which would usher in the Second Empire under God.
This is the world view based upon the biblical passage where the Prophet Daniel explains the dream of Nebucharnezzar II, which fortells the history of the world.
The idea that history is an upward process towards greater unity is an idea that became well after the Middle Ages. In the Middle Ages, people learned enough to consider such thing saw history as a downward process towards greater disunity, sin and despair, untill it would all end in the apocalypse.
So the history of Ashan shows great paralels with the Medieval view of the history of mankind. With the great exception that the apocalypse actually happens(?) on Ashan with the coming of the Dark Messiah.
Wow. It never occurred to me to look at Ashan from the religious perspective of someone who actually lived in the dark ages, but now that I try to do so it makes more sense. Thank you.
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posted September 02, 2014 10:52 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
Wow. It never occurred to me to look at Ashan from the religious perspective of someone who actually lived in the dark ages, but now that I try to do so it makes more sense. Thank you.
My pleasure. However, as I said before. I look at this as a historian. The fact that I see paralels, does not mean they were put there intentionally.
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posted September 03, 2014 12:17 AM |
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War-overlord said:
Raelag84 said:
Wow. It never occurred to me to look at Ashan from the religious perspective of someone who actually lived in the dark ages, but now that I try to do so it makes more sense. Thank you.
My pleasure. However, as I said before. I look at this as a historian. The fact that I see paralels, does not mean they were put there intentionally.
Yes well...I looked at it as a historian too. Just not one who specializes in medieval history I guess.
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