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Storm-Giant
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posted July 12, 2014 02:21 PM |
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JeremiahEmo said:
There you go. Men were forced to fight even though they didn't have a say on who should run their government. And so the government gave them the rights to vote. Yes, they earned that with their lives. Women got their rights to vote without their fair share of shedding blood.
You are saying that women shouldn't have rights because they didn't die in wars?
This is so wrong in so many levels 
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posted July 12, 2014 02:35 PM |
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I think it's important to remember that men have also faced (and are facing) oppression based on their gender, though not nearly on the scale of what women have suffered. Conscription is a great ezample of that, where men are made into slaves to die in combat for their overlord.
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posted July 12, 2014 02:53 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 14:53, 12 Jul 2014.
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i think men and women suffered in different ways, j-mo. but still, another good point. i'm starting to get a better feel for you, the more you expound on your thoughts on feminism. you don't seem that sexist anymore.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted July 12, 2014 02:57 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
JeremiahEmo said:
There you go. Men were forced to fight even though they didn't have a say on who should run their government. And so the government gave them the rights to vote. Yes, they earned that with their lives. Women got their rights to vote without their fair share of shedding blood.
You are saying that women shouldn't have rights because they didn't die in wars?
This is so wrong in so many levels
you obviously didn't read this post
JeremiahEmo said:
Now, I'm all for both sexes having the rights to vote but to say that women had have fewer rights especially in the terms of voting is a complete myth. Well, they've had technically but it's not as bad as you think it is.
and sigh, Xerox saying "men faced oppression but not nearly worst than women" without providing an argument or even disproving my previous arguments. Does this make him/her a troll?
Come on guys, read my previous posts. I really put my heart into it. 
fred79 said:
i think men and women suffered in different ways, j-mo. but still, another good point. i'm starting to get a better feel for you, the more you expound on your thoughts on feminism. you don't seem that sexist anymore.
Every "misogynist" just needs a little explanation. LoL. 
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posted July 12, 2014 09:25 PM |
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Jeremiah, why do you think there's a connection between men fighting and men voting? As your quote says, by the Civil War, most white men could vote without having to own property. Poor white men in the US never fought a war to have the right to vote, it was just granted to them, same as it was later granted to women and minorities.
For women being able to own property, see [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Married_Women's_Property_Acts_in_the_United_States]here[/url].Quote:
Fair enough but this wasn't as bad as you think it is. The father or husband were also responsible for the welfare of his daughter/wife.
That's a recipe for abuse, and rather than not as bad as I think it is, it's worse than I can imagine.Quote:
I don't consider it a bad thing since I'd rather live an easy-going lifestyle but that's just me.
Being quiet and submissive has absolutely nothing to do with living an easy-going lifestyle. It means you're punished for expressing your preferences, people get to impose their preferences upon you, when you object people think much less of you, etc.Quote:
If so, then it's not exclusively a woman thing. For instance, Caste System.
Two wrongs don't make a right - and while it was done to both sexes to some degree, it was much worse when it was done to women, because men had higher-paying and more respectable jobs.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted July 13, 2014 04:34 AM |
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mvassilev said:
~Draft and Voting~
Wait, poor white men were not drafted? Where did you get that? Give me some citations please. And I used the Civil War because that was the first instance wherein men were drafted.
And I'm sorry if I didn't make my point clear. Let me explain it as clear as I can possibly could:
Before the draft, NOT everyone can vote. Only the ones that owned property can vote. Women can vote too as said in the wikipedia article I've given you. The only requirement is that they own property (just like men).
When the men were drafted, and you know, being drafted is against your own will and that you are risking your life for your country for it. It would be unfair if you die for your country and not have a say on who will run it right? So that's why the government extended the vote to most white man.
And that is why I said MEN PAID THEIR RIGHTS TO VOTE WITH BLOOD while women got their rights to vote because it was handed to them in a silver platter. Not really oppressed now is it?
Again, I'm all for both sexes having the rights to vote especially in this era where both sexes are contributing to our country economically. But to undermine what men has gone through in history and make women look like the victims (even if it's not true at all) is like lying to what really happened.
Also, there might be some men who didn't shed blood to earn their rights to vote. The point is that it's a man thing. More than a sufficient number of men experienced this. And yes, the draft is exclusively a male problem. You get my point?
~Women Not Owning Properties~
Ok, so MARRIED women were not allowed to own properties. That doesn't mean it's all women like you said.
Basically, back in the days, there are pros and cons to every decision. This includes, if you're a woman and you want to get married and lose the rights to own properties or you don't get married and own a property. See, you can't eat a cake expect it to still be there. You get my analogy? It's not like the draft wherein you have no choice at all.
Is it unfair? Maybe for women, if you look at it individually. If you look at history as a whole, everyone had s.hitty life back then. And I highly DO NOT believe women had it worst. It's not an opinion actually, it's a clear cut fact. At least, for someone who's not power hungry.
~Father/Husband Taking Care of Daughter/Wife~
Arguing this is really difficult since we have no statistics about how much of the daughters and wives were abused by their husbands and fathers but I tell you this.
Chivalry is a popular thing in the middle ages. Up until now too. That alone proves that society encourages men to be nice to their "property" (as you call it). Plus there was a law imposed by Teddy Roosevelt to punish men who abused their wives.
~Quiet and Submissive~
Of course, being quiet and submissive doesn't guarantee an easy-going lifestyle. But, I'd rather have that over men's societal expectations because it takes the pressure off of people like me who don't want to be firm and aggressive. Hey, personal preference.
You see my point? I just proved your point about "it punishes expressing preference" wrong. Well, it is correct technically but the point of this argument is if it's a woman problem or not. And I just proved that it's not.
~Women Discouraged to Get Manly Jobs~
Yes, I agree. Two wrong things doesn't make it right. But the point of this argument is if it's a problem exclusively for women. Let me just remind you that.
Higher paying and respectable jobs? The most high paying and respectable job I know in the middle ages and the classical age was being in the battlefield. I highly doubt women wants to be in the battlefield. Now there are a few exceptions such as Joan of Arc and Boudicca (and the stereotyping didn't stop them) but majority of the women doesn't want that.
Post-Renaissance. Hmmm... I think you mean the ones that require extensive physical labor here?? If so, I highly doubt women wants those types of jobs. Again, it's based on choice. Elaborate further if you want to continue this part of the discussion.
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posted July 13, 2014 10:18 AM |
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Just when you think something can't possibly become more foolish as it already is ...
Just read a sign in front of a ladies's lavatory:
Two rules:
1) Men are more intelligent than women
2) The Earth is flat
They have a point there, haven't they?
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posted July 13, 2014 10:28 AM |
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This is going way offtopic. If you want to keep this discussion please move the points you have made to an osm thread. This one will be cleaned in the next couple of days.
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posted July 16, 2014 04:55 PM |
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OP is a troll. Don't feed it.
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posted July 17, 2014 12:17 PM |
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posted July 21, 2014 10:49 PM |
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Since troll-naming have never in the history of the web been known to spur constructive discussion, I think this thread has run its course by now.
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