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posted June 30, 2016 10:47 AM |
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Minion said:
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In the video all this? No. What I care about what he tweeted last sunday or what he says about Kennedy?
But we know Hillary campaign money is coming from Saudis. This leaves you indifferent? The guys who planned the 11 of September now support financially the next president and this is okay for you?
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posted June 30, 2016 10:52 AM |
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I have to say, that I don't understand that video AT ALL - suddenly Republicans are worried about the rights of GAY people which are threatened because Hillary Clinton doesn't understand the threat that radical Islam poses to them?
This is not their point, but what you desperately conclude to hold your ground ideology. Their point is that Saudis are financing Hilary, while in Saudis laws being gay is death punishable. So supporting gays rights while your money comes from gays assassins is the point.
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posted June 30, 2016 10:54 AM |
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The "alliance" between US government(s) and Saudis is nothing new nor secret. They have oil, they cooperate, so the US looks away when it comes to their Wahhabi madness.
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posted June 30, 2016 10:56 AM |
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I think one thing is opportunist alliances, which breed mostly from energetic needs, and another thing is to accept your campaign being financed by. Once you get the money, your critical position is sealed.
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posted June 30, 2016 10:56 AM |
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While a more direct democracy is certainly possible in the time of the internet, referendums would also a bad mistake, and for a whole host of reasons, I'm not inclined to list all.
I'm not sure whether there is a solution and wouldn't dare to suggest one - that's just something you can't just solve with a few words, a half-arsed idea or a snip of the fingers.
For boycotts - every move to somehow shortcircuit the system must fail because the system is a facade anyway: you can only shortcut the front, and if you ask any person, they will tell you all, that politicians are all corrupt and crooks - anyone KNOWS, the system is f*cked-up, but that's true for a lot of things, and it's not difficult to see that things have been worse.
I don't have any better idea than to demand the same what current teachers demand from the current generation of pupils: if you cheat, at least put some effort into trying to not get caught - in other words: make it less obvious, for frag's sake!
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posted June 30, 2016 11:01 AM |
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
I have to say, that I don't understand that video AT ALL - suddenly Republicans are worried about the rights of GAY people which are threatened because Hillary Clinton doesn't understand the threat that radical Islam poses to them?
This is not their point, but what you desperately conclude to hold your ground ideology. Their point is that Saudis are financing Hilary, while in Saudis laws being gay is death punishable. So supporting gays rights while your money comes from gays assassins is the point.
It IS their point, because they explicitely say it at one point.
As if anyone would be interested in GAYS, of all things - the Bush family has had way more and way bigger ties with with the Saudis and Kuwaitis and waged two wars on their behalf, so that is nothing new.
Also, "radical islam" has something egainst women, and last time I ckecked Hillary is one, which is as good as being a lesbian.
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posted June 30, 2016 11:04 AM |
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Well this is exactly what puzzles me. In Europe a candidate being financed by some foreign government, not even talking about Saudis in particular, wouldn't make 1% of votes, no matter his charisma or program.
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posted June 30, 2016 11:13 AM |
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Look, if they offer you to choose between Hitler and Mussolini, the right choice is not to go with Mussolini because he's "less evil" according to some extremely vague criteria but to say "**** them both", give me better candidates. Representative democracy is just another form lobbyist oligarchy, that much is true, however big masses still have the power demand acceptable representatives without resorting to violence - the system permits it.
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posted June 30, 2016 11:23 AM |
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Salamandre said:
But we know Hillary campaign money is coming from Saudis. This leaves you indifferent? The guys who planned the 11 of September now support financially the next president and this is okay for you?
Clinton Presidential campaign money or the Clinton Foundation, a charity that fights AIDS and poverty?
Edit: The Clinton Foundation, a nonprofit established by Bill Clinton to implement development programs in third-world countries, has received donations from countries including Saudi Arabia. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the foundation between the time the foundation was created through 2014, according to Politifact, though it stopped giving when she was secretary of State.
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posted June 30, 2016 11:40 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Well this is exactly what puzzles me. In Europe a candidate being financed by some foreign government, not even talking about Saudis in particular, wouldn't make 1% of votes, no matter his charisma or program.
How would you know, in the age of globalism and multi-national corporations and trusts, where exactly money comes from?
Also, in Germany, campaigns (not parties) are funded with taxes.
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posted June 30, 2016 11:45 AM |
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lol, like it makes any difference when it comes from Saudis, where 20% of population lives is crippling poverty. And then they suddenly donate to Clinton charity foundation. Let's be serious.
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posted June 30, 2016 11:52 AM |
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Zenofex said:
Look, if they offer you to choose between Hitler and Mussolini, the right choice is not to go with Mussolini because he's "less evil" according to some extremely vague criteria but to say "**** them both", give me better candidates. Representative democracy is just another form lobbyist oligarchy, that much is true, however big masses still have the power demand acceptable representatives without resorting to violence - the system permits it.
I will answer by quoting something that MAD Magazine would often answer their fake letters from readers with. "You can demand it, but whether you'll get it is a totally different matter."
Or, in other words - why bother?
I mean, in the end everyone faces a decision: you can actively take part and try to shape things or you stand by and be content with what you are offered.
I mean, it's not like there would only be two parties in the US. There are FIVE major and a whole host of minor parties, and there are actually FOUR presidential candidates, not two: HC and DD plus Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green (probably) Jill Stein. There ARE easy alternatives. Faced with those, I had no problem to put my mark under Jill Stein which is a totally acceptable candidate and a better vote than not voring at all or thinking about "wasted votes". With the Libertarians bound to get Drumpf votes, people (who mind) would have all the more reason to forget the Hillary-or-Drumpf dilemma and say f*ck them, I go for the best candidate, period.
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posted June 30, 2016 11:53 AM |
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Can't we just declare US a dictatorship and be done with this mumbo jumbo already?
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posted June 30, 2016 12:06 PM |
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So she is directing money from the charity into her presidential campaign?  Either it is that or her CAMPAIGN is not financed by Saudis, which you repeatedly claimed. So lets stick to the facts shall we.
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posted June 30, 2016 12:22 PM |
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94% of the contributions to Hillary comes from Lobbyists and it is a known fact she has sold her soul to them.
So, why care about it?
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posted June 30, 2016 12:41 PM |
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OMG 
Good thing for Donald Trump that he isn't running for office in Europe.
Just 9% of Europeans surveyed have confidence in the presumptive Republican nominee to do the right thing in world affairs, according to a new Pew Research Center poll Wednesday.
9%!  I have never seen such abysmal numbers. Oh dear lord i want him to be asked about it. He loves his polls!
Hillary Clinton, earned much more positive marks among Europeans, with 59% saying they have confidence in the former secretary of state.
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posted June 30, 2016 12:41 PM |
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And what do you think Donald gets his money from? He's only LOANED himself the campaign money, he can - and will - pay himself back with campaign funds - and he gets "donations".
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posted June 30, 2016 12:52 PM |
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All I think and hope for now, is for the one candidate who will spark the crash to win so, that the economy crashes before it is too late.
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posted June 30, 2016 12:57 PM |
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Minion said:
Just 9% of Europeans surveyed have confidence
of course they don't, we get brain washed hourly on that matter, major medias, TV, radio, all play in chorus thing "trump is bad, Hilary is good". Like we got about Brexit and about all major social conflicts.
Hell, I wouldn't vote neither for one or another, but when leftist islamo-liberal media -who supported and has its major role into Europe's destruction during all this time, keeps focusing on bashing someone based on character traits, my sympathy toward that person raises 500%.
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posted June 30, 2016 12:58 PM |
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Time for that Einstein quote again.
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